fasteddi

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First, I know that this isn't acurate at all compard to good track time slips.....But without me saying what I think it will do or what times im aiming at, can you guys take a peak at this excel log and think of a rough estimate on time.

Row 25 through Row 123 are the rows of WOT from when I let off the brake to when hit 100Mph. It was a flat flat road, and was a decent start for a un-preped surface, and the tune on the car is conservitive for now.

Heres the math:
0-100Mph in 15.71 seconds.
0-95Mph in 14.25 seconds
0-90Mph in 12.94 seconds

Thanks for any input as I CAN WAIT to hit the track but im just trying to get a rough estimate of what this car can do now. Dont laugh to hard its a lil 3.1L V6 and went constant high 16.XX's last year, before my winter mods. Last years 0-100Mph time was about 28 seconds(now thats painful!!!)

AlkyIROC

zero to xxx mph doesn't mean much when you want to know what it does in a 1/4 mile. Turbo cars will generally mph higher than a NA car.

You would be better off finding a long straight stretch of empty highway and put some marks 1/4 mile apart then try to stopwatch yourself between the marks. Won't be accurate but would give you a ballpark number.

xpndbl3

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I usually run 14.2@92mph, so that should give you some indication of what I'm guessing. But if I had to put a time on your car I'd say 14.68@92.5mph

fasteddi

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I totally understand that but Im just guessing if the cars in the 14.0, 14.5, 15, or 15.5 second area.

1987 Grand national stock run 14.4 @94Mph and there times are almost the same at the times I read (0-60,0-70,0-80..exc MPH). But like I said im just woundering, you alll know how that goes after you do some big mods on your cars in the winter. And I've got that drag racing itch right now.

Im just so anxious to see what it will do. April 14th ill have some slips as long as its nice that day!!

mw66nova

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pics of the setup?

fasteddi

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Yea heres one(dont mind all the zip tie ends), its an auto, weighs 3300lbs with me in the car, 3.23 rear end. Under k-member exhaust. Not the best way to do it but this was my first turbo and my fab skills are not well enough to make up real headers at this point.

project89

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those 3:23 gears are hurting u looking over the datalogs the car just noses over hard when u hit high gear

3:73's would help that thing out alot

id also get a governer kit for the trans and adjust the shift points so it makes the 1-2 shift @ 6,000 and the 2-3 shift around 6,400

with 3:73's and those shiftpoint would put the motor right into the sweet spot on the shift

project89

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looking at the logs again u need to get that boost control working right u never even hit full boost in first gear

heres a graph as the trans shifts ull notice the rate of acceleration is going down pretty fast

u also need some more timing uptop 18* isnt going to cut it above 4,500 rpms

next mods should be a set of 3:42's or 3:73's
start calling up junkyards and looking for a posi rear out of an z-28 or iroc just make sure its not a 2:73 or 3:23 rear, a 2.8v6 car will have a 3:42 rear gear but no posi
i ran 4:10's in my car and that car knocks on 11 sec passes but i dont recomend that steep for u since u dont have a large enough cam or converter to take advantage of a 4:10 gear

mw66nova

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Cool budget build. Looks like you're doing it the right way.

fasteddi

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Thanks, I really do appreciate it!

@dave, I have been looking arround for a posi rear. I know that mine I have no isn't going to perform like I want. Junk yards arround here are sad, but Im sure i'll find one soon!

I got the boost controler back on track and its spooled completly up to 10.5 psi by 4200Rpms' in 1st gear, makes 8Psi@ 3200 Rpms in 1st gear. Im sure if I could spool it up at the launch it would really get going faster. How well do these 10bolt rearends handle launches before they gernade?

Whats the best rear ends they put in thirdgens, that is posi??? 3.23, 3.42????

I know i can feel the power fall a little bit at those higher RPMs, I think its the timing also, Im so use to makeing the SA and VE tables curve at the middle rpms like I did when it was in its N/A form... Sometimes I forget the cars power curve is so much different when its boosted.

fasteddi

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Also I am dealing with less ground clearence then normal when it comes to the exhaust.

