Superchargers????
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Superchargers????
Hi everyone.
I have 83 maro that I put a crate engine in it. The engine is the 330 hp one with a eldlebrock 600 carb. In the couple of weeks it will have a t-56 with 3.73s. I was just wondering if yall had any suggestions on what route would be best, I really have no clue where to start. Thanks
I have 83 maro that I put a crate engine in it. The engine is the 330 hp one with a eldlebrock 600 carb. In the couple of weeks it will have a t-56 with 3.73s. I was just wondering if yall had any suggestions on what route would be best, I really have no clue where to start. Thanks
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put a 100hp shot of nitrous on it and it'll wake up...thats the cheapest bang for the buck power adder available but if money is not an issue, start doing some research on superchargers and there is a ton of info about them on this board.
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leeperryracing Thanks for the help, but I have one more question.
Is there a reason a supercharger kit for a ZZ4 wouldnn't work?
Thanks in advance
Is there a reason a supercharger kit for a ZZ4 wouldnn't work?
Thanks in advance
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" yeah get NAAAAWWWZZZ"...
make sure you..get... "NAAAWWZZ bottles.. the big ones.. 2 of them, and you need them by tomorrow night.." (fast and furious part1)
NO2 sucks.. cheap mans way of building horse power..
make sure you..get... "NAAAWWZZ bottles.. the big ones.. 2 of them, and you need them by tomorrow night.." (fast and furious part1)
NO2 sucks.. cheap mans way of building horse power..
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
NO2 sucks.. cheap mans way of building horse power..
NO2 sucks.. cheap mans way of building horse power..
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
NO2 sucks.. cheap mans way of building horse power..
NO2 sucks.. cheap mans way of building horse power..
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I'm not a nitrous guy but I've always thought the "if bottles are for babies why are you the one crying?" saying was funny. To the original poster I would recommend you contact all the manufacturers that make kits for 82-92 camaros and ask them about running a carb setup. I'm pretty sure alot of the kits for the TPI can be converted to work with a carb. Then when you know whats out there start to compare them. Some kits are definately more of a value than others. Search will give you alot of info on different supercharger units and manufacturers
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Originally posted by Z28*****
^ Crybabys way of saying "waaahhhh that a hole beat me, im slow"
^ Crybabys way of saying "waaahhhh that a hole beat me, im slow"
funny.. the only 2 guys sticking up for NAAWZZ are the 2 R I CE R's
you guys just proved my point..
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Im not a *****, and i have ran nitrous on my friends fiero, and his new LS1. Ive also help set up nitrous kits on another guys 454. Nitrous is a good way to get some more power out of your motor, it takes just as much if not more planning than any good supercharger set up, or turbo set up. Nitrous is not cheap when done with all the safeties/bottle temp controllers/openers/purging/refills. But its still a simple concept thats easy to understand.
Now for the orginal posters question, Go to Prochargers home page, and order a catalog on the Carb set ups.
Guessing by the 330 hp of ur motor u went with the GM GoodWrench replacement 350? If so it has cast pistions, with about 8.6-9.0 commpression. Thats ok, as long as you stay light on the ignition advance and keep alot of fuel comming in and keep the boost down below 7PSI.
Blow through carb set ups hard hard to work with for a beginner, and you have to modify the carb to work properly, and not leak boost out every hole or shaft on the carb, hollies are more known for being easily modified.
You might want to check out summit, and get a catalog from them to check out the 177 Wieand blower, with a single carb. Click here for one example of a system that will easily work on your motor.
A boosted or nitroused motor is best built from the ground up if your looking for some serious power (400+).
Now for the orginal posters question, Go to Prochargers home page, and order a catalog on the Carb set ups.
Guessing by the 330 hp of ur motor u went with the GM GoodWrench replacement 350? If so it has cast pistions, with about 8.6-9.0 commpression. Thats ok, as long as you stay light on the ignition advance and keep alot of fuel comming in and keep the boost down below 7PSI.
Blow through carb set ups hard hard to work with for a beginner, and you have to modify the carb to work properly, and not leak boost out every hole or shaft on the carb, hollies are more known for being easily modified.
You might want to check out summit, and get a catalog from them to check out the 177 Wieand blower, with a single carb. Click here for one example of a system that will easily work on your motor.
A boosted or nitroused motor is best built from the ground up if your looking for some serious power (400+).
