Another Remote Mount Turbo System
#101
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Car: 91 Camaro Vert
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if i could chose the kind of pump id want..
it would be a impeller style one, using a metal impeller, with a coupling between the motor and pump to insulate it from the heat.
of course, rated for continuous duty..
it would be a impeller style one, using a metal impeller, with a coupling between the motor and pump to insulate it from the heat.
of course, rated for continuous duty..
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Car: 89 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: Intercooled Twin Turbo LQ4
Transmission: Tremec TKO 600
Originally posted by B4Ctom1
here is my contribution to the oil pump dilema.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...7671&langId=-1
here is my contribution to the oil pump dilema.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...7671&langId=-1
And just to clear things up, the pump I am running is NOT a water pump. It was specifically designed for oil. It is commonly used by farmers as bulk oil transfer pumps. It uses the highest temp materials Shur-Flo has available (rated at 180°F). The reason I felt comfortable using it is because of this:
http://westech.home.mindspring.com/propages/scvpump.htm
This is the exact same pump I am running, except mine has a heat sink on it. Yes, I know it says they modified it, but they say they modified it for oil compatability, not heat. And for double the price of what I paid for mine, it was not worth it (my pump only cost $95.00) BTM, I'm going on 7,000 miles on this pump with no glitches at all. And rebuild kits are only $15.00- if your worried about the pump you could stick new diaphragms and valves in it at every other oil change.
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From: Cheyenne, Wyoming
Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
Engine: Proaction 412, Accel singleplane
Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
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Originally posted by 89JYturbo
Don't try it! I actually bought this exact pump and it did not work. It has a built in pressure relief valve that is so light it wouldn't pump the oil (the vacuum on the inlet side actually pulled the valve open!). I thought about plugging the valve, but I didn't feel it was worth a try. I sold the pump on eBay.
And just to clear things up, the pump I am running is NOT a water pump. It was specifically designed for oil. It is commonly used by farmers as bulk oil transfer pumps. It uses the highest temp materials Shur-Flo has available (rated at 180°F). The reason I felt comfortable using it is because of this:
http://westech.home.mindspring.com/propages/scvpump.htm
This is the exact same pump I am running, except mine has a heat sink on it. Yes, I know it says they modified it, but they say they modified it for oil compatability, not heat. And for double the price of what I paid for mine, it was not worth it (my pump only cost $95.00) BTM, I'm going on 7,000 miles on this pump with no glitches at all. And rebuild kits are only $15.00- if your worried about the pump you could stick new diaphragms and valves in it at every other oil change.
Don't try it! I actually bought this exact pump and it did not work. It has a built in pressure relief valve that is so light it wouldn't pump the oil (the vacuum on the inlet side actually pulled the valve open!). I thought about plugging the valve, but I didn't feel it was worth a try. I sold the pump on eBay.
And just to clear things up, the pump I am running is NOT a water pump. It was specifically designed for oil. It is commonly used by farmers as bulk oil transfer pumps. It uses the highest temp materials Shur-Flo has available (rated at 180°F). The reason I felt comfortable using it is because of this:
http://westech.home.mindspring.com/propages/scvpump.htm
This is the exact same pump I am running, except mine has a heat sink on it. Yes, I know it says they modified it, but they say they modified it for oil compatability, not heat. And for double the price of what I paid for mine, it was not worth it (my pump only cost $95.00) BTM, I'm going on 7,000 miles on this pump with no glitches at all. And rebuild kits are only $15.00- if your worried about the pump you could stick new diaphragms and valves in it at every other oil change.
good to know
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Originally posted by Mike-91 Formula 350
I know you have been questioned to death on this setup and I believe I've read the entire thread but I've got one too.Do you have a sump for the return oil or is it straight to the pump?Thanks
I know you have been questioned to death on this setup and I believe I've read the entire thread but I've got one too.Do you have a sump for the return oil or is it straight to the pump?Thanks
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what if it was just a little sump. I was going to use one of THESE for a oil sump on a forgotten turbo goped idea by plugging the bottom. It is made to allow the convetional fill cap on a 5.0 equpped with a set of aftermarket valve covers and a push in style grommet.
