Blow carb with paxton
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Car: 85 Camaro Z28
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Blow carb with paxton
Finally it has happened, I sold my DFI, Superram manifold, throttle body, injectors ect ect.
I sent my paxton to paradise wheels to be rebuilt and it was a top notch job!
I don't know what carb I need for my application, or manifold but I'm looking forward to getting this car intune!
Thanks all!
I sent my paxton to paradise wheels to be rebuilt and it was a top notch job!
I don't know what carb I need for my application, or manifold but I'm looking forward to getting this car intune!
Thanks all!
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If I intended to keep things CHEAP and do it all myself I’d snag a used performer carb (basically a carter AFB) and modify that for boost, probably something in the 650cfm range. Otherwise, just buy one of the carb tuner blow through carbs and go from there.
#4
A blow thru carb should be pretty much sized as if you were running a non boosted engine. A roots style setup (suck thru? Lol) needs to be bigger.
IMO, a Holley boost referenced carb would be the ticket. Eddys and Carters are OK, but I've never seen much luck with them on boosted engines.
IMO, a Holley boost referenced carb would be the ticket. Eddys and Carters are OK, but I've never seen much luck with them on boosted engines.
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Usually sizing the carb smaller then you would for the NA engine will give a stronger signal at the carb and make it much easier to tune and allow you to do it with something more resembling standard size parts.
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Originally posted by 83 Crossfire TA
Usually sizing the carb smaller then you would for the NA engine will give a stronger signal at the carb and make it much easier to tune and allow you to do it with something more resembling standard size parts.
Usually sizing the carb smaller then you would for the NA engine will give a stronger signal at the carb and make it much easier to tune and allow you to do it with something more resembling standard size parts.
small is worse than going too big.
good luck.
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Well, I'm not suggesting that he run a 450cfm carb... but something in the 600-700cfm range will keep a small block happy till around 700-800hp without resorting to any exhotic/odd size parts.
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These CSU Blowthru carbs are the ticket. They come tuned for your application out of the box and ready to go. My buddies got this carb on his blow-thru S-trim SB 427 and it kicks ***.
http://www.superiorairflow.com/carb_...arburetors.htm
Also you will most likely want to run a single plane manifold similar to the Vic Jr. or Weiand X-cellerator.
I know I shouldn't probably be posting on here anymore because I've since got a mustang but I plan on running a Blowthru set-up on that.
http://www.superiorairflow.com/carb_...arburetors.htm
Also you will most likely want to run a single plane manifold similar to the Vic Jr. or Weiand X-cellerator.
I know I shouldn't probably be posting on here anymore because I've since got a mustang but I plan on running a Blowthru set-up on that.
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Originally posted by 83 Crossfire TA
Well, I'm not suggesting that he run a 450cfm carb... but something in the 600-700cfm range will keep a small block happy till around 700-800hp without resorting to any exhotic/odd size parts.
Well, I'm not suggesting that he run a 450cfm carb... but something in the 600-700cfm range will keep a small block happy till around 700-800hp without resorting to any exhotic/odd size parts.
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Thanks for the help guys- Here is what my current parts list is (If you think I should revise or see anything I'm missing or can think of a hidden cost please post)
750cfm Mighty Demon Annular Barry Grant Blow Through- $542
Air Gap Manifold $155
Aeromotive Regulator PN 13204 $150 (I do not want to change fuel pump)
Hat $208 Polished Aluminum Gasketed Extreme Velocity
Distributor $225 (MSD Not sure which to use yet, but ebay seems to bring 200-250 for various sbc distributors)
New Wires $80 (Not sure yet)
Coil $40 (still unsure)
Timing regulator $300 (MSD Boost controller 1-3 degrees of retard per lb of boost)
Misc $100 (Gaskets and crap)
What I would have done 10 years ago would amaze me, the thirdgen.org amazes me to no end...thanks guys
750cfm Mighty Demon Annular Barry Grant Blow Through- $542
Air Gap Manifold $155
Aeromotive Regulator PN 13204 $150 (I do not want to change fuel pump)
Hat $208 Polished Aluminum Gasketed Extreme Velocity
Distributor $225 (MSD Not sure which to use yet, but ebay seems to bring 200-250 for various sbc distributors)
New Wires $80 (Not sure yet)
Coil $40 (still unsure)
Timing regulator $300 (MSD Boost controller 1-3 degrees of retard per lb of boost)
Misc $100 (Gaskets and crap)
What I would have done 10 years ago would amaze me, the thirdgen.org amazes me to no end...thanks guys
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Car: 1989 iroc Z Hardtop
Engine: 350 tpi
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Originally posted by Adamsy87
I know I shouldn't probably be posting on here anymore because I've since got a mustang but I plan on running a Blowthru set-up on that. [/B]
I know I shouldn't probably be posting on here anymore because I've since got a mustang but I plan on running a Blowthru set-up on that. [/B]
And He11 thanks to all those blue oval guys w/o you i probably wouldnt have gotten into modding my camaro b/c id have nothing to compare to!