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
funny.. the only 2 guys sticking up for NAAWZZ are the 2 R I CE R's
you guys just proved my point..
funny.. the only 2 guys sticking up for NAAWZZ are the 2 R I CE R's
you guys just proved my point..
Fuel and air is fuel and air, if you are too ignorant to recognize this, you shouldnt be trying to go fast, I dont care if a belt or exhaust gas turns an impeller to push it in, or a lot of it is captured in a bottle, it all makes power just the same.
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
funny.. the only 2 guys sticking up for NAAWZZ are the 2 R I CE R's
you guys just proved my point..
funny.. the only 2 guys sticking up for NAAWZZ are the 2 R I CE R's
you guys just proved my point..
and it's not naws it's nitrous mr fast and the furious
ri cer get it right
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for one.. i dont street race.. lost too many friends that way.. two.. i could care less what people on a board say.. three.. i set my car up to road race.. not auto X or drag..
so continue to talk about it all you want.. i dont use it because its not needed in the category i choose to be in.. if you do.. good luck i hope you dont blow your engine or have to clean off too much carbon build up...
but hey.. im ignorant right? i said it sucks because its not something you can keep using and using without eventually having problems.. its volatile, and on the un preped engine.. will break things super fast..
so to me.. it sucks.. and will suck.. and to quote Homer Simpson.. "its the sorry-est suck that ever sucked.."
and before we get this poor guys thread locked for no good reason...
so continue to talk about it all you want.. i dont use it because its not needed in the category i choose to be in.. if you do.. good luck i hope you dont blow your engine or have to clean off too much carbon build up...
but hey.. im ignorant right? i said it sucks because its not something you can keep using and using without eventually having problems.. its volatile, and on the un preped engine.. will break things super fast..
so to me.. it sucks.. and will suck.. and to quote Homer Simpson.. "its the sorry-est suck that ever sucked.."
and before we get this poor guys thread locked for no good reason...
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mcrum1, what are your plans for heads, cams, etc. these need to planned out before putting on a charger. the guys here will tell you the same also. are you keeping it with a carb? maybe have it reworked? i am planning on getting the weiand 142 and actually have the same bottom end as you do. i went with afr head with 74cc to lower compression. maybe it is your best way to go, but fill us in on more of your combo
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Originally posted by KiLLJ0Y
for one.. i dont street race.. lost too many friends that way.. two.. i could care less what people on a board say.. three.. i set my car up to road race.. not auto X or drag..
so continue to talk about it all you want.. i dont use it because its not needed in the category i choose to be in.. if you do.. good luck i hope you dont blow your engine or have to clean off too much carbon build up...
but hey.. im ignorant right? i said it sucks because its not something you can keep using and using without eventually having problems.. its volatile, and on the un preped engine.. will break things super fast..
so to me.. it sucks.. and will suck.. and to quote Homer Simpson.. "its the sorry-est suck that ever sucked.."
and before we get this poor guys thread locked for no good reason...
for one.. i dont street race.. lost too many friends that way.. two.. i could care less what people on a board say.. three.. i set my car up to road race.. not auto X or drag..
so continue to talk about it all you want.. i dont use it because its not needed in the category i choose to be in.. if you do.. good luck i hope you dont blow your engine or have to clean off too much carbon build up...
but hey.. im ignorant right? i said it sucks because its not something you can keep using and using without eventually having problems.. its volatile, and on the un preped engine.. will break things super fast..
so to me.. it sucks.. and will suck.. and to quote Homer Simpson.. "its the sorry-est suck that ever sucked.."
and before we get this poor guys thread locked for no good reason...
nitrous hurting something is possible just like it is if your running any other type of forced induction or for that matter just about any type of mod.
all nitrous does is allow more oxygen into the combustion chamber right? what does any other mod do try to get more air into the motor?
whats the difference?
nitrous by itself is not volitle, from my understanding it won't even do anything if exposed to flame. only reason it goes boom is because the extra oxygen mixing with the gas.
but as I said nitrous isn't my thing either but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to it and put it down because it's cheap, or because ppl who don't know what they are doing blow there motors.