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hey! look what I found while catching up on my 6 months worth of magazines from while I was training to become a locomotive engineer.
Page 106 of the June 04 hotrod magazine asks a question and shows a picture referring to a pump shown on page 34 of the Jan 04 hotrod.
This pump is described as an electric oil scavenge pump
PN 9200-A
made by:
Weldon racing pumps
(440) 232-2282
oh and I found this:
http://www.weldonracing.com/9200a.html
unfortunately weldon stuff is not cheap
Page 106 of the June 04 hotrod magazine asks a question and shows a picture referring to a pump shown on page 34 of the Jan 04 hotrod.
This pump is described as an electric oil scavenge pump
PN 9200-A
made by:
Weldon racing pumps
(440) 232-2282
oh and I found this:
http://www.weldonracing.com/9200a.html
unfortunately weldon stuff is not cheap
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Car: 89 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: Intercooled Twin Turbo LQ4
Transmission: Tremec TKO 600
Now thats the pump we need for a system like this. Yes, its a bit pricey, but I don't mind laying down the cash to get good quality parts.
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
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Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
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Originally posted by rtkjadams
I called for a that Weldon Oil Pump $415.00 Ouch!!!
Ray
I called for a that Weldon Oil Pump $415.00 Ouch!!!
Ray
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Car: 1999 Cavalier Z24, and a '52 Chevy 2 door
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Transmission: 5 speed in the Z, and 3 speed in the 52
Hmm, I wonder if you can find them cheaper on Ebay.
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Originally posted by rtkjadams
What kind of Pump does "STS Turbo" use? I emailed them to see if they would sell their pump to me But No luck....
"www.STSTurbo.com"
What kind of Pump does "STS Turbo" use? I emailed them to see if they would sell their pump to me But No luck....
"www.STSTurbo.com"
dEAR sts,
dood, can you sell me yure oil pump, i want to make my own chepe kit and barely give you a cent
k thnx dood
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From: Charleston, SC
Car: 91 Camaro Vert
Engine: 02 LS1, HX40
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Originally posted by B4Ctom1
ha ha! isnt that kind of a slap in thier face?
dEAR sts,
dood, can you sell me yure oil pump, i want to make my own chepe kit and barely give you a cent
k thnx dood
ha ha! isnt that kind of a slap in thier face?
dEAR sts,
dood, can you sell me yure oil pump, i want to make my own chepe kit and barely give you a cent
k thnx dood
eh, given how many faces they've slapped, i wouldnt mind slapping them back..... a couple times.. :lala:
#116
I just browsed this thread, and have a couple of comments. I've seen people posting about an inter cooler for this set up. It's already there. The pipe you use to run your boost pressure from the turbo to the engine is exposed to ambient air temp all the way to the engine. For California guys who want a turbo, this is the only one that would be smog legal. The turbo is installed after the cat, so that's legal. Plumb the intake correctly so it doesn't by pass any smog equipment, and that is also legal. In fact I think it would work well with a maf system to plumb the intake pipe into the maf. Anything installed before the first smog component on the intake side or after the cat on the exhaust side is deemed legal and not interfering with smog control.
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Man, there is just soooo much unbelievable BS in these STS turbo threads… at one point I read through this whole thing and started commenting on everything and then just decided what’s the point… and gave up.
Anyway, lets pick one thing and run with it… (sorry, not picking on you, but it’s just the thing that stood out most on this page so far):
- air temp is nowhere near ambient down there… typically, on a sunny summer day air temps can be 20-40* over ambient within a few inches of the ground. Add that it’s within a few inches of an exhaust pipe that is going to be many hundreds of degrees, I wouldn’t be surprised if it pretty much stays >50* over ambient.
