RaisinHale

I am planning to upgrade my front suspension. The car is is a dedicated drag car now. The only change I have made up front is upgrading to CE 90/10 Drag Struts. Which would be better for my combination, Moroso Trick Springs or a Coilover Conversion?

JesasaurusRex

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coil overs are obviously better...cost effective is another story

car_fixer

why are coil overs better?

let me answer the OP with a question, whats wrong with what you have? If you are having a problem (other than the front never settles down untill you hit the brakes) you should include that info.

If you have to spend money you could send me a drum of c-16 lol

RaisinHale

My 60' times are a little on the weak side (1.60). I am also looking to lose some extra weight but could not deside if the extra money for the coilovers would be worth it.

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if you are using Spohn kits, i dont think there is much weight savings. You now have a heavier, but stronged strut mount, a heavy 1/4" reinforcement plate for the underside of the strut tower, the new 2.5"x14" spring, and the coilover sleave. Honestly, if its not the same wieght as stock, its heavier.

A STB is a good idea with these style coilovers anyway, to help keep the front end from flexing more, and thats even more weight.

they do allow a much longer spring than you could use in the spring pocket, and are ride height adjustable. The longer spring can help weight transfer.

DIGGLER

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i am running moroso trick springs in my car because i could not see that much of a weight savings going to the coilovers, and the car was not designed to hold its weight on the strut tower mount. i am also still running the factory steering stuff instead of a rack because of the reliability/correct steering geometry/only figured a few pounds difference anyways.

as for the springs, they will for sure help with weight transfer. i have limiters on my car so it doesnt go on the bumper.

car_fixer

if you arent spinning the tires better weight transfer will do nothing to help. look for other weight to take off if you havent done that yet, if you have...add more power

RaisinHale

Thanks for the comments. Actually my 60' is not very consistant due to bad track prep. I would really like to get more weight transfer to aid with the traction. It shoulds like either would help.

AlkyIROC

Moroso trick springs in my car. When the front end comes down, there's a lot of suspension travel to absorb the decent. I'm sure if I let off the throttle when the front end is in the air that it would come crashing down and do damage but less things would be hurt than if I was using a coilover system.

articwhiteZ

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if you go with a coil over up front. add the tube A arms &
K Member

when the swap is done you will have shaved 51LBS off the front of your car.. just did it my self.. and thats the Diff in Just Parts.

IF SOMBODY has the stock parts laying about I have another full coil over set set from spohn ill toss on the Fat box, and we can see what the Diff is..

BlueBeast

I would go with coil overs. The biggest thing I swapped out on my front end was the steering box over to a manual rack. HUGE difference to say the least, that box is heavy and it was the manual s-10 box. I haven't ran into a U turn that I couldn't make with the rack either.

RaisinHale

I just bought and installed the trick springs due to the extra cost of the coilover setup. I had to cut 1 full coil out of them. Alky, did you have to cut yours?

I'm going to the track tomorrow so I'll update everyone tomorrow on the results.

AlkyIROC

Mine are uncut but I also don't have any spring isolators. My front end still sits a little low.

wrenchbender

Yeah Hale, let us know how it works.

RaisinHale

The springs made my car look and feel much better. My car now leaves the line straight but my 60' times are still not consistent. I think it has to be my slicks. They have 150+ passes on them and they are 6 years old.

wrenchbender

Yeah, I'd say you're past due for some tires!

articwhiteZ

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have the 2 sets of parts sitting next to ea other. with just a guess. i would say the diff is about 29lbs

the GM K member coil springs and A arms are about 90lbs

the spohn parts K member A arms and coil overs and strut plates come in at about 60lbs

but i can drop them on a scale

xpndbl3

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we're talking just stock springs vs a coilover setup, not the weight savings of a kmember, everyone knows the "complete" kit is lighter, but from stock springs to the coilover swap, the coilovers are probably HEAVIER.

IHI

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If your a test and tuner, and not a serious bracket racer, you will be just fine with trick springs, that's all i ran with lakewood 90/10 struts and my car repeated 60's all day long to the .001-.01 depending on track, prep, and sun/heat.

If you think long term and want THE utmost in tunability, coil overs are the ONLY way to fly. With my big small block, I was at the point I NEEDED to slow down extension, drag struts dont have that option unless you drop some SERIOUS coin. So by going to a dual adjustible coil over shock you gain total control over compression and rebound, along with ride height....that way you can throw out cable/chain front end limiters and use the shocks themselves to regulate how quickly the front of the car reacts to the hit.

brandoz28

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even with a good double adjustable front strut, you still may need a set of limiters if you're making enough power

xpndbl3

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josh how is a double adjustable strut with a coilover any different than a double adjustable strut with stock/trick springs? Same cost unless I'm missing something where the coilover setup struts would be cheaper somehow?

IHI

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True, but it opens a big window for tuning before having to take drastic measures like tieing down the front end. I never could find a happy spot with my car strapping it down, 1, 2, 3" of travel, soon as my straps "stopped" the front end, it'd upset the rear tires and 60's would vary, so just had to work with what I had on the tree, but doing wheelies sucks serious ballz when trying to brakcet race, it truely screws everything up on the tree and incrementals all the way down the track when your trying to zerox slips.

brandoz28

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i hear you there......i had my car do a funny bunny hop in really good weather.....left the same spot on the tree that i had all night....went .2xx red. i was about fuming lol

articwhiteZ

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the stock springs are about 4lbs more the the coil overs even with the adjstrs
and my coil over springs are 14" long (1QA)

xpndbl3

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hmm when I weighed my front springs with 1/2 coil cut off compared to a strange coilover setup for a mustang, the coilover setup weighed about the same, then I was factoring in all the brackets needed to run coilovers on the thirdgen chassis and figured it would be close. Still unsure about the double adjustable struts being cheaper for coilover somehow, hopefully he chimes in here.

RaisinHale

I wanted to add another comment to my thread. In the middle of the season this year I added a set of relocation brackets to the rear since I was seeing inconsistency issues. This made a huge difference in my 60' consistency. If anyone on this board has not purchased these yet they are well worth the money.