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slapi01
I was hoping not to have to change heads or cam , it has iron vortec heads with 64 cc chambers and a .450 and .465 lift cam , and has 9.1:1 cr so I thought it was low enough. If I swapped for a fuel injection setup would supercharging be easier? I only wanted to run 5psi of boast, just enough to notice and have it be reliable. Thanks
I was hoping not to have to change heads or cam , it has iron vortec heads with 64 cc chambers and a .450 and .465 lift cam , and has 9.1:1 cr so I thought it was low enough. If I swapped for a fuel injection setup would supercharging be easier? I only wanted to run 5psi of boast, just enough to notice and have it be reliable. Thanks
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Just .02
Nitrious bottles go empty and this usually happens when you want to run hard against someone on the street. If you're compression is modest and cam seperation is wide go Supercharged, costs more up front but less after a bunch of refills. If you can really afford to toss some cash at it go Turbo. It's exotic, powerful, safe if set up correctly and most of all if you run a quite blow off valve your gone before they know what hit 'em. Personally I went Roots and and the blower whine is a dead give away (which makes it even more fun). But Hey it's your car, and they are all effective systems. just remember if it's set up wrong at the end of the night you could be spending alot of cash to rebuild... so HAVE SOME FUN!!! If you can afford it.
Nitrious bottles go empty and this usually happens when you want to run hard against someone on the street. If you're compression is modest and cam seperation is wide go Supercharged, costs more up front but less after a bunch of refills. If you can really afford to toss some cash at it go Turbo. It's exotic, powerful, safe if set up correctly and most of all if you run a quite blow off valve your gone before they know what hit 'em. Personally I went Roots and and the blower whine is a dead give away (which makes it even more fun). But Hey it's your car, and they are all effective systems. just remember if it's set up wrong at the end of the night you could be spending alot of cash to rebuild... so HAVE SOME FUN!!! If you can afford it.
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Bottles get empty, belts break or get tossed off, none of it is going to be 100% perfect 100% of the time. Do a lot of research yourself, then decide which suits you best for your particular car and what you want to do with it.
Reasons I am using nitrous on the current car I am building:
1. Underhood space (with a blower) , adding an extra belt driven supercharger is going to take up space, for the blower itself, the bracketry, the extra belt routing. Makes a bunch of noise I dont want, and will contribute to lower gas mileage also.
2. Again, underhood space, with a turbo(s) a lot of space is lost, quite a bit of clutter in the areas needed to get at for a plug change, even more extra piping for the intake side running to an intercooler (pretty much the same as a blower cause I probably wouldnt run one without a cooler either).
3. Street car, chances are im not going to be racing often enough that i'll have a run in without my bottle full, and probably wont be racing much on the street any more unfortunately. A blower or turbo with an intercooler in front of my a/c condenser is likely to decrease a/c performance, not something I want to battle on my main car right now.
4. Belts break, bottles empty, it all requires maintainance, and setting your equipment up properly. Nitrous is just what will work best for me on the vehicle im installing it on.
Reasons I am using nitrous on the current car I am building:
1. Underhood space (with a blower) , adding an extra belt driven supercharger is going to take up space, for the blower itself, the bracketry, the extra belt routing. Makes a bunch of noise I dont want, and will contribute to lower gas mileage also.
2. Again, underhood space, with a turbo(s) a lot of space is lost, quite a bit of clutter in the areas needed to get at for a plug change, even more extra piping for the intake side running to an intercooler (pretty much the same as a blower cause I probably wouldnt run one without a cooler either).
3. Street car, chances are im not going to be racing often enough that i'll have a run in without my bottle full, and probably wont be racing much on the street any more unfortunately. A blower or turbo with an intercooler in front of my a/c condenser is likely to decrease a/c performance, not something I want to battle on my main car right now.
4. Belts break, bottles empty, it all requires maintainance, and setting your equipment up properly. Nitrous is just what will work best for me on the vehicle im installing it on.
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Originally posted by mcrum1
slapi01
I was hoping not to have to change heads or cam , it has iron vortec heads with 64 cc chambers and a .450 and .465 lift cam , and has 9.1:1 cr so I thought it was low enough. If I swapped for a fuel injection setup would supercharging be easier? I only wanted to run 5psi of boast, just enough to notice and have it be reliable. Thanks
slapi01
I was hoping not to have to change heads or cam , it has iron vortec heads with 64 cc chambers and a .450 and .465 lift cam , and has 9.1:1 cr so I thought it was low enough. If I swapped for a fuel injection setup would supercharging be easier? I only wanted to run 5psi of boast, just enough to notice and have it be reliable. Thanks