Fastbird

iTrader: (5)

I have read a lot of the posts on here lately and people are asking about a complete turbo kit. I know one company that is in the works of perfecting it as we speak. The company is out of Australia and currently makes twin turno kits for the LS1 cars. Cartek in Garwood, NJ reported that the kit should be available soon.

Fastbird

iTrader: (5)

Oh and the price is not out yet, but the twin turbo LS1 kit is complete and installed for $5000 even.

vortech305

No offense fastbird, but no one give a damn about ls1's thats why this board is called third generation. Good effort though.

GMI FAST

vortech305: Don't be so quick to criticize, you made a fool out of yourself! He said the company is perfecting one now, and CURRENTLY makes an LS1 kit. He probably showed the pricing to give a possible price range for an L98 kit, which could be around $5000. He was just trying to offer some info. He is referring to Incon Systems, who has been rumored to be making an L98 kit.

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Old: 1989 Formula, 383", DFI, built 700R4, TFS heads, Mini-Ram, Vortech S-trim 15 psi, 3.70 gears
Best ET: 10.796 @ 125.8 mph

New: 1989 T/A, 400" CNC Bow-Tie Tall-Deck, Accel Pro-Ram, DFI, AFR heads, HRC T76 Turbo, NOS 150-hp dry kit, TH400 w/GV overdrive, 12-bolt w/3.70 gears, 8-pt. S&W rollbar, Spohn suspension, 18" wheels, Baer brakes
Best ET: Spring 2001

Employed at:
Hahn Racecraft
Accel EMIC/DFI Tuning
Turbosystems & Custom EFI

Member of Midwest F-Body Association www.mfba.org

Kevin G

Good info Fastbird!! Glad to see such a kit in the works.. And for Vortech 305, I give a damn about what else this company makes and comparative priceing of it.

vortech305

wow i feel like an assho#$.
MY apologies.

theformula

It will be interesting to see the gains a turbo system has on a thirdgen (stock bottom).Fastbird, where can I find additional info?

I personally believe, the L98/LB9 is the engine to use for power adders, VS the LT1 or LS1 (when using stock bottom ends).
Less compression....more boooooooooooooosttt

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91 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN93, SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March pulleys, Crane AFPR(43psi),Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL, Holley 9mm wires, fastchip, Bosch O2sensor, Bosch in-line pump(w/stock pump), SLP headers & catback,short shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

askulte

It'll be interesting to see the dyno numbers (once I get off my butt, and out into the snow cold to work on the Z28tt) It's got a stock bottom end, heads, cam, etc. The only major breathing changes are the Super Ram intake and base, 52mm throttlebody, and of course the turbos. The one day we got decent runs (new street twin clutch), I ran 13.4@114. This was with a very rich and conservative timing daily driver program in the DFI (forgot to bring a laptop down to d/l the track program) and short shifting 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears around 3500 rpms. (1/8th mi was 9.0@86 without traction). I borrowed some drag radials, but snapped the axle on the 1st launch. It'll be interesting with traction! The next time I hit the track, it'll be with a 9" rear with 4.11's (compared to the 3.08's in there now) and the intercooler.

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Andris Skulte
Skulte Performance Designs
Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo
http://www.skulte.com

Zac's92

That thing sounds like it's going to be a beast. Please post your results

Zac Spalding

theformula

Do you have electronic boost control?
My uncle has one on his stage 5 300zx. He adjusts boost from his seat. It looks like a fancy stereo face..even more reasons to run a turbo setup..

GMI FAST

I run an electronic boost controller. Just one of the many benefits of working with Japanese cars ALL day... I also have many other "jap car" components, including: wastegate, turbo timer, boost control steering wheel remote button, oil evacuation container, oil cooler, blow-off valve, and spark plugs - all meant for turbo "jap cars".

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Old: 1989 Formula, 383", DFI, built 700R4, TFS heads, Mini-Ram, Vortech S-trim 15 psi, 3.70 gears
Best ET: 10.796 @ 125.8 mph

New: 1989 T/A, 400" CNC Bow-Tie Tall-Deck, Accel Pro-Ram, DFI, AFR heads, HRC T76 Turbo, NOS 150-hp dry kit, TH400 w/GV overdrive, 12-bolt w/3.70 gears, 8-pt. S&W rollbar, Spohn suspension, 18" wheels, Baer brakes
Best ET: Spring 2001

Employed at:
Hahn Racecraft
Accel EMIC/DFI Tuning
Turbosystems & Custom EFI

Member of Midwest F-Body Association www.mfba.org

Blockhead

vortech305 you have done nothing but make a fool out of yourself and criticize others since you started coming here!

You are an idiot. Go away.

cool beans on the turbo kit!! Cant wait to see this.

