MattW

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this guy is from either north carolina or south carolina.....i forget
but he had a grudge match at the local drag strip and won like 8000 dalla!!

he said it was worth the trip........i doubt he is on this message board

MattW

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dont know how to add more than one pic so here is rear shot of the car!

89ProchargedROC

OMG

that looks exactly like the same firebird that came out to our local street racing events around by me

*if* this is the same guy that came to the US41 StreetCarChaos he's flyn'

i cant tell you his times but i have a good idea of what it runs but he had a stock hood at the time and this has a cowl

new87

You think thats Jerry's old car?

89ProchargedROC

no

i met the kid who bought the car from Jerry and he is in the chicagoland area still

This was someone from the chitownracing.com boards that came from north carolina to race at SCC that looks identical to this car except the hood and i dont remember the wheels on it

MattW

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oh man.......yah i go to us41 and that is where this guy raced!!!
but this is what his car looked like when he raced.....cuz i saw his car the day b4 the race and the day after

i took the pics over the end of summer...like july or august or so...........so maybe some of you did see him

MattW

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hey 89ProchargedROC

since you are in the chicagoland area you should check out the NW indiana and chicago suburbs.......we are gonna have a meeting this spring and have some racing and other stuff

since yours is procharged it would prolly b one of the fastest cars there......

89ProchargedROC

i'm not procharged anymore

this year when i come out i'll have a little smallblock with some spray for certain $$$ occasions

there are some really fast cars out around here, much faster than you think.

takes a lot of hp to hang with these guys

crazeinc

I remember heading out to Doty with them and they were all talking about how this guy was barely on it even with his competition spotted really far out.

MattW

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i dont know

i just saw the car and took some pics and talked to the guy

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Thats not an 84.

MattW

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well one of the things i asked the guy was what year it was
and he said it was a 84......it has the same wing as my 84....but it does have the different brake light assembly and gfx.......but ya know he coulda just put those on cuz he likes the way they look.....im thinkin bout doin both of those things to my 84......

360Iroc

tru that just becasue it dosnt look like one dosnt mean it s not

88_RS&86_Z-28

is that or was that a Colorado plate on the rear of that bird cuz it sure looks like one of the new ones around here? did he say where he was from?




:hail: :lala:

MattW

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i remember him saying he was from either NORTH or SOUTH carolina.......i think NORTH......but not colorado

SSC

Diddo that looks like the same plate I have on my bird. Ok its my car, J/K. looks killer

SSC

german-motorsport

Can you send us more pics of that car?
Any 1/4 mls times????
Thanks in advance!

89ProchargedROC

read the above

sorry

MattW

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sorry dont know what he ran
yah i have 2 more pics

MattW

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sorry messed up on this one

MattW

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here it is

Jims83TA

It could very well be an '84....actually a great possibility....Ill show you what my '83 TA looks like. Here is a pic:

Jims83TA

and the rear:

Jims83TA

and the side....lol...sry for posting so many pics....HOW DO YOU POST MORE THAN ONE PIC AT ONCE IN ONE REPLY?????

Thanks.

here is the side:

Jade Grey

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That license plate is definitely South Carolina. Notice the large palmetto tree in the center. It's the clearest in the last shot fom the rear. I just had to clear that fact up.

Cool drag car though, I wish I knew the guy.

twistedwedge

anybody know where he got that hood? I want that hood! looks like a 4" cowl. :hail: bad *** car, wish someone knew what the car runs ET wise.

Z Yaa!

"240z" a user from Chitown said that the T/A is for sale as a roller for $6000.00. Car is very nice (as you can tell) and has a lot of nice parts. When that car was at the Chaos, it definitely ran well!

german-motorsport

Zya can you connect me somehow to "240Z"???
Or the owner of the car?

Z Yaa!

I looked for his Email address on www.chitownracing.com but was unable to find it. Chitown uses a form to submit an email. I emailed him and I will let you know when he responds.

TheButcher

Ley's keep this one at the top, I want to know where to get one of those hoods also!

