I H8 WWD

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Just got off the phone with Brian Santilli.

They are in prototype mode right now with the tails figuring out what setups are best for these tails....so they ARE working on them, but arent their HIGHEST priority...but if we get 25 down payments ready the priority will raise and these will come out faster.

Here are the DETAILS.

*NOTE* Changes can be made so please read up on posts to check for updates. As TGO doesnt allow after 2 days to edit your original post. Please keep checking back for updates.

Specifications of the kit:

LED BOARDS ONLY ready for plug and play into original sockets. These are NOT replacement lenses or housings...just LED boards setup to fit inside our housings. Check their website for further information and pictures/videos.

These are SEQUENTIAL.

The camaro LED kit will be for the amber and brake light only. The reverse section will use your stock bulb as they consider reverse not needing LED's. The outer wrap around cannot be achieved because it is a reflector type of the lens and Spaghetti Eng rather not put lights behind a reflector due to light emittence (Spelling?) and the way it would look (crappy/blurry). So all together this kit will be 2 sections of the tails....the amber and brake portion.


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THIS IS JUST FOR SHOWING PURPOSES AND ARE NOT THE CAMARO KITS, BUT A KIT FOR THE 1969 FIREBIRD.



1. STOCK COLORS ONLY! NO WRAP-AROUND! Reverse will NOT be LED but kept the stock bulb type.

2. THE BOARDS BEING USED ARE RED (So for those getting KLEARZ clear tails you might want to re-think this as the LED boards will show through in red)

3. 25 down payments of 50% of the product cost must be put down upon final production runs to ensure sales. Total ranges from $200-$300 a kit making a $100-$150 down payment price.

4. They are looking for 1 PERSON to be their contacter...so I ask all those out there on TGO and Camarosource to allow me and Paul from camarosource take over the e-mails.

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camarosource

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While that's good to finally hear.. It's sure a shame it had to take nearly 1/2 a YEAR to just find that out now.

rwdtech

so what are they gonna look like? i dont get it..

ChevyKen

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Uhm..Im sorry if Im ignorant here, but could you give a real short description of what the kit really is? You mention that if using a different lens, then .... - does that mean that this is just the housing? Just replacements for bulbs?
What do you mean by no wrap-around?


Thanks, and again - sorry if I should know this hehe...I've not been around here much for a while.


Ken

I H8 WWD

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I posted the description...but photobuckets uploaders arent working so I cant post a picture of what the kit might look like...no photoshop here though...just an idea.

The wrap around is the ..... haha, wrap around part fo the tail lights...at each end corner opposite of the reverse section...otherwise known as the corner triangle...

This kit will replace your stock bulbs with these LEDs as a plug and play setup. BUT, you will use your stock reverse bulb...as spaghetti eng states the LED's in the reverse section arent needed.

The different lenses are part of another group buy...where some of us are getting clear tails or smoked tails and the RED boards will show through the lenses and might not look that great...

BADNBLK

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The whole kit does not look that appealing to me anymore. I really liked the wrap around idea, and now it just seems cheap (even though the price is not).


Has anyone seen these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RED-S...8351QQtcZphoto

Looks alot like what they are going to put into our housings. Why are we not doing this ourselves... this is plug and play.



**I am not trying to trash your group buy, just throw out an idea **

I H8 WWD

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This kit is sequential as well.

Your plug and play isnt, just a square of led's....

Also, having those in a rectangle lens wont look good anyway, as you'll have room on each side for more leds and the look of the tails will fade away.

BADNBLK

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I did not see the sequential mentioned above and it has been a while since I read the original... cool!

I understand that it is just a square of LEDs, and I know that they are small to our specific housing, but if someone can make 5x5 squares why not 10x20 to fill out area with 2057 sockets connected at the end like my example.

I see what your saying, and your kit will be less work total. Good luck on the group buy. Can't wait to see these working.

