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07-09-2001, 02:52 PM
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Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: 645hp/656 ft lb Blown 383
Transmission: 700-R4 3,000 stall
Axle/Gears: 3.55 moser 12-bolt
Superfueler
Okay, I just sent my FMU back to Vortech to rebuild it. I had unfortunately opend it totally up, and they said that it has to be rebuilt. Anyway. I have heard a lot about this Superfueler. I have a afew question, being that I am probably gonna get one.
a- who makes it?
b- how much?
c- can it be used w/ my Prom as it is?
d- is is a fully stand alone unit?
e- what type of hookup is it (does it go to the fuel rail, vac lines or MAP sensor, and what does it wire into)?
f- How do you set it up/program it. I don't have any diagnostic tools.
g- any other pertinant info please.
h- how think is the TB plate?
thanks a lot!
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best time & mph (Naturally Aspirated): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 *This car is 100% NYS emissions legal, w/ all emissions controls!* "If you want to have a fast car, hang out w/ those who do!"
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, INSTALLATION IN PROGRESS: 10 & 15 LB> PULLEYS, CUSTOM HKS RACE BYPASS, CUSTOM DUCTING W/ COLD AIR, SWAPPING TO SERPENTINE, & MANY EXTRAS! BEST TIME: 11'S I GUESS. WE'LL SEE IN SPRING!
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07-09-2001, 04:46 PM
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a-who makes it? Carroll supercharging
b-how much? approx.$700.00
c-can it be used w/ my prom as it is? it sure can
d-is it a fully stand alone unit? yes it is
e-what type of fuel hookup is it? it mounts between the TB and the plenum, kinda like a nitrous plate
f-how do you set it up/program it? you'll need a way to monitor your air/fuel ratio to set it up
g-any other pertinant info? check out their website, the operations and instruction manual are there on the website
http://www.carrollsupercharging.com/
[b]h-how thick is the TB plate?<b/>
hope this is some help
later
larry
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a-who makes it? Carroll supercharging
b-how much? approx.$700.00
c-can it be used w/ my prom as it is? it sure can
d-is it a fully stand alone unit? yes it is
e-what type of fuel hookup is it? it mounts between the TB and the plenum, kinda like a nitrous plate
f-how do you set it up/program it? you'll need a way to monitor your air/fuel ratio to set it up
g-any other pertinant info? check out their website, the operations and instruction manual are there on the website
http://www.carrollsupercharging.com/
[b]h-how thick is the TB plate?<b/>
hope this is some help
later
larry
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MÅN¡ÅÇ ©
88 IROC 5.7 TPI
ATI procharger D1sc 10#'s boost, edelbrock TES, complete MSD ignition, Borla cat-back, KB subframe connectors, accel 24# injectors...and a few other go fast goodies
http://maniac.megamania.com
[This message has been edited by maniacc (edited July 09, 2001).]
07-09-2001, 10:23 PM
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Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: 645hp/656 ft lb Blown 383
Transmission: 700-R4 3,000 stall
Axle/Gears: 3.55 moser 12-bolt
Yes that was a ton of help. Thanks a lot. I think I'll have to get a miniram, and get rid of the Superam, because of clearance problems w/ the discharge tube. But the miniram doesn't have EGR. What exactly changes w/out the EGR, both mechanically and computerwise? How necessary is it to pass emissions. I am set on keepin this car 100% emissions legal. thanks for the help/
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
07-10-2001, 08:35 AM
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Car: 1987 Z28 Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 5-speed
Maniacc summed it up very well. You might want to go to
http://www.carrollsupercharging.com
and get a free copy of their Superfueler catalog. It's very informative.
I might also add that I had a slight clearance problem with the right side injector wiring harness and my stock Z28 hood!! It comes in contact with the right side louver indention. I don't think you'll have this problem with a Firebird hood, since it's relatively flat.
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Willie
Supercharged 1987 305 IROC-Z, Daily-Driver, Emissions-Legal.
Former Paxton (6-psig) with 50-hp nitrous: 12.043 @ 112.86 mph.
ATI D1SC (10-psig): 12.056 @ 116.62 mph.
All stats are altitude corrected for 3,100 feet using NHRA's Altitude Correction Table.
http://willie.camaro-firebird.org/
1987 "20th Anniversary Commemorative Edition" Z28 Convertible -- Super Chevy Show Class Winner, 1998.
http://www.carrollsupercharging.com
and get a free copy of their Superfueler catalog. It's very informative.
I might also add that I had a slight clearance problem with the right side injector wiring harness and my stock Z28 hood!! It comes in contact with the right side louver indention. I don't think you'll have this problem with a Firebird hood, since it's relatively flat.