9.0L Firebird

NY street driven 7 second car

bjm323

How streetable are you talking. I'm building a '91 RS with the target et being in the low 8s. Don't think that it is going to be even close to being "streetable." What is your combination? If you don't mind me asking. Also, I'm interested in the parts list for the rack and pinion setup. Email me at bjm323@yahoo.com.

9.0L Firebird

When the car had a 454 in it, I would average about 200 miles a week in the summer. same rear suspension. I will agree that since going to the 632 the street days are limited. New Combination: New 632" BBC with pontiac big chief heads, single 1250 dominator and fogger N2O system on a brodix big duke manifold. Powerglide trans with 4,000 stall converter to 9" ford rear w/ 4.11 gears. rear tires are 16x32 gy slicks or 21.5x33 MT sportsman tires. this the third drivetrain in the car and each one seems to get more radical and less streetable.

Dan

www.nescaracing.com

bjm323

I can't tell from the pictures, Is that a 25.1 backhalf? I trying to run mid to low 8s. My engine is a Keith Black aluminum block 447, Dart 320s ported by FasttimeMotorworks. Victor intake modified for FAST injection and dry flow NOS fogger. Powerglide with Neal Chance 4000 stall convertor. Ford 9" with 4.56 or 4.88 gears. I know I'm going to have to spray it hard. Old style 10.5w car. No backhalf. Just 4-link with original sub-frame still there. Think I have a chance?? Motor is 4.350 bore 3.750 stroke. I know I'm behind the times but I can only build it a little at a time. By the way beautiful car.

SUPER CHEVY66

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I think you have a chance i am planning on running 8 flat and faster but ill have over 1,700 horse to the rear wheels with a rodeck or donovan alum block w/oliver mains 427 cid sbc, crower ti crank, oliver ti rods, custom forged je pistions, brodix alum 18 degree heads fully modified, brodix alum 18 degree intake converted to 4bbl efi w/ 2000 cfm tb, dual stage nos, and a set of twin turbos.

9.0L Firebird

In fact it took 8 years. As I said earlier, this is the third drivetrain in the car. I would have liked to have started with the 632, but I wanted to run the car with limited $. started with the 454 (all I could afford at the time) saved parts for a 540, built that and ran it for two years, at the time (1999) a nitroused 540 was in the game for englishtown Q8, but since then the times have dropped a half second from 8.40s to 7.90s (average). I could have sprayed the 540 to death, but sold it and stepped up to the 632 (used). Regarding your other question, the car is not 25.1C. Believe it or not the car is a home built back half using Ed Quay components. We built the car like an NHRA super stock car (factory floor, firewall and complete interior including factory dash and tilt steering). With lights, alternator, CD player and a 16 gallon fuel cell it isn't a trailer queen either. I have some new motor pics from this weekend that I will post later today.
Dan

btw, check out www.nescaracing.com Particularly the Q8 page for 4 more 600"+ third gen F bodies. John Schroeder (615"), Tony Ammons (615") , Richie George (588"), Jorge Rodriguez (648")

9.0L Firebird

BJM 323, take a look at chuck samuels (fast times) purple 92 camaro Super street car mini tubs, 4 link, 450" bbc on nitrous 7.80s all day. the key that I found out is that a smart racer/tuner is always faster that some idiot with too much $$ that doesn't have a clue where to start. buying the stuff is easy, making it work is what separates the fast guys from the big $ teams. Remember terry robbins winning orlando 10.5 three years ago? box nova with ladder bars in a 100+ car field of 600" 4 link cars. A lot can be learned from the outlaw 10.5 guys about how to go fast without huge $$.

9.0L Firebird

bjm323

Yeah, Chuck was running a 450 cu. in. One big difference though. He was running a big bore, little stroke motor with Big Chief heads. I wished I had went that route. I started this car 4 yrs. ago. Just buying parts as I could afford them. Not getting very far as I am not getting any overtime for 2 yrs now. Hey, I been to your site. Is it still under construction? Can't seem to find the page you are talking about. As for the for sale section, the big block information page keeps coming up. Also, can't find the information on parts for switching to a rack and pinion. Are you running Ed Quay headers on the car? Those are the headers I have. Terrible news about Steve Grebeck. He was the man when it came to street legal racing. He is going to be missed by all. May he rest in peace.