- If there was any meaningful heat exchange going on there why do they ceramic coat that tube (you can take that as an argument for “no real heat exchange” or for “they’re not sure what they’re doing much past taking people’s money”)
WRT to the pump, someone find me a part number and I can probably find one cheap… I’m betting that I might be able to get a decent price for the Weldon diff pump, but that will still be expensive.
Anyway, lets pick one thing and run with it…
“I've seen people posting about an inter cooler for this set up. It's already there. The pipe you use to run your boost pressure from the turbo to the engine is exposed to ambient air temp all the way to the engine.”
- air temp is nowhere near ambient down there… typically, on a sunny summer day air temps can be 20-40* over ambient within a few inches of the ground. Add that it’s within a few inches of an exhaust pipe that is going to be many hundreds of degrees, I wouldn’t be surprised if it pretty much stays >50* over ambient.
- If there was any meaningful heat exchange going on there why do they ceramic coat that tube (you can take that as an argument for “no real heat exchange” or for “they’re not sure what they’re doing much past taking people’s money”)
WRT to the pump, someone find me a part number and I can probably find one cheap… I’m betting that I might be able to get a decent price for the Weldon diff pump, but that will still be expensive.
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From: Charleston, SC
Car: 91 Camaro Vert
Engine: 02 LS1, HX40
Transmission: 2002 LS1 M6
Originally posted by 83 Crossfire TA
WRT to the pump, someone find me a part number and I can probably find one cheap… I’m betting that I might be able to get a decent price for the Weldon diff pump, but that will still be expensive.
WRT to the pump, someone find me a part number and I can probably find one cheap… I’m betting that I might be able to get a decent price for the Weldon diff pump, but that will still be expensive.
theres someone in the local Fbody club that might be buying their LS1 camaro kit...... if they do get teh STS kit, i'll be sure to get the pumps part number.. and lots of pics.
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Originally posted by MrDude_1
theres someone in the local Fbody club that might be buying their LS1 camaro kit...... if they do get teh STS kit, i'll be sure to get the pumps part number.. and lots of pics.
theres someone in the local Fbody club that might be buying their LS1 camaro kit...... if they do get teh STS kit, i'll be sure to get the pumps part number.. and lots of pics.
ssshhhhhhhhhh
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I have an 87 el camino with a 350, RV cam, performer intake, headers, and custom exhaust in it(all I can do and still keep it legal). I have been looking for either a supercharger or a turbo unit for it, the kicker is I live in CA.(I don't want to move) so smog legal has been the biggest problem, a rear mounted turbo would solve this problmem even though its not an optimum setup. I would rather not pay STS there price and would love to do this myself. The only problem is I've never worked on turbo unit's before but am willing to try. The first question would be what size turbo unit should I use. As a side note me elkie has a Computer controlled Carb. would it and the computer be able to handle a turbo system? If anybody can help steer me in the right direction that would be a big help.
August
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Originally posted by AUGUST
As a side note me elkie has a Computer controlled Carb. would it and the computer be able to handle a turbo system? If anybody can help steer me in the right direction that would be a big help.
August
As a side note me elkie has a Computer controlled Carb. would it and the computer be able to handle a turbo system? If anybody can help steer me in the right direction that would be a big help.
August
Maybe try starting a fresh thread about it to get some more views. This theread is very old and I'm sure most aren't even bothering to follow it anymore.
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Originally posted by 83 Crossfire TA
[B]Man, there is just soooo much unbelievable BS in these STS turbo threads… at one point I read through this whole thing and started commenting on everything and then just decided what’s the point… and gave up.
[B]Man, there is just soooo much unbelievable BS in these STS turbo threads… at one point I read through this whole thing and started commenting on everything and then just decided what’s the point… and gave up.
I think thats the reason these systems recieve so little respect. There is just so much BS floating around about them, and very few facts. Thats why I built this system.
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Car: 88IROC vert and a 83 w/evo body
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I would like to know about the accual piping of your system. I don't know that much about turbo's but I do know that the turbo boosts the pressure and the BOV releases the pressure during shifts, but every time a see a set up the BOV is on another pipe going in another dirrection. I saw pitchers of under the hood of your car and the piping from the turbo to the intake was a dirrect shoot but then I see your BOV off to the side with piping running infront of your radiator, where is this piping going. I had a TT stealth and it had a vacuum silinoid for cantroling boost, does you set up have any of this. As you can see I really need help on the accual intake piping.