What struts would you guys reccomend at the track but that are still stiffer then the crappy monroe ones I have on the front.

I dont ever have a problem with clearence...yet but it worries me when im moving at 65mph+ on any back rode.

Im not to concerned at this time, as the drag strip is all flat as a mirror and so are most of the roads arround here, but I just was entertaining the idea down the road, as EVERY thirdgen ive ridden in or owned always floated like a boat when it was moving at 65, 70, 100Mph. Or mabey ill just deal with it for now till i get a turbo header made up for that passenger side......dave(project89) im thinking of you when entertain the turbo header idea!

project89

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leave the front stuts alone, worn out front sturts will be good for the track.

get urself a set of summit racing 3 way adjustable rear shocks, i used to run those untill i broke one and summit took them back and upgraded them to ce enginering 3 way adjjustable shocks for me for free.

i did a quick search on summit but couldnt find them but give them a call and they will get u the right ones, if i remember right they were about 32$'s each, check on the price of the ce enginering shocks too i think they were only a few bucks more each
its going to be a few weeks before i become a site sponsor im about to move into a new 3br house so im holding off on the sponsership till im settled in

fasteddi

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Ok dave. Yea i know that the soft front struts do help a nice smooth launch, Im fine for clearence as long as I dont go flying down a back road, which once the track opens I wont be doing my tuning out here in the country..

Look at this launch...and thats a 16.8 second or so run. So glad the cars faster now!!



Laugh it up V8 guys... It was a slow slow car before theres no doubt of that.

project89

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needs moar powah

xpndbl3

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car squats at the hit? Needs LCA relocation brackets

project89

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my car eventually got a pair of them, didnt have them when those pics were taken though. they really helped out with my excessive wheelhop issues as well

fasteddi

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Im trying to pep this lil motor up(dave). I know being faster doesnt matter when your ET drag racing, but man it was embarrasing barly running a 16 second pass in a camaro. And on hot days running 17's...yea thats really sad. But those days are behind me now. Now its gonna scoot down that track quite a bit faster I hope.

project89

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i wouldnt worry about making the engine mor epowerful, instead start putting money into the chassi and driveline.

start with some sfc's lca relocation brackets etc these will make the car faster and more consitant

my car would be nowere near as fast as it is if i never touched the driveline or chassi, nor would it ever cut a 1.80 60" ft time on a 255 street tire

the 3 biggest things i can think of that will help u out big time would be lca reloc brackets , sfc's and a new high stall converter, though the converter is the most exspensive thing out of all, but i have a hookup at tci so if u decide to get a converter let me put in a call for ya and i can prolly get it for ya for about 200 bucks off list

fasteddi

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OK dave, I really appreciate it on the stall conv. Im going to get it out on the track and see how it goes, I do have SFC on the car, I got them last summer so that I didnt have to worrie about the body getting tore up, since I did plan on the turbo last summer, but that plan had to take a back burner for a bit.

I think the next thing even before the stall is a rear end, and then the LCA relocation stuff(they help stop well hop right?)

project89

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yeah they stop the wheelhop, founders performance has them for 47$'s

fasteddi

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Thats all?? Cheeper then I though

project89

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there prices on everything is pretty damn good

1gary

Now that is clean and just sweet looking.

project89

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heya fast
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...ing-3-way.html

fasteddi

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Thanks!!!

fasteddi

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Thanks dave, i posted on there, well see what happends

fasteddi

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Ok well 14 days till the track opens and I have been dealing with tuning issues, but I managed to make a few runs on a perfect drag racing road today. Went 14.75@100.0Mph and a 14.74@101.2 Mph this afternoon on a really conservitive tune @10.88 Commanded PSI.

Tuner pro is on average of .10 of a second slower, so g-tech says its faster and I really dont care if its really close or far off of track times. This stuffs just to help me tune the car.