9.0L Firebird

I was running the Jack Davis headers, I think they fit better on the BBC combo. The big bore short stroke will give you some very high revs, but will cut the torque. On a nitrous motor, I would rather use the torque and keep the revs under 8,000 rpm. The steering assembly for sale is a manual steering box (S10) ed quay idler arm and ed quay bumpsteer kit with centerlink that I took off to put in the rack.

the formatting may be tough to read, or recheck the link @ www.nescaracing.com/forsale

Parts for sale
BBC 454 short block, std bore, 10.2:1 TRW forged pistons, GM steel crank, 7/16 rods (LS6) , Milodon pan, Fluidampr, Crane street roller cam & lifters (246*/256* .615 lift), Cloyes chain, melling pump, $2,400

BBC 990 heads , square port open chamber, SS valves w/ comp cams springs (street roller or mech cam (max .670 lift)), ready to bolt on $700

BBC 292 heads oval port open chamber, fresh valve job, $250
BBC Merlin oval port heads, bare, clean up ported $600
BBC Pete Jackson Gear drive and install kit $50
Holley 850 Race 4 barrel #9380, annular boosters, 4 corner idle $250
TH400 w/ TCI trans brake, deep alum cast pan, sold
TCI 10” converter turbo spline, #242002, anti-balloon plate, stalled 4,200 w/ BBC above $200
Hoosier 16x33 slicks, off dragster, ½ used $100 pr
Centerline Pro-Stock wheels 15x4 4 ¾ BC (GM Pattern) & M/T street tires $200 pr
Goodyear racing tubes (fits 14x32 + larger) $25 3/$50
Aluminum wing for 82-92 F body (Polished, bolt on non-adjustable) $50
Ed Quay K member for 82-92 F body – deep center fits almost all oil pans $200
B&M Prostick shifter (3spd plates fwd&rev), fwd or reverse cable exit, 2 cables (1 new), with al covers & al mount $150
2 ¼ BBC headers for 82-92 Fbody 4” collector HPC coated (motor plate fit) $250
2” x 2 1/8” BBC Jack Davis step headers 82-92 Fbody 3.5” collector $350
3.5” exhaust w/ h pipe for above headers w/ 3.5” dynomax bullet mufflers $100
Cragar super trick wheels 15x14 4.5/4.75 BC 5” BS (w/ lugs) see next item $150pr
Goodyear 16x32 slicks used (w/ tubes on wheels above $200) $75
Barry Grant BG 400 good shape sold
Holley blue pump 110 gph w/ fram canister filter $75
Strange 31 spline race axles 9” ford big bearing 18”+24” fits 39” housing or 44” drum to drum $200
Th400 driveshaft w/spicer yoke 1350 front 1330 rear (Driveshaft shop) 42” $150
BBC flowcooler water pump (like new) $40
20” flex fan stainless steel w/ spacer $20
Carrera aluminum coil over shocks (3 way adjustable w/ dyno sheets) $200 pr
JW “The Wheel” HD flexplate chevy internal bal (two teeth missing on ring) $50

CHEVY 400, JE PISTONS 30 OVER 15.3 TO 1 WITH 58CC HEAD 7 RUNS LIKE NEW
(400)FIRM
CHEVY 400, OLIVER BILLET RODS 6INCH ,OLIVER TORQUE WAVE ROD BOLTS 700$ FIRM.
CHEVY 400, ROTATING ASSEMBLY EAGLE H-BEAM ROD 5.7, SCAT CRANK, JE/SRP PISTON
30 OVER, 10.5 TO 1 ALL BALANCED(800)FIRM.

bjm323

I used to have all the Ed Quay stuff on my car. I didn't like the fit of anything. What k-member are you running now? I purchased a PA racing crossmember with rack mounts. I agree about the torque but I can't have too much torque with a small tire car. Hopefully, I will get most of the car done this year and be ready to go by fall. What are you using for struts up front? I was thinking of going with AJE double adj. with 3" travel. The only problem with that is they are a little expensive. What is the weight of your car? Right now I'm in the process of cutting anything unecessary off. Hoping to get the weight down to 3000# with me in it.