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I think thats the reason these systems recieve so little respect. There is just so much BS floating around about them,
>>>>>
New times for my STS'd Z71
I decided to run the truck one more time and see if the water soaking hurt anything (long story but involved suckin water into the motor). I picked up some C16 on the way there and added 5ga to about 10ga of 91 octane I already had in the tank.
The weather was great and in the 60s most of the day so I knew times would be good if the motor was not hurt too bad.
I got to the track and weighed the beast in at 5100lbs (had over half a tank of gas and my subwoofers inside). So add me in and race weight = 5250lbs
With no adjustments ecept the race gas I went
1st run:
RT: .433
60': 2.14
1/8th:8.41 @ 87.55mph
1/4: 12.92 @ 108.7mph
2nd run:
RT: .090
60': 1.80
1/8th: 7.88 @ 87.5mph
1/4: 12.40@ 108.1mph
Crawled under the truck and turn up the boost by 1psi (hard to tell)
3rd run:
RT: .042
60': 1.85
1/8th: 7.87 @ 87.88mph
1/4: 12.33 @ 110.0mph
The first 2 passes were about 13psi due to the cold temps. When I turned up the boost for the 3rd run I only saw about 13.5-14psi through most of the run but as soon as I hit 3rd gear it hit almost 15psi and stuck there. Sad this is, the 60' was worse and I was bouncing off the rev limiter on my 2nd to 3rd gear change which hurt a little too.
At that point I felt I still had enough of a cushion to try to up the boost by half a pound and the temps were getting colder so i turn up the methanol for safety and was ready to try again but recieved a call from Rick @ Synergy who had just got a call from Rick Squires (maker of STS Turbo) and I was told to shut it down and keep it in one piece. Guess there is something going on and I might need the truck to be in working order so I obeyed(sp?) and returned to the pits even though I know I could have went a little faster.
Overall I am VERY excited to finally see some decent #s. I guess the cooler temps and the race gas really did it's work. I can only imagine what I could have done had I used a wideband and some scanning software to make changes and try to max the thing out.
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Originally posted by evoluzione1
I would like to know about the accual piping of your system. I don't know that much about turbo's but I do know that the turbo boosts the pressure and the BOV releases the pressure during shifts, but every time a see a set up the BOV is on another pipe going in another dirrection. I saw pitchers of under the hood of your car and the piping from the turbo to the intake was a dirrect shoot but then I see your BOV off to the side with piping running infront of your radiator, where is this piping going. I had a TT stealth and it had a vacuum silinoid for cantroling boost, does you set up have any of this. As you can see I really need help on the accual intake piping.
I would like to know about the accual piping of your system. I don't know that much about turbo's but I do know that the turbo boosts the pressure and the BOV releases the pressure during shifts, but every time a see a set up the BOV is on another pipe going in another dirrection. I saw pitchers of under the hood of your car and the piping from the turbo to the intake was a dirrect shoot but then I see your BOV off to the side with piping running infront of your radiator, where is this piping going. I had a TT stealth and it had a vacuum silinoid for cantroling boost, does you set up have any of this. As you can see I really need help on the accual intake piping.
Sweet time from that Silverado. Maybe that will be my next remote turbo project!
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Originally posted by rtkjadams
We still need a better pump option.
Ray
We still need a better pump option.
Ray
BTW, I have added a turbo timer that just runs the electric pump after the engine is shut down. Since there is no sump under the turbo to collect the drain oil once the pump stops running, it would puff smoke when you start it up if you forgot to turn the key back on after parking it. Previously, I just cycled the key back to run for 10 seconds or so to prevent this (the oil pump runs off ignition power), but now with the turbo timer it's all automatic. Just makes it more user friendly. (I wonder if STS uses something like this, because they don't use a sump under the turbo either??). If I build another system like this, I will just fab up a small sump to fit under the turbo (see previous posts in this thread).
