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Old 06-29-2007, 11:26 AM
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what does it really take to wheelie?

I live by the famous Byron raceway Wheelie competition. I just picked up a 92 hard top v6 for no reason, so I figured why not do something crazy. I'm not saying I want to enter the competition, just want to pull the front wheels more than a foot. is this possible with the Torque Arm/ Coil set up? or will the car have to be back-halved? I have access to a couple 350s, 400s and a 454. For a trans I'm guessing I'll have to run a th350 or th400 with a trans brake. Sorry this is kinda an open ended question, but I have too much time to think when I'm mowing the yard.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

Sure it can be done with stock style setup. Get a good suspension a good shot of NOS and some sticky tires. It proably wont happen to many times on that stock rear though.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

smooky hall right here doing a massive wheelstand on stock style suspension and a mickey t drag radial.

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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

Buddy of mine pulls the front wheels up in his bird near 2 feet off the ground. Drops the clutch at 6800 - 7200 rpm, lots of weight off the front, ballast in the back behind the rear wheels (to meet his weight class of 3500 lbs), shorter torque arm, 5.xx something gears and a 29x9 slick. Engine is a "stock" LT1 making 500+ hp.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

my car is the one in my sig.... it carries them out 50' or so, sets them down just before it trips the 60' beams.

all the suspension goodies, (stock type suspension still) and its around 3,000# im guessing. th400 trans, 9" rear with 4.56's, 28x10.5 tire.
engine is a stock LT1 with 230/236 cam and mildly ported heads done by myself. 125 shot of nitrous.

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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

Traction, gearing, weight transfer.

I'd like to get a bit more air under the tires but even my car running high 9's doesn't pull the front end very high. I've recently done a swap from 4.56 gears to 4.86 but don't have any track time to see what they do. 5.13 gears would be nice but I'd run out of rpm before I crossed the finish line although I may experiment with some depending on how the 4.86 gears work.

My car is also very nose heavy. It's around a 60/40 weight ratio. 50/50 is preferred. I launch off a transbrake at 4500 rpm through a powerglide with a 1.76 first gear so my starting line ratio isn't as low as someone using a TH400 or TH350. A deeper gear gives more torque multiplication off the line.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

im having fears of putting it on the bumper when i up the shot. i bought travel limiters for the front end but they are not on there just yet. i still havent put my strange brakes on the front either, so thats more weight coming off the front.
right now im guessing it makes around 440rwhp or something like that on the 125 shot. it will be interesting when the next motor is in the car making ~1,000rwhp.... ill just get some wheelie bars i guess.
but, honestly i think the car would probably be quicker if it wasnt in the air so long.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

you guys forgot one (ok two) *****, unless you really need to dont lift.
the right choice of front springs and struts horse power good sticky tires


87 z28 stock rear suspension 9 inch 4.11 gears , carries the fronts 40 to 50 ft on engine(on the way to a low 11 pass) 150 shot it went 9.99 does have a trans brake also turbo 350 trans 350 cube engine
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

I've seen stock LS1s on N20 pull 6 inchers, just takes the right suspension.

And you might want to invest in some "oh ****!" bars for when that baby comes back down.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

Originally Posted by DIGGLER
im having fears of putting it on the bumper when i up the shot. i bought travel limiters for the front end but they are not on there just yet. i still havent put my strange brakes on the front either, so thats more weight coming off the front.
right now im guessing it makes around 440rwhp or something like that on the 125 shot. it will be interesting when the next motor is in the car making ~1,000rwhp.... ill just get some wheelie bars i guess.
but, honestly i think the car would probably be quicker if it wasnt in the air so long.

You can also control the height with a set of adjustable front struts like the Koni SPA-1's and set them up stiffer.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

Originally Posted by mod313
You can also control the height with a set of adjustable front struts like the Koni SPA-1's and set them up stiffer.
already have a set of those struts front/rear. fronts are on full stiff.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

fill your trunk with lead!!! no just kidding... hay maybe know one has ever mentioned this but wheelie are like a burn out they are hp/tork that is lost by elevating your car.. Sure they look awsome. but keeping the nose low will help out more.
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Re: what does it really take to wheelie?

Actually found that if you don't have Sub Frame can cause quite a bit of damage also. I don't intentionally or ever will try to get the tires off ground as I am more worried about hooking up. Don't have alot of control if you are looking skyward. But, if you aren't running subframes you will have a similar problem of the right fender and door body panels are separated.
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