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im not a fan of the demon carb.. but the annular version should be great for you. stay away from downlegs if you can.
the air gap is about the best intake you can put on a motor... but with a blow through, i think that might hurt you in peak HP.
good luck.
im not a fan of the demon carb.. but the annular version should be great for you. stay away from downlegs if you can.
the air gap is about the best intake you can put on a motor... but with a blow through, i think that might hurt you in peak HP.
good luck.
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Originally posted by sleepybu
why is that
why is that
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heh... yea, just keep spending the $$$ on the holley based designs, where the AFB has been sorted out for boost for eons.
Just yesterday I had an original one off of a blown studabaker in my hands, yes, they came with a Paxton blow through setup from the factory.
Just yesterday I had an original one off of a blown studabaker in my hands, yes, they came with a Paxton blow through setup from the factory.
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You are gonna want to use a boost referencing fuel pressure regulator. Most guys go with the
- Aeromotive A2000 Carbureted Bypass Regulator, P/N 13202:
Adjustable base pressure from 2 to 20 PSI--recommended for A-2000; P/N 11202 and Belt Drive; P/N 11105 Drag Race fuel pumps. Ideal for use with high volume electric or mechanical fuel pumps of any make, where dynamic flow and rock steady pressure control is desired.
- Aeromotive A2000 Carbureted Bypass Regulator, P/N 13202:
Adjustable base pressure from 2 to 20 PSI--recommended for A-2000; P/N 11202 and Belt Drive; P/N 11105 Drag Race fuel pumps. Ideal for use with high volume electric or mechanical fuel pumps of any make, where dynamic flow and rock steady pressure control is desired.
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Car: 85 Camaro Z-28
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Originally posted by Adamsy87
You are gonna want to use a boost referencing fuel pressure regulator. Most guys go with the
- Aeromotive A2000 Carbureted Bypass Regulator, P/N 13202:
Adjustable base pressure from 2 to 20 PSI--recommended for A-2000; P/N 11202 and Belt Drive; P/N 11105 Drag Race fuel pumps. Ideal for use with high volume electric or mechanical fuel pumps of any make, where dynamic flow and rock steady pressure control is desired.
You are gonna want to use a boost referencing fuel pressure regulator. Most guys go with the
- Aeromotive A2000 Carbureted Bypass Regulator, P/N 13202:
Adjustable base pressure from 2 to 20 PSI--recommended for A-2000; P/N 11202 and Belt Drive; P/N 11105 Drag Race fuel pumps. Ideal for use with high volume electric or mechanical fuel pumps of any make, where dynamic flow and rock steady pressure control is desired.
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hmm yea im not sure then. If it were me I would just put a sump on the tank and then get a nice pump like the Aeromotive A1000 or the Big Magnaflow Pump. In all I think this is cheap insurance because if you starve that motor of fuel its gonna go bye bye. But yea I'm not sure about using a FI pump on it. I'm guessing it would be ok as long as you using a return style FPR.? Right?
Well I hope i'm helping a little bit.
If theres one place you don't want to skimp in my opinion its the Fuel System. Im gonna do mine with one of those two pumps with a sump and run -10 there and back. Do it right once and then you won't have to worry about it. Thats my philosophy.
Adam
Well I hope i'm helping a little bit.
If theres one place you don't want to skimp in my opinion its the Fuel System. Im gonna do mine with one of those two pumps with a sump and run -10 there and back. Do it right once and then you won't have to worry about it. Thats my philosophy.
Adam
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yah I'm going to use return style. I'm worried about if I need to run a huge line to offset soem of the pressure.
My next question is how am I going to hook up my boost gauge
My next question is how am I going to hook up my boost gauge
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CSU are DA guys when it comes to blow thru applications. They've really done their homework....and actually you WILL see annular discharge boosters on their carbs. No more than a 750 cfm, actually a 650 would do just fine. A smaller carb actually pulls more fuel on the top end and keeps your engine alive!!
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