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what do you think of installing a little alum tranny cooler to cool down the fluid for the pump, it could also help work as a resevoir.
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Never gave it a thought that an oil cooler could double as a sump. I'm kind of liking that idea.
The turbo oil drain should always be as free flowing as possible, but in this case where we have a pump 'pulling' the oil from the turbo, I'm betting it would work fine. Can't be any worse than my oil drain- it comes out of the turbo and then goes straight up to the pump, which is mounted in the trunk (some of my earliest pics show it mounted under the spare tire well, but it was only there for a few days until I moved it into the trunk- I'm told the pump is not waterproof, so the trunk is a safe place for it).
The turbo oil drain should always be as free flowing as possible, but in this case where we have a pump 'pulling' the oil from the turbo, I'm betting it would work fine. Can't be any worse than my oil drain- it comes out of the turbo and then goes straight up to the pump, which is mounted in the trunk (some of my earliest pics show it mounted under the spare tire well, but it was only there for a few days until I moved it into the trunk- I'm told the pump is not waterproof, so the trunk is a safe place for it).
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Im thinking more along the lines of a single pass I saw a couple on ebay under $20
I searched using "transmission cooler" and "tranny cooler"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7931310550
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932245004
or with just a couple passes
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932092506
I dont know a lot about them but there are these new wierd ones thery are about $10 more
with fittings on opposite ends
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932353182
and fittings on same end
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932457247
I searched using "transmission cooler" and "tranny cooler"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7931310550
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932245004
or with just a couple passes
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932092506
I dont know a lot about them but there are these new wierd ones thery are about $10 more
with fittings on opposite ends
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932353182
and fittings on same end
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7932457247
#132
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I like those new ones with the extruded aluminum fins. They apper to be a litte heavier built. Thats a plus if it ois mounted low in the rear of a vehicle. I wonder how it's effieciency compares to a standard unit??
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Is the frothy oil going to go into one of those though?
89JYturbo- How big is the drain leading to your pump now? and does it drain down into the pump or does the pump acutlaly sit beside it and suck the oil out?
89JYturbo- How big is the drain leading to your pump now? and does it drain down into the pump or does the pump acutlaly sit beside it and suck the oil out?
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Nice work. I'm wondering though, how much lag is there? From the looks of it, you'd think that it would take forever to make some boost, but then I guess your times prove that wrong lol.
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Originally posted by 305q_ta86
Nice work. I'm wondering though, how much lag is there? From the looks of it, you'd think that it would take forever to make some boost, but then I guess your times prove that wrong lol.
Nice work. I'm wondering though, how much lag is there? From the looks of it, you'd think that it would take forever to make some boost, but then I guess your times prove that wrong lol.
When you launch from a standing start, the boost gauge may only hit 4psi or so in first gear because the engine accelerates faster than the turbo can spool in first gear. If you flat shift into second, the full 10psi is there almost immediately.
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Originally posted by nightrider87
89JYturbo- How big is the drain leading to your pump now? and does it drain down into the pump or does the pump acutlaly sit beside it and suck the oil out?
89JYturbo- How big is the drain leading to your pump now? and does it drain down into the pump or does the pump acutlaly sit beside it and suck the oil out?
Originally posted by rtkjadams
Do you have any pictures of where your pump is mounted now, and what is the part # for the pump?
Do you have any pictures of where your pump is mounted now, and what is the part # for the pump?
BTW- I'm planning to drag race the Z24 again tomorro, so we'll try for some even better times!
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Originally posted by 89JYturbo
I will try to get some more pics of it. I think I'm going to start a new thread though, since I have already used my 3-pic limit here.
I will try to get some more pics of it. I think I'm going to start a new thread though, since I have already used my 3-pic limit here.
