factory power adders are band aides? LMAO

ok would you take a TPI motor or a TTA motor, lol.

I know you're a die hard GM loyalists and that's fine but you're so biased it's sickening.

The Cobra will lay the smack down on every GM car they have, and gives the Z06 a run for its money. Modding it is so easy a 5 year old can do it. Funny with a pulley and some exhaust they're running low 12's and trapping around 116-118..not to bad with a "band-aide"


I know the times are 1988, but christ...31K for a Impala SS? That's damn close to entering BMW range..**** you can get a 03' 3 series for close to that if you find the right deal, or a preowned 02...not saying I'd get a 3 series it's just the point.


We'll see what happens from GM, but I'm not holding my breathe for a Fbody that's gonna blow me away...

 

It will probably be a Hydrogen car or it might be a "FAn" car, You know kind of like a swamp boat... that would blow you away...literally j/k

Discover had a neat article about the GM Hydrogen car...

John

 

considering that no cobra has had the capability to keep up with a z28 or ss without a blower.... lets not redesign or make another engine.. that would be to hard, so they went the easy way out. Yes it makes power, and is easy to mod as other factory power added cars, im not saying that. What im saying is a lot more impressive if they make a 500hp small block instead of just slapping a blower on it and calling it a day.

as for the rest of GM's line up... look no one told you go buy an impalla. And im looking at Chevy's site right now, and only the top model SS 1SC package is 29,900. And that has the same blown motor GTP's had and people have had no problem modding them. And to do that, and i quote "is so easy a 5 year old can do it". I thought that there would be an overwhellming sence of happiness but all i see is critics. If this is gunna happen, then I do not want GM to make a camaro or another RWD car for all it will be met with is BS remarks and tons of resisitance. If it doesnt look like a 69 SS, have 500 twin turbo motor with leather, BMW quality for a honda price... then it shouldnt be done. It seems that only a few people on here really are excited about this, and thats not enuff to generate sales.

 

LOL, I'm getting tired of hearing about how Ford uses a blower blah blah blah. The point is they didn't just slap on a blower...that's something a ******* would do.

Regardless of how they get the power its faster than most GM if not all GM cars...

I guess GN's and TTA's are **** too right since it's not a N/A 500 HP smallblock

I'd put up my band-aided motor against you N/A motor any day of the week

 

ahhhhhhhhhhhh ok I dont remember me calling the car anything, just that in order to keep up with the camaro, they needed a blower instead of just putting in a bigger engine or designing a new one. It doesnt matter ok. You dont like this idea of having a 5th gen so why am I trying to change your mind. You know just forget about it all. Rob you can lock this up cause I give up. No one seems to be happy about this car other them myself. either its not fast enuff, some how its ugly(car doesnt even exisit), or its too much. OH well I guess GM's going down in flames. I better sell my camaro because its worthless.

 

So Ford couldn't build a good N/A motor? Last I checked the Mach 1 was pulling good times.


Dude, don't cry because someone doesn't agree with you...it shows you immaturity, seriously.

YOU'RE the one getting all bent out of shape because people don't agree with you opinion..sorry but there ARE other cars out there besides GM..I'm a GM loyal guy and always will be, doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion in a negative way..

 

i agree with frosty....


there are other cars out there besides gm. and i'll probably entertain the idea of stepping into a different car than a gm model when it's time to buy a new car.

think of it this way al... the impala is still gonna be over $30k by the time you figure in delivery and taxes.....

:shrug: i'll probably just say screw gm and keep my older vehicles running.

 

I remember hating the third gen design when it debuted in 82. At the time I had my 68 SS conv and saw the new design as ugly and not a real Camaro. It wasn't until I drove an 86 that I actually started looking at it differently. The newer model handled so much better than the first gen's that you had to take notice. The next year I bought my 87 coupe and needless to say the 68 eventually went away after 10 years and 16 years later I still have the 87. My point here is we all got used to the way each generation has been and any radical change will be a love/hate deal, just don't dismiss it automatically until you drive it.

 

I remember when the '93 Cmaaro came out, and allot of people were saying it looked like a big GEO Storm...