91Bird305

5000 bucks seems like a lot for how much hp?

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

89ProchargedROC

you know, i would be interested in what kinds of numbers this produces too because the L98 is a torque motor to begin with and now you are adding two turbos! Plus, not to mention our crappy heads. you know.....i bet with the twin kit, ported vette heads, turbo cam, and a miniram you would be looking at easy 10s all day long. hmmmmm.....maybe i'll wait and see about this and maybe i wont due my "race car" project. my new project wont be very reliable and/or street driven daily so maybe this kit is what i could be looking for. we'll see

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Big Thumper 400 started!
91mm Turbo
GM raised runner heads
more as money allows
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92Camaro305TBI

any new info?

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92 Camaro 305 TBI Automatic
https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=6100

88 WS6 TransAm GTA

iTrader: (1)

Hey now, I live in Jersey... maybe Ill take a ride up to Garwood personally, and see how theyre makin out... and if theyre nice, maybe Ill even LET them try out one of their new turbo systems on my car for FREE of charge What a nice guy I am!
-Rob

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92' White Trans Am Convertible, 305 TPI, 5 spd. 2:73's, Edelbrock TES, Accell 8.8's, Hypertech Stage II, TPIS Air Foil, Ported Plenum, K&N TB Cone Filter, AFPR, & A Little Bit Of Attitude!
-Best ET: 14.944 @ 93.11

88 Gunmetal GTA Hardtop... Project In The Works!

"GUYS, WE NEED TO FIND A MUSTANG TO RACE... THERES ONE! HOLY SH*T SHES HOT! SHES NOT GONNA GO... NAH... HOLY SH*T SHES GOIN!"

B4Ctom1

I would like to see someone build stainless steel turbo headers like this http://www.fasttrackperformance.com/...ader_chevy.jpg for third gens without the kit, without the turbos, so that those of us that like to spend alot of time and will have to spend $5000 anyway are not stuck in someone elses cookie cutter idea of what a turbo third gen should be. so we can all build really fast cars. there is another company, Turbo Driven Concepts please e-mail them at contact@turbodrivenconcepts.com ive talked to him and i think he would build some if we pressure him enough.-tom



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PROCHARGED89Z

Tom,What did they say to you?I have been emailing back and forth with CAS out of Mich.They told me they might be developing a kit this winter,just have some other projects to do first.Still the best way is custom.I am thinkign I will eventually just stick with my first plan and have the place I talked to do mine,seem shops are more interested in the newer cars,its justified though.We are just late to the party.

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Check out my Hompage,or the beginnings of one.355 dynoed at 400HP at 5800RPM & 410LBFT of TQ,on Motorhttp://www.procharged89z.cz28.com/index.html

RSFreak

There was a company in the early '80s called Pfaff Turbo that made complete turbo kits for thirdgen Camaros. They had a really unique looking exhaust manifold that looks like it could be fairly easy to replicate. I've got an old Hot Rod magazine somewhere with pictures of their '83 Z28 test platform. I've searched for information about this company for quite some time, but apparently they went out of business long ago.

TPI_Guru

i believe darren means CAS out of IL
correct me if i'm wrong

PROCHARGED89Z

WHops yes you are right.I hope they do develop the kit.But I need a definte answer.Too many maybes and waits.Right now custom is the only way to go.

I bought a new book Turbochargers by Corky Bell.In it is a company that made a single turbo kit for the third gens.The name is Turbo engineering # is 303-2713997.They made a kit,but dont make it anymore.I bet they still have the jigs.A few calls might get them to think.I called but to no avail.Is looks like a nice kit.

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Check out my Hompage,or the beginnings of one.355 dynoed at 400HP at 5800RPM & 410LBFT of TQ,on Motorhttp://www.procharged89z.cz28.com/index.html

B4Ctom1

I havent talked to anyone except for the guy at Turbo Driven Concepts. All of the input for turbo kits he gets is from the Rustang market and he says he welcomes input on SBC kit. He thinks 1 or 2 guys does not make a market and he is right. that is why I need you to email them at contact@turbodriven concepts.com . I told him that to keep his investment small and his risk down that he could just build the headers like those pictured floating around, that will fit a 3rd gen. the way i see it if he builds them to work in a third gen then the carbed, TBI'd, and TPI'd could all use them birds and camaros as well as trucks, novas, chevelles, maybe older vettes, sbc converted vehicles like datsun 280z's and s-10s (maybe) as well. I've even thought about telling people he has them already because I know his phone would blow up, but that would not be right. I suggest that any one with welding skills get the flages here : http://www.rock-it.com/TurboAddOn3.htm and weld them to an upsidedown installed 3rdgen shorty header that has had it's exhaust pipe flange lopped off at the collector. my ride: https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=3980

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92Camaro305TBI

I e-mailed them

Who else has?