I H8 WWD

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Im trying to get the reverse section led...as well as the wrap-around...but they really dont want to, but as I have told them, its not about what they want, but what the consumer wants....and thats a FULL LED KIT.

camarosource

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Has anyone here actually THOUGHT as to HOW they can possibly do this for $200-300 and still make profit considering 1 tail Light assembly costs between $224 & $232us?

In reality in order for them to make ANY profit, the cost of the LED taillights would have to be a MININUM of $228.97 and that would WITHOUT profit. Unless they can find new light assemblies for less than say $80, they wouldn't make any profit.. Something is missing...

www.classicindustries.com sells *1* taillight for $224.99 each & $232.95 (LEFT = $224.99 / RIGHT = $232.95). That's $457.94us for just light housing just to begin with..

krisb410

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Why wouldn't you just use the taillights you already have??? They are just selling the "kit", then install them on the tailights already on your car. No need for all new housings.

camarosource

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I was under the impression the taillights were a sealed unit tho? I don't recall seeing any screws. I thought the lights just screw into the back of the unit?

krisb410

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They come apart, have be be careful, but they do.

Norwood

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I'd be all over this if I could get the reverse section in LED. I painted my reverse section red and did away the reverse lights, and installed a 3 section sequential blinker system. It shouldn't be hard to get an additional section since all 3 should be identical.

I H8 WWD

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This is something I am working on with brian @ Spaghetti Eng. Like i said before Spaghetti Eng thinks the reverse section and wrap around sections wouldnt be needed nor look good if done. But I have told him over and over again that we want every section led with the exception of the wrap-around.

So I am hoping tomorrow I get a response to these questions.

I H8 WWD

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You do indeed need to be careful, also this is why I am glad I am getting my custom lenses from KLEARZ, as I am buying new housings after this and just replacing my old tails for brand new COMPLETE units.

KLEARZ Dark Smoked Lenses $190
Spaghetti Eng. LED Kit installed onto KLEARZ lenses $200-$300
NEW GM Housings $160/ea.

Completely new tails....Cost $710-$810 depending on LED Kit Cost.

P.S. Anybody need added to the list? Or is more info still needed? Just wondering.

BADNBLK

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So these LED kits are just a section of LED light grids with wiring adapted to fit our original socket, then we have to make them fit in OUR original housings?? Thats what it sounds like. Are they providing housing in purchase price, or just the lights for $200-300?

I H8 WWD

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The kit will have to be installed into your stock housings right behind the lenses which they are either glued to or taped to...however they/you so choose, but Ill probably glue mine in, since they have a 1,000,000 hour life span which is roughly 113 years of light....pretty good to be glued you think.

Anyway, I am getting new lenses from KLEARZ so I thought since these are going behind the lenses why not just buy a whole new housing as well, start anew.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR OLD TAIL LIGHTS. REMOVE THE HOUSING FROM THE LENSES AND INSTALL THESE LED KITS RIGHT BEHIND THE LENSES (Dont worry, they are test fitting these so they fit perfect and wont have problems fitting inside the housing behind the lenses) THEN REGLUE/SILICONE YOUR LENSES BACK ONTO YOUR HOUSINGS AND SEE THEM BITCHES WORK...haha.

NineOneOne

Interesting. I'd want to see them installed, and a shot of them lit up at night before I would even consider buying...

I H8 WWD

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These are in prototype stages right now...so videos will be a little while. Check out their videos of other products they offer. They will give the best look at how bright they are and how they operate...then just apply to how the camaro's will look.

Look here....click on ANY name vehicle

http://www.spaghettiengineering.com/...ore/videos.asp


P.S. I am still at trying to get the reverse section LED as well. The wrap-around might be the stopping point for these...because of the reflector type part of the lens.

BADNBLK

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It just seems like alot of money for some LED board that are wired to fit a 2057 socket. The sequential thing is cool, but for the amount of money, I think that we could run down to radio shack and pay some nerd behind the counter to solder up a board. We can then glue this into our housings, and probably have them make reverse boards too!

krisb410

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And then when they break, you gonna track down the "some nerd behind the counter" and hope he still works there?. When in this case, you can have the company fix/replace them ("for the same money").