John

 

it did and does

 

And when the 98 debuted with the new front a lot of people referred to it as a Mitsubishi getting it up the rear from a Camaro.

 

let's not forget the LS1 camaros lookin like a Sebring from the font

 

Basicly all car share looks with other cars. The 98+ to the Mitsubishi, the 93-97 with the Geo storm look. Even the third gens share looks with other 80's cars. Bottom line is a fifth generation has to realizably priced and be able to fit many different types of people. Even if we don't like the PT Crusiers with over 160 styles or what not, they'll probably sell a bunch.

 

I personally can't wait for the next gen or camaro. I think it would be great if they could give it camaro styling of how we have now, but not make it look "retro". I personally can't stomach the new style of the 2005 mustangs, so I hope they don't do soemthing like that in the camaro. I like the look of the new thunderbird, but it could use some more lines (its surface is too round and plain in my opinion) tohugh I think pontiac overdoes the lines on many of their cars.

As far as price, I do have to say that 30K is a bit much for something like the impala ( a lot much actually ) its a nice car, but not enough power and too heavy in stock form.

a 2005-2007 or whatever year F-body? (or whatever friggin platform they'll share later on) it better be damned good. If its sharing the platform with all of these different vehicles, they need to make the chassis stiff, and keep the suspension top notch. The one REALLY REALLY GREAT thing I can see coming from sharing this platform across a bunch of different models, and engines is the aftermarket for the chassis itself should be HUGE! Hopefully the same will apply to the new LS2 when it hits the market.

take it easy1

 

the chassis will be very ridged as the CTS chassis was tuned on the nuremburg race track... so i think its gunna be plenty fine.

I think that because it will share with so many cars that it will get bits and parts from buick and pontiac. Thats not gunna be a bad thing as Buick is aiming for Lexus. Step inside the new SUV they have and behold all that is the tri-shield. I see a 22k base camaro with a high value 6 pushing 250, and a 6.0 pushing 390ish, keeping ahead of the supposed 350 hp mustang GT. I see the GTO getting a tad more power, say 400, and vette getting 420.

 

one thing I never understood. on older cars and on most car info, the HP rating is at the flywheel, and with the accessories attached to the engine. how is it then that people say that Ls1 engines are producing 320 HP (or whatever it is) to the rear wheels? i thought that was at the crank?

cheers...and pelase don't flame me for that...cause my car was stock 170 horses (150 or whatever at the wheels)

did they change the way they did it??

thanks

 

no, they underrated the LS1 big time. GM says it puts down 320 at the flywheel using SAE net ratings that means w/ accesories. But, its all bs when 4th gen fbodies get on a chassis dyno and throw 290 hp to the wheels... now you figure 20% loss(auto) in the drivetrain. Now take 290 and multiply it by 1.20=348hp engine hp... really, GM under rates it as GM has done for many years with many engines... namly the DZ302.. said it pused 290hp.. but hung with 396 SS's that had 350hp. and anything pre-73 had gross ratings which means that they werent tested with accesories.

 

ok
so...my engine dynoed out at 362HP at 5500 RPM and 375 ft lbs of torque at 4500 RPM and this torque curve is damn near flat.

My tranny is built, shift kit, better clutches, corvette servo, the works, so it is built to not lose that 20% through the drive train. So assuming im losing 16% on the drivetrain from 360 HP,what would that be/ I dont know how much accesseries take, but I will have only the alternator, water pump and steering pump on it.

So what you think that is good for? I dont' see how the Ls1 are so fast, with the weight they carry, and the amount of HP goin to the ground. what makes them able to do it so easily and thirdgen with comparable power not?

thanks

 

Ok well we can start from the bottom.

And LS1 in a third gen and a LS1 ina 4th gen and a race... considering all is equal, the thirdgen would win hands down.

LS1 4th gens are fast because they produce so much power. IF your car puts 360plus power, you should have no problem running with them... untill they start modding. LS1's seem to respond well to mods, but what small block doesnt. Heads, cam, exhaust, and tuning and this car is set for the 10's. I just wish that GM made the LS1 stronger so it could take a supercharger a lot better, sort of like the 03 cobras which have proved there moddability by pushing 500 with this and that.