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Willie
Supercharged 1987 305 IROC-Z, Daily-Driver, Emissions-Legal.
Former Paxton (6-psig) with 50-hp nitrous: 12.043 @ 112.86 mph.
ATI D1SC (10-psig): 12.056 @ 116.62 mph.
All stats are altitude corrected for 3,100 feet using NHRA's Altitude Correction Table.
http://willie.camaro-firebird.org/
1987 "20th Anniversary Commemorative Edition" Z28 Convertible -- Super Chevy Show Class Winner, 1998.
07-10-2001, 09:44 AM
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Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: 645hp/656 ft lb Blown 383
Transmission: 700-R4 3,000 stall
Axle/Gears: 3.55 moser 12-bolt
I have a cowl hood. Thanks again though.
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
07-10-2001, 02:55 PM
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What about distribution problems with running fuel through a dry flow intake?
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1988 T/A,
9" Ford, 3.50 gears, Auburn posi, 700r4 -w- 2100 converter, 360ci, 9.8:1 cr,
AFR 195 Heads, Weiand #7525 intake, Lunati roller 219/227, .479/.480, 112 LSA
GM big block 2bbl TBI on truck 7747 computer
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1988 T/A,
9" Ford, 3.50 gears, Auburn posi, 700r4 -w- 2100 converter, 360ci, 9.8:1 cr,
AFR 195 Heads, Weiand #7525 intake, Lunati roller 219/227, .479/.480, 112 LSA
GM big block 2bbl TBI on truck 7747 computer
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan W:
What about distribution problems with running fuel through a dry flow intake?
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What about distribution problems with running fuel through a dry flow intake?
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Maybe no more or less, but that is a great point. especially w/ a superam, couldn't that be potentially dangerous to some of the cylinders? I would think so, but please correct me if I am wrong.
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
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I just wanted to make sure that nobody thought I was implying I know there are distribution problems with the TPI intake and superfueler because I dont... I'm just asking.
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Car: 1987 Z28 Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI
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Dan,
The Superfueler sprays fuel into the plenum through a bar (spray tube) with ten 0.030 nozzles. I cannot give you specs on the nozzles on a TPI nitrous plate, but having had one in the past, I can tell you it sprays the fuel through a spray tube, exactly like the Superfueler.
Justin,
I do not know about fuel distribution with the Superfueler and Superam. My suggestion would be to call Carroll. FYI, I'm running my times with a ported stock plenum. If you find out that there could/is a problem, I'd sell the Superam.
Willie
The Superfueler sprays fuel into the plenum through a bar (spray tube) with ten 0.030 nozzles. I cannot give you specs on the nozzles on a TPI nitrous plate, but having had one in the past, I can tell you it sprays the fuel through a spray tube, exactly like the Superfueler.
Justin,
I do not know about fuel distribution with the Superfueler and Superam. My suggestion would be to call Carroll. FYI, I'm running my times with a ported stock plenum. If you find out that there could/is a problem, I'd sell the Superam.
Willie
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Willie,
That's my thought exactly. The only problem is that I would never go back tho the stock TPI plenum design, ported or not, and the miniram seems like a GREAT choice, w/ its ease of installation and small size, EXCEPT it doesn't have EGR provisions. I wanted to keep the EGR. Besides the obvious, what else does the EGR valve do exactly. How necessarry is it, and what would it change if I ran w/out one? I am deadset on keeping it NYS emisions legal.
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
[This message has been edited by Justin 87 GTA (edited July 11, 2001).]
That's my thought exactly. The only problem is that I would never go back tho the stock TPI plenum design, ported or not, and the miniram seems like a GREAT choice, w/ its ease of installation and small size, EXCEPT it doesn't have EGR provisions. I wanted to keep the EGR. Besides the obvious, what else does the EGR valve do exactly. How necessarry is it, and what would it change if I ran w/out one? I am deadset on keeping it NYS emisions legal.
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SUPERCHARGED 87 GTA: Blk/Gld w/Superam, 355cid Trickflows, forged pistons 9.5:1. Auto 2,600 stall, 3.45 9 bolt disc, Best ET (Nat. Asp.): 13.567 @ 101.900 w/ a poor 60ft. Best mph: 104.3 -*100% NYS emissions legal*
http:// www.community.webtv.net/munks87/JustinsGTApage.com
VORTECH S-TRIM, Install completed 7/9/01: 10 & 15 LB. PULLEYS, HKS race bypass, Custom cold air, Swapped to serpentine. Best ET: High 11'S I Hope. We'll see July 14th @ E-town!
[This message has been edited by Justin 87 GTA (edited July 11, 2001).]
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