Sure there is a way to do this yourself and save money. But some of us don't feel like spending the time an effort to do the research and make them, when we can just buy them.

I H8 WWD

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Read this thread if you havent. His bill has reached over $250. Of course he does have the wrap around and reverse sections done, but still the bill for LED tails isnt as cheap as you think it could be.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/body...tail+light+led

Sinister Z

I too want the LED tails but I want to make sure that it has the reverse lights and that all the squares in the grid (a total of 9) are filled up in there also, from what I see now by the pics that you posted is just that those pieces have to be installed vertically and there is no LED's in the middle of them, just on the ends...plus I want to see a pic of them completely finished & lit up just to give me an idea before I buy.

Now about the wrap-around part...there is a little bulb in there already so why can't spaghetti make perhaps a small plate that holds 1-3 or 5 LED's in place of the factory bulb?

NineOneOne

For +$200, if they resemble these, then yes. Otherwise, no...

FerrMaro

Sequential??? How is that gonna work? From bottom to top? Ugh. How hard is it to get a quality, modern LED tail light retrofit without all the goofy extras? I was really liking this idea until they omitted reverse lights and this sequential nonsense came about.

Vaneat-91RS

Okay, I know its YOUR car...but isn't it funny how we all say we want something, but as soon as its not EXACTLY like we want, we start whining. Look, if you have CONSTRUCTIVE input, then by all means share. They need to know what we want.
Its pretty clear that we all want full lamp LED's, including corners. Fine. If you don't like the price, get out your sodering gun and go to town. Follow the link above and make your own, he's done a good job describing and laying out photos so you can see how he is doing it. But that project takes a lot of time, and isn't necessarily as cheap as it might seem. Plus if it breaks, you're back to square one. Not all of us have that kind of time on our hands.
The costs are reflective of them paying their people to engineer a product for you. Its a smaller company--this ain't Wal-Mart or Costco buying these in bulk from overseas. The object of a company is to make money, you know, turn a profit. So if its not cost effective, they'll just say no deal. That they are even considering the project is because we have said "we have an interest in this, we have this many people, would you consider taking it on?" Any company that agrees is likely to modify to concept. We can possibly get them to reconsider if we say that what we really want is the full Grid as LED's.

All that said, my $.02 is that I would like them to be full grid including corners. At minimum, I want even the reverse lamps as LED. However, if that doesn't happen, I will still consider purchasing. So put me down. I've seen lots of lamps that are combo LED and standard that look good. I just think these lamps will look best as a full LED system. I H8, thanks for being the middle man in this. You might send them Pics of that other guys project (if you haven't already), saying this is what the guys (and gals) want. It might give them some visual impetus to consider our side of the equation.

krisb410

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Well said my 3rd gen brother.

FerrMaro

I think it's so comical when people reprimand over the internet. Anyway, I've left my constructive feedback in all the other threads about this project. I just hope that they have an option to turn the "sequencing" off, because I'm still really interested in these!

krisb410

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If you had clicked on the link to Spaghetti Engineering, you would have read that you can turn the sequencial turn" off.

I H8 WWD

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Yes, the sequencing can be turned off...another option offered.

I have e-mailed Brian with what we want and basically stated what will get them sales. I let them know we wanted a FULL LED replacement, with the exception of the wrap-around of course...but at least have the reverse section, amber section and brake section all LED. I am awaiting a response.

Iroc'nthe87

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Cool beans.

camaro8811

i can't believe that they are not going to have the reverse and wrap around section. not to be negative, but these are not worth it and i don't think they will look good. that's just my opinion, so no one get offended. i can see paying 300 if it is the whole tail light, even 400 because it is so big and complex. but do it right, don't halfa$$ the project just to market it.

boosted6

Let me just comment on this statement. For starters it would be rediculous in my eye's to have the reverse lights done! You would be paying for design, and an extra board for just backing up?? Hell how long does a car normally stay in reverse? what 8 seconds? The cost of what it would take for that whole board and extra programing would just not be worth it when you could easily install a LED replacement bulb and get the nice brightness.