Ive been useing that g-tech and recording on tunerpro just to see if what I tune to works better or not.

But still I hope my dreams at a 14 second pass in this V6 car will come true in a few days if the weather co-operates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrFq...ature=youtu.be

xpndbl3

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BOOM! everyone ignored me and i was the closest to guessing what you'd run......

project89

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its going to be faster then u think fast, my 13.001 was only 104.65 mph, so if ur actually traping 100mph'ish id expect around a 13.5

infact i think when my car went 13.4 it was around 101mph
but at the same time my first pass with the car was also a 14.0@98 so it really depends on how everthing works together and the driver

mw66nova

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It's going to depend on converter and spool time too. We just took a car out to the track that went 14.95@97mph cause of the stock converter and gearing. no traction issues, it just simply wouldn't accelerate the first 100 ft or so

fasteddi

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I totally understand that, my gears are low 3.23 ones. But I never got the chance to spool it up much at the start as Im not taking slicks on the road obvously. For what its worth the car was making mid 2.20's in the 0-60 ft times last year at the track before the turbo. I was launching @ 2kRpms when it was in its N/A form last year. 1st gear is so short on the 700r4 which comes in handy at times.

project89

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i think compared to my car the stock coverter will help him.
with my coverter i firmly belive i was blowing threw it pretty bad once the turbo was fully spooled, even though tci looked at the converter and said it was all good


not to mention the fact the car dynoed 270rwhp and can run almost 12.0 ( converter unlocked)

i dont belive those 3:23 gears are going to be any good for you though,my personal opinion is u should be going to a 3:42 or 3:73 gear preferably the 3:73

fasteddi

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I know dave, I think they(the 3.23's) are holding me back too. Thats on the list of stuff I want by then end of the season. Like the video? Now I need some track ones to back up what I hope will happen.

fasteddi

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Well in about 12 days well see what she does at the track, but im feeling better now that it will run a very very low 15 sec pass or faster now

Street Lethal

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I agree with Matt. TTA's come with a 2600-RPM converter w/3.27 gears, and there are guys on the Buick boards that have pushed them deep into the 11's, stock...

fasteddi

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Update, as Dave and Rob know, I am going to pick up a little higher stall converter today(hopefully).

That should help as I have a really good feeling that im just blowing through the stock one I currently have.

project89

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u shoudl bump the boost up to around 15/16psi when u go,hopefully that converter will help u out a good bit, im still thinking that converter is nothing more then a stock s10 converter. but for 108$ it wont hurt to try

mw66nova

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You will likely blow through any $108 converter you can find too...man I really recommend getting a decent converter, especially if you're plan is to bracket race this car with any consistency.

fasteddi

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Very hard to find a 3.1L V6 camaro converter that doesn't cost as much as the car. Thats the only reason im going with this converter and that it has a 1000Rpm higher stall then the stock one.

Its a fresh one so It'll have to do for now untill I can find a company that even makes one, and that is somewhat affordible and not total overkill on the stall speed.

Ive been racing this car for a good 8 years and though it was mainly stock im sure this old stock converter is really tired

Keep in mind that I really doubt im pushing more then 230-250Hp at the moment. With my injectors limiting me to 270Hp max, I think that this converter will help for awhile till I can really get the car set up the way I want, which cost ALOT more$$$

BUT who knows as I might blow through that converter in no time at all, I hope not, but its definitly in the back of my head.