9.0L Firebird

the PA k member is an extra deep drop center for oil pan clearance (I run a dry sump). the rack went in relatively easily. I tried an AJE K and couldn't get it to fit (sent back). I am estimating the weight @ 2,900 lbs plus my 200lbs. I will scale this weekend and see. not bad for an all steel BB car with oem glass. I have about 75 lbs left of easy stuff to change/cut before it gets expensive. looked @ the AJE struts , ask what cartridges they use (gabriel non -adjustable ) . two problems: 1. with a narrow tire car like yours you may want/need more extension than 3". 2. A mustang crashed @ the nsca opener @ palm beach two weeks ago when both AJE struts broke in half at the top end of the run at 160mph!. I looked into Santhuff struts last year : spindle mount with wilwood brakes and A arm kit for $2,200, a better deal if your class allows full on spindle mount struts. Santhuff valving is better than anything short of a Lamb strut. I am using Koni orange / red SPA1 struts with a PA coil over kit and they work OK for now. (bought used)

bjm323

Thanks for the 411 on AJE. The only requirements are that the front suspension be that of bolt on only. When using the Santhuff struts, would you have to weld the upper mount to the cage front bars? I see that is what the Pelech Bros. are using in their Camaro. I have a set of Lakewood 90/10 with Morrison coilover kits and lower control arms now. Somehow, I think I'm going to need more adjustability in the front suspension with a small tire car. Also, I figured I could lose some more weight going with a different strut setup.

9.0L Firebird

Santhuff struts can be ordered for a true bolt in, they will meet all class requirements for factory mounting points. In hindsight I should have gone with the santhuffs. The morrison kit is excellent but pricey. I have no use for 90/10s on anything faster than an 11 second car. Truechoice makes an excellent double adjustable koni-based strut for F bodies but @ $400 each they aren't cheap.

bjm323

9.0L Firebird, Do you have any information on the Santhuff struts or a website or number for someone to call that would know what I need? I think I might be interested in the wing you have. Why aren't you using it? Think I would need it for my application? I think it can only be 12 or 13" from transition point on the body. The $2200.00 price you referred to on the struts, did that include the brakes and a-arms?

9.0L Firebird

Santhuff has a business card ad in the back of every National Dragster. no website. The $2,200 price was (last year) for struts, coil over springs, wilwood single piston caliper brakes, and an A arm kit (you make). You will need an overall strut length (measure the spindle to the to attachment point @ ride height). the wait was about 6 weeks and was made to order. just bear in mind that this is hardcore racing stuff, so if you are looking for a bolt on with no welding or fabricating keep looking, this isn't it.

Dan

www.nescaracing.com

9.0L Firebird

The wing was bought from another racer. I went with the Ed Quay wing. When you get over 160mph, wings need to be supported in the middle. the strut kit was $150, a new adjustable wing with struts was $325 so I bought a new one. I believe the wing for sale is 12" off the decklid (relatively small).

bjm323

Other than the a-arms, what other welding(fabricating) has to be done? Will the strut will still attach to the stock upper mount? On a previous post you stated santhuff struts can be ordered for a true bolt in application. I don't mind the fabricating, just trying to find the best suspension for the car. From what i gather, you would recommend a different wing?

9.0L Firebird

you will have to make A arms. Not a job that I have done before. I can do basic mig welding, but tig welding a set of A arms is beyond my skill set. Your best bet is to call Santhuff and get the info direct. The wing will work, its a question of how fast you intend to go (MPH) and what your budget will allow for.

www.edquay.com

bjm323

Well, the budget is starting to wear a little thin. I plan on being around the 160 to 165 mph range. Could I add the struts to the wing later on down the road? Also, do you have the number for Santhuff? I do not get National Dragster. Thanks again.