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Car: 89 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: Intercooled Twin Turbo LQ4
Transmission: Tremec TKO 600
Here is a picture of the trunk mounted oil pump. The heat sinks were removed so you can see the label and PN (8000-643-236). You can also see the components of muy homemade boost controller (the vacuum solenoid and bleed valve for the adjustable Stage II setting).
Notice that the pump is not mounted solidly to the floor. This is simply because the hydraulic hoses I used were too stiff and did not allow the pump to lie flat. It I did this install again, I would use 90° fittings on the pump inlet and outlet for a cleaner installation.
Notice that the pump is not mounted solidly to the floor. This is simply because the hydraulic hoses I used were too stiff and did not allow the pump to lie flat. It I did this install again, I would use 90° fittings on the pump inlet and outlet for a cleaner installation.
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From: SE PA, USA
Car: 89 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: Intercooled Twin Turbo LQ4
Transmission: Tremec TKO 600
Results from the race today at Maple Grove:
We had beautiful racing weather, and some pretty good air (61°F, but it was quite warm in the sun).
My best ET of the day was a 14.085 @ 97.91, 2.104 60'. The trap speed was low because the clutch was slipping. I rode the clutch out on the launch to keep the tires from spinning, and apperently I let the clutch slip too much, because it didn't pull the rpms below 5k for the rest of the run! I wasn't sure if I should stay in it with the clutch slipping like that, but of course I didn't lift! I guess once the clutch got hot on the launch, it couldn't do it's job for the rest of the run. I was wondering how long the clutch was going to last, as I bought the car with 107,000 miles on it, and haven't touched the clutch since (it turned 181,000 miles on the way to the track- there are now 8k miles on the turbo system!).
The next run, I held the RPM at 3k, and launched by side stepping the clutch. The clutch didn't slip this time, and niether did the tires. It bogged the engine down below 2k rpm, and I got a nasty 2.399 60'. But, I got my best ever trap speed- 14.134@102.98 . I can';t wait to see what it will run with a nice, clean run. I just can't seem to pull one off. Of course, a new clutch will make it easier, but I honestly feel even with this clutch it should have been able to beat my best run of 13.9@99mph.
We had beautiful racing weather, and some pretty good air (61°F, but it was quite warm in the sun).
My best ET of the day was a 14.085 @ 97.91, 2.104 60'. The trap speed was low because the clutch was slipping. I rode the clutch out on the launch to keep the tires from spinning, and apperently I let the clutch slip too much, because it didn't pull the rpms below 5k for the rest of the run! I wasn't sure if I should stay in it with the clutch slipping like that, but of course I didn't lift! I guess once the clutch got hot on the launch, it couldn't do it's job for the rest of the run. I was wondering how long the clutch was going to last, as I bought the car with 107,000 miles on it, and haven't touched the clutch since (it turned 181,000 miles on the way to the track- there are now 8k miles on the turbo system!).
The next run, I held the RPM at 3k, and launched by side stepping the clutch. The clutch didn't slip this time, and niether did the tires. It bogged the engine down below 2k rpm, and I got a nasty 2.399 60'. But, I got my best ever trap speed- 14.134@102.98 . I can';t wait to see what it will run with a nice, clean run. I just can't seem to pull one off. Of course, a new clutch will make it easier, but I honestly feel even with this clutch it should have been able to beat my best run of 13.9@99mph.
Last edited by 89JYturbo; 11-06-2004 at 04:46 PM.
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I know this is not a real good idea but the turbo Saab I had would build some nice boost if I held the e-brake and slipped the clutch just enough to get the boost started, good enough to frag the trans twice.
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Originally posted by Mike-91 Formula 350
I know this is not a real good idea but the turbo Saab I had would build some nice boost if I held the e-brake and slipped the clutch just enough to get the boost started, good enough to frag the trans twice.
I know this is not a real good idea but the turbo Saab I had would build some nice boost if I held the e-brake and slipped the clutch just enough to get the boost started, good enough to frag the trans twice.