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92 Camaro 305 TBI Automatic
https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=6100

SteveSpohn

Give me a sample and I can build the headers, it's just a matter of jigging them up.

Just remember, high numeric stainless is money, don't expect a quality stainless turbo header kit for $300, not gonna happen, materials alone are more then that.

Steve

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Spohn Performance: F-Body Chassis/Suspension Specialists

PROCHARGED89Z

I was quoted $3000 for headers downpipe,pipes to attatch to intercooler,basically all the piping(this does not include the turbo or intercooler)in 321 ss.And Im being told that is expensive.Thats work involved on the car,bending and welding right there.321 is expensive.Steve,If you can get your hands on the Turbo book by corky bell their is a pic of a turbo kit that was made for third gens.Unfortunatly it is not in production anymore,I called.I wonder if they still have the jigs though.

BahamutRS

I live in Jersey too. Maybe I should make a trip as well

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1992 Camaro RS (Auto) 5.0L TBI
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Performance mods
NOS (125 HP shot), Dynomax cat-back exhaust, Hedman headers, no cat, custom high beam delete ram air w/ K&N, MSD 6A ignition, MSD 8.5mm plug wires, LT1 camshaft
Soon to be installed:
Edelbrock Perfomer TBI intake, B & M 2200 RPM stall torque converter, Trans Go shift kit, World Products Torquer heads, Ed Wright Fast Chip

Audio
Sony Xplod CDX-M610 head unit, Pioneer 2-way 4x6 front speakers, Pioneer 3-way 6x9 rear speakers, 12 inch Pioneer VCCS PRO subwoofer, QLogic sealed box, Kicker ZR360 amplifier, Lightning Audio 1 farad capacitor

Other
Macewen White Faced Gauges/Shift overlay, A-pillar gauges (Phantom oil pressure, Air/Fuel), 180* thermostat, Window Tint, chrome valve covers, xenon headlights

89 CamaroIROCZ

Yo rob.. haha sweet pic in the sig man.. The camaro is ready to rock and roll whenever you are.. I'm hopeing to get it to the track maybe this weekend or next if its open. I'm not sure tho. I'm trying to get my hood to f'in stay down in the front so thats the only thing holdin me back. Also an f'in inspection sticker for daily drivin...

Matt


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89 Camaro IROC
350" GM Crate Motor
278/290 .476/.494,
3000 Lockup Converter,
..plenty more
Harwood 2" Cowl

UNITED WE STAND

SATURN5

Some info on an alternative to SS headers. You can use weldable cast iron sched 40 pipe fittings. fittings have a 45* bevel on ends and weld easily with MIG/TIG. more info at http://www.sdsefi.com/techheader.htm

This is the route i am taking with my personal project. the 3/8 mild steel for head flange and exhaust inlet arrived today. You can get it cut to length (2 free cuts) from www.onlinemetals.com I paid like 30 bucks shipped.

the weldable fittings are available at
http://www.mcmaster.com/ under pipe fittings. Goto Iron and Steel pipe, select shape, select material (carbon steel). Look for butt weld. cost is 4 to 6 bucks each. 45* and short radius 90 and long radius 90 and straight pipe is available. go with 1 1/4 inch dia (really 1 3/8 id).

I have tried to CAD up a set of drawings but I havent used AutoCAD before so they really are kinda scary however, they look rather close to the pics in Guido's thread.

I hope this helps some of you out. I have spent the last year sorting out how to turbo my Malibu and this is the "cheapest" way around $200 to assemble a set of durable headers.
cheers Bob


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79 Chevy Malibu Cpe
305 TPI/700-R4,3:50 Posi 9 inch,4 wheel disc
Custom Twin Turbocharged,Intercooled
ported upper and lower intake,
35 Lb Turbo T-Bird injectors,
214,224 duration .450I .465E lift
749ECM, modified SyTy software
currently under radar
http://turbotpi.homestead.com/SATURN5.html



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LottaBallsCamaro

Someone help out spohn please!!!!

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You have walked onto the biggest baddest dog porch and you will be dealt with accordingly.

I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct!

Kev90sc

So what you guys are saying is that nobody makes the headers yet and the kit is in progress but no word on completion?
I was looking for some hard facts on turbocharging my 86 T/A effectively, but cheaply so what is avail, from who?

XFire83

Like I said, I would settle for a set of those "factory" manifolds for a single turbo unit. At least then, the hard part would be out of the way!