 

Ive got a magazine of that concept car. Its in "Motor Trend". In the magazine, its just a 'Chevy SS'. It says it has a V-8 with 430hp and 430torque. 0-60 - 5.1, and 1/4mile - 14.0

I dunno if thats the same car though, now that i saw that 'Opel' thing...

 

The SS concept shows the new Gen IV or LS2 small block. That motor will go into the next C6 base model corvette with probably a little less power.. maybe 410hp or 415. A camaro concept will get probably a "detuned" with less advertised power like 390hp.

 

430 HP and torque? that sucker must be heavy as hell to only do a 14 sec 1/4 mile. I would be thinkin much faster. Then again if it is the SS, that would be, why, weight ratio right?

cheers

 

ive never seen 1/4 mile times for the car i dont know where you got that info.

 

that said it was a 14 sec 1/4 time. I was just going off of what was said above saying that it must be heavy if thats the case.

cheers

 

LOL, sorry but that thing must weight 5K pounds.

Don't take most magazine times seriously...

 

well, think about this.. the new GTO just pulled a 5.3 in 0-60, but pulled a 13.6 on a detuned and permenant TCC on. Id like to see the mph on that run..watch, the mph is like 107mph.

 

well here....http://www.motortrend.com/future/con...2_0303_fut_ss/

just read on....

 

I cant see any performance details.. but then agian i just breezed through the article.

 

nope there isn't
read the whole thing.

who knows eh/

 

chevy is going to good ground, in everything but looks, that ss car looks great but dont make it a 4 door thats gay, or at least offer it in 2 and 4 door that would make for endless choices and we love those!, the motor sound impressive i doubt production hp would be that high but if its even close itll rock my world, when ever i see cars with more than 300 hp that are remotly affordable i raise my brow and check that sucker out, to me 300 hp is alot, mind you if its an suv i spit at it, thats why i say car, the gto has 350 hp out of a vette ls1, how cool is that, i agree some of these new gm and chevy car dont look to good, (monte carlo?) the ssr has to be the biggest flop in the making holy crap that wont out sell the aztek geez i dont know any one who would buy that, the motor and philosophy are good but the whole retro truck thing doesnt fly with many people, its a very one track design i think, if we want there to be a 5th gen and i might consider beliving that there is a *** if chevy makes one, but if we want it we have to conced to the popular crap like retro or what ever anyone call it, the car has to sell to other groups of peolpe than our selves, not every one wants the most blazing small block from gm and no options, gm has to cater to enough interest to sell and pull a profit, i cant freaking understand how the ssr can do that, arg,

personally i have alwayed wondered if after market companies have kept the hp of some cars down so they can make $ off of the poor perfomance of motors that have som much potential, i agree some things are government regulations and jive but what ever, but i know cost has the bigest determination in what perfomance the car has, cost that cant be justified by whos gonna cough up the money and how much profit gm can pull per car.

ill stick with third gens thank you guys very much, maybe a scooter that get 80 mpg's those are good too right

 

I dunno about you guys, but it seems as if Chrysler, Mazda, and Chevy are making their cars look alike in a way. I mean, look at the Chrysler Crossfire, the Mazda RX-8, and this Chevy 'SS'......dont they catch a little resemblance?

 

not all all. The RX8 and Crossfire look NOTHING alike. The RX8 is based of tirangular looks becuase of the motor. The crossfire has many features of the slk, because it shares the platform. The SS looks like the RX a little bit at some angles.

The 6.0 in the SS is getting made. ITs going in the base C6 corette. The head of the corvette team said that the base vette's engine will be putting out more power then the record set by ted williams in 1918. ... in 1918 Ted Willams set the record or batting average of 406. Something to think about... The C6 will probably put down 410-420hp. The next gen z06 will probably push near 500.

 

looks to much like a cadiallac cts but i like the hole idea of bringing the camaro/ f-body back. i cant wait tell we get to see some more concepts.

 

remember guys.. the crossfire is roughly 39% mercedes

if they didn't cost so much, i'd have one sitting in my driveway. i like them.

 

ya, thats true

so would i, i like em too.