project89

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the converter he is getting is a replacement converter, not an aftermarket unit,its just a high stall out of a pickup truck, i ran an oem s10 unit and i loved it till i started making some real power then it slipped horribly,

tci has discontinued the v6 27 spline 9.5 inch converter which is what i run and it is a badass converter, i had mine restalled to 4,500 rpms.
when i calle dup and ordered mine years ago the guy on the phone was shocked and said they hadnt sold one of those in years, and that was about 5years ago so its no surprised they stopped making it.
list price was 550$'s

vig and one other company that i know of makes converters that fit but they all start at around 500 bucks

his only other option is a cheap 9inch v8 converter that is 27 spline to use one of those the crank pilot would have to be turned down from 1.703 crank pilot to .825 crank pilot. then after that the flexplate would have to be drilled for a 10.7 inch bolt circle the v6 mounting holes are on a 9.8inch mounting circle

fasteddi

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Yea its just a replacement but I really dont know what else to get. $500+ is alot for a converter. And its worth a shot in the dark, its "suppose to be better" then stock but we all know thats probly B.S and it stalls higher. If this converter blows through like the old one I have now, im going to seriously wounder why did I start modding this V6 so heavly if I can't afford the parts to support it.

project89

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if it blows threw the converter just out ur stocker back in, the converter u have now iwll work, the only reason u are changing is to make it more efficient and to go faster. other then that there is no real need fpor u to upgrade

modding a v6 car can be cheap or exspensive depending on how far u want to go

Street Lethal

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Mark, stalling higher is a good thing. Blowing through a converter means your engine is making a lot more torque but it is matched with a converter that flashes too low. Your stocker normally flashes at 1500-RPM stock, but it now flashes at 2400-RPM and feels like it is holding back when you launch with it, and this has happened after you added the turbo charger. That is what we refer to as blowing through, the sprag in the stock converter is probably shot. You want a replacement converter that stalls higher as horsepower and torque increase. The Pro-King is designed to stall higher, and that will benefit you. Stalling higher with a converter designed to stall higher doesn't mean your blowing though...

fasteddi

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Ok Rob, I did get the tranny out this evening. And I also got the new converter today. I plan to get the new converter in the car on friday if at all possible.

In you experience is my chip/tune going to be bad now? Since the stall will be higher and the load more @ low MPH? Im just thinking it may be exspecially with the Wastegate DC on the Ecm. Not that its that big of a deal to tune, I was just curious.

The first chance to take it down the strip is coming up in a week. Im excited but also I will not rush this as I Do Not want to hurt the car because I was in a rush.

fasteddi

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Today was a dud on hoping id make it down the track as it rained all day. Tommorow im going to a different drag strip, not the best one but I am spoiled at Summit motosports park. So hopefully Ill get in a run tommorow, as the weather is suppose to be 80 but windy so we may only run 1/8 mile. But im hoping for 1/4 miles.

The new converter really helps get it up to speed quick. 0-60mph times all under 6 sec range and closer to 5.7 on average with a ok launch on the street. So wish me luck and I really hope to toss up a 14 second slip tommorow.

fasteddi

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Heres the best pass of the day. I spun everytime and had a passenger. So I was so happy to see mid low 14's. The best pass of the day was this and the worse was a 14.69 with a really really bad launch. I plan to get the slicks mounted and balanced before I take the car to the track again.

Heres one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeuz8Im_vlg This was the best pass

And heres the slip for that pass:

mw66nova

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excellent job. the mph says it'll go 13's with traction. get it back to the track soon with a good tire, i'm interested to see how repeatable the car is in a bracket situation.

project89

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i think he will need atleast one season of racing before he become consitant with it,air temps and launch are going to play a huge role in how consitant the car will be. its going to take a while to get the launch down pat, and to relize what air temps will do to the et's


some more tunning and boost and that thing will be a reliable 12 second car

fasteddi

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Traction!! Just need to get some rims, mount and balance and off we go.

fasteddi

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I totally agree Dave, I know the car will take time to get consistant. This year I just want to continue to cut good bulbs which I can do. And just learn the car. Next year will be the test to see how consistant this car will be exspecially in a Round Robbin situation were I have NO time to cool the car down to where I want it.


Heres the best RT I got but spun the tires HORRIBLY. This time I was ready to go as the 3rd bulb at the track was weird, it was dimmer then the others and this was also the 2nd pass so I wasnt so worried about the car taking a crap