I forgot to mention the water/alky injection system I added. When I get more time, I will start a new thread detailing my alky injection system (it cost less than $140 complete). During the summer, the premium fuel was enough to keep out of detonation at 10psi. As the fall came in and the weather cooled off, I was getting some detonation at higher rpms, and noticed the O2 readings were starting to go leaner (.800 range). The alcohol adds a little fuel, and the water prevents detonation. Remember- I have to play it safe, as it is my ride to work every day!
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From: Bethlehem, PA
Car: 1999 Cavalier Z24, and a '52 Chevy 2 door
Engine: 2.4 twin cam for the Z24, and 350 Chevy coming for the ol 52
Transmission: 5 speed in the Z, and 3 speed in the 52
89JYTURBO, I heard you "met" my buddy Joe in his Sunfire in the lancaster area on the highway. He was pretty impressed how easily you toasted him, lol. I just got IM'ed by a mutual friend of ours to give me the news that you were spotted. Still interested in the project, but I have too many other projects giong on right now.
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Going to be trying this on my '97 Chevy 1500 4x4. Picked up a 12 valve cummins turbo for $150, vortech adjustible FMU for under $50, found this "oil return pump"
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/mocal1.htm
will be putting the MAF/IAT on the inlet side of turbo and use 2.5" exhaust tubing from turbo back to intake. Not sure if I need the inline fuel pump that Vortech sells with their supercharger, but I'm only shooting for 5psi.
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/mocal1.htm
will be putting the MAF/IAT on the inlet side of turbo and use 2.5" exhaust tubing from turbo back to intake. Not sure if I need the inline fuel pump that Vortech sells with their supercharger, but I'm only shooting for 5psi.
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Originally posted by jbeier
89JYTURBO, I heard you "met" my buddy Joe in his Sunfire in the lancaster area on the highway. He was pretty impressed how easily you toasted him, lol. I just got IM'ed by a mutual friend of ours to give me the news that you were spotted. Still interested in the project, but I have too many other projects giong on right now.
89JYTURBO, I heard you "met" my buddy Joe in his Sunfire in the lancaster area on the highway. He was pretty impressed how easily you toasted him, lol. I just got IM'ed by a mutual friend of ours to give me the news that you were spotted. Still interested in the project, but I have too many other projects giong on right now.
No offense to him or his ride, but that was a pretty easy race- I wondered if he was actaully in it!
I feel guilty racing on the street, but I just can't resist sometimes!
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Car: 89 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: Intercooled Twin Turbo LQ4
Transmission: Tremec TKO 600
This is why that Sunfire was toasted so easily:
Replaced 185k mile 2.8 with an '02 3400 V6 from a Venture van:
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/3400swap/Complete%203400%20Engine%20Bay%201.jpg" height=480 width=640>
Replaced seriously undersized Garrett TBO3 45 Trim with a T3/T4 hybrid (TO4B V trim compressor and T3 stage II .63 A/R turbine) and an external Tial wastegate:
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/Phase%20II%20RMT%20System/Z24%20RMT-2%20Phase2.jpg" height=480 width=640>
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/Phase%20II%20RMT%20System/Z24%20RMT-3%20Phase2.jpg" height=480 width=640>
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/Phase%20II%20RMT%20System/Z24%20RMT-6%20Phase2.jpg" height=480 width=640>
Replaced 185k mile 2.8 with an '02 3400 V6 from a Venture van:
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/3400swap/Complete%203400%20Engine%20Bay%201.jpg" height=480 width=640>
Replaced seriously undersized Garrett TBO3 45 Trim with a T3/T4 hybrid (TO4B V trim compressor and T3 stage II .63 A/R turbine) and an external Tial wastegate:
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/Phase%20II%20RMT%20System/Z24%20RMT-2%20Phase2.jpg" height=480 width=640>
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/Phase%20II%20RMT%20System/Z24%20RMT-3%20Phase2.jpg" height=480 width=640>
<img src="http://www.khturbo.net/images/Z24images/Phase%20II%20RMT%20System/Z24%20RMT-6%20Phase2.jpg" height=480 width=640>