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Black 1983 Trans Am
350 Cross-Fire Injection
T5 World Class
3.42 Locker
7747 ECM
Flowtech Headers
!Cat
Factory 98 WS6 muffler (oval tip)

PETE

iTrader: (1)

what about using a pass. side exhaust manifold upside down on the driver's side.a new collecter would have to be made so thatit would convert the rounded 2 bolt flange to a 3 bolt flat face turbo flange.next move the alternator(88-92)down to the bottom to make room for the turbo to be mounted in the alternator's place.does anyone think the cast iron manifold will hold up?i know you'll have to have special tubing fabbed for the turbo but it might be a cost effective idea.

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82resto

What about SLP headers (the ones that hardly fit on the driver's side)? What if someone flipped them upside down, and like the previous guy mentioned, cut the collector flange off and replaced it with a turbo-compatible one? That would make the job a hell of a lot easier (especially since I alread have SLP headers, hehe). Anyone have any idea on whether they'd fit or not?

Jon

Black84Z28

What about using regular headers and no hood?

scauffiel

The one thing people tend to forget is when you flip over headers, alot of times you cover the spark plug holes. Turbo'd vehicles run better with spark plugs. Do you see the other problem? Everyone asks "Will this fit? Will that fit?" but no one wants to try it. What's the matter? A little leery of cutting up your SLP's? Hell yeah! Well, the manufacturers are looking at the exact same thing - only, to make a bolt-on kit they have to take into account all the different variations under the hood. THEN they have to make money on it, THEN they have to sell them! Without all of that it just aint worth it to them - it is a business after all. Wanna talk warranties? Hooboy - I don't see how they can offer one, seriously. They don't know if the guy throwing one of these on knows his @$$ from a hole in the ground - or if he's a "pro-stocker." Not enough fuel under boost - done deal, melted pistons. Not enough timing - done deal, detonation leads to broken pistons. Etc, etc, yada yada yada...

So when they finally do come out with a kit, you know some serious thought when into it. My hat'll be off to them.

Steve

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Steve's Trans Am Temple

BlownBird

If someone wants to try the SLP idea out,I have a set of ss 1 3/4" slp's (no air tubes) that I will let go for $200. It may be worth a shot.I can ship them today!

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88 Formula 350
vortech s-trimed 355 tpi
best et.10.92@124.7
New project 900+hp. 355 with a y/s trim

tilstad

Actually I'm a professionally trained and certified autocad technitian, have been at it for some years now. Perhaps I could help you out, my expert area is 3D modeling, mainly buildings, but I sure could try to help out draw up som 3D header if given some spec's and measures.

Just give me a ring.

B4Ctom1

OMG you are the re-animator!

tilstad

Wow, this post was old... didn't notice that at first. Well that's what you get when everybody tells you to search...

antoine

look at www.bbsdesigns.net they have twin turbo kit for thirdgens for $ 2,795 and single one too.

91rsowner4life

i dont know much about turbos thats why i am asking this qustion. witch one would you get for a factory 91 RS 305?

tilstad

I think these kinds of kits is meant for highly modified engines with lowered compression, special turbo camshafts and pistons, and generally way beefed up. A twin turbo kit can make serious horsepower, and if that's not what you're after, don't consider turbo's, get a tried and tested paxton or the likes.

Twin turbo's are for a 600HP and above engines, and if you're aiming lower, no need for turbo's then.

Other than that, I guess it'll fit your car. You could probably mount it up with some small and cheap used turbo's from a 1,8 T VW engine or something like that. Get some experience with it, try out the concept without going for the big numbers at first try.

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

wow, back from the frickin' dead man!

B4Ctom1

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Guido

Thats not entirely true. If you want something thats a lot more safe, then yes its good to beef up the motor but its not entirely needed. A stock TPI comes around 9.5:1 compression which isnt bad for turbocharging provided you keep the fuel and timing managed and keep an eye on it to make sure you dont lose it.

TechSmurf

And turbochargers come with the street-friendly option of turning down the boost... little harder to do with a supercharger...

91rsowner4life

thanks for the info it will help alot

RSFreak

Good job!

91rsowner4life

sorry this might be a stupid question but i was looking at the BBS Desings web site again and is says there Turbo Kits are for V Belt Equiped SBC 3rd Gen F-bodys and Serpentine Belt Equiped SBC 3rd Gen F-bodys and other SBC Vehicles. what does that mean? will it work with a 1991 RS with a automatic 305.

BBSDesigns

Hi 91rsowner4life,
There are no stupid questions, stupid would be not to ask. The 3rd gen F-body cars came with either V belt type setup(power accessories are driven by multiple belt and pulleys) or serpentine belt type setup (power accessories are driven by one long belt and pulley arrangement). Your 91 RS should be a serpentine belt setup. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. Everyone in this forum are in the best disposition to help
BBSDesigns