Now onto the wrap around issue, That would be a TON of work to design using two seperate boards just in that small area. No doubt it would look good. but where do you draw the line on the design of this? But it is also a ton more work to program each and every board and it would be super time consuming.

I would recomend just three sections- the two square sections next to the reverse light and possibly just the first section before the wrap around. That leaves the section on the side without LED's. So from the rear of the car it would look like it is the full tail light but it just won't wrap around to the side.

All other lights on the car can be replaced with re-placement LED bulbs and would look great with the tail lights..

Scot W.

Vaneat-91RS

with apologies for sounding like I'm reprimanding, my point was more to make our comments pertinent to the conversation. It just gets really old, really fast, reading every third post saying "thats too much money for those." Maybe it is for that person, but a better post would be, "if they were x-amount, I might be able to buy some." I would think that what is needed is input that makes it possible to get these done. Otherwise, it will be dead before it ever gets close to fruition--like many other really good ideas that have come up on these boards. Like you, I would really like to see this particular one happen.

Besides, if I was REALLY going to reprimand, I'd likely get one of these: lol

FerrMaro

lol. No worries. I will say, it is nice to see a company attempting to cater to us fickle budget 3rd gen owners. Can't wait to get my hands on a set...hopefully.

BluFBdy

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updates? i gotta fit these into my budget so i wanna know whats going on lol has ANYONE commited to a down payment?? And since they're doing the amber parts where does that leave guys like me with all reds? As far as i can tell the setup for each grid is the same (if im wrong oh well) but if they are could we just ask for 4 reds instead of 2 reds and 2 ambers? or however it would work, i just think having an option on that would be nice because the amber leds would look different through my red lense than the red brake parts which would throw off my entire setup

I H8 WWD

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They are making these in stock colors AND THATS THAT. White reverse, amber turn and red brake with/without the wrap around which is still being discussed and such.

I have asked for options and options over and over, and it seems the more I do the less there are of people who want these.

The Down Payment is about $150 but they havent set anything up with us, as we are not a priority like their other products they are doing.

We want these, then we need 10-15 people willing to at a drop of a dime to send $150 to Spaghetti for the production development process...but we dont have that yet as we only have 1 person willing to send $150 right away and THATS ME.

Im sorry but Im trying to completely change the look of my camaro from 80's muscle to modern 'art' I guess I could say...so im doing anything and everything to get the latest in modern tech parts.

Thanks for your time and have a nice day.

SPREAD THE WORD...

BluFBdy

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well i suppose if i went with some of klearz dark lenses when they came out the color difference wouldnt matter, i would love to throw down for these but im afraid i have the same thoughts as other people as far as going all in when others arent, and what happens if we send them the payments? does that mean they are for sure gonna be made or is there a chance they'll scrap the project later due to "lack of interest" and leave us with nothing?

(just trying to get the details because i really want to do this)

What if we got a larger number of people putting down say an $80 or $90 payment do you think that might help? Im not gonna lie, im a bit weary of letting $150 go to anything, including my bills lol keep me updated, im all for it if we can get people to just buy them

I H8 WWD

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Spaghetti STATES, that they ARE producing these on their own,

BUT

if we can get enough people 10-15 to throw down on HALF the PRICE of their highest sold kit, we can get these on a high priority list and get these out sooner.

But the less and less interest there is makes them only work on other kits which are in higher demand, like their impala and now their Grand national kits....which already have a page setup for them...

So more interest will get these guys going.

krisb410

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Well, if they let us have the option of red or amber for the turn signals, then maybe the interest would go up. But they are limiting the amount of interest by only offering the turn signals in amber. I was very interested in these until it was stated that they would only offer amber turn signals!

Norwood

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I'm with master_disaster and krisb410.. I want the all red LEDs and personally only the all red. Money is not the problem I'll send the whole amount if they could do it. I don't see the problem, instead of reaching into the bag full of amber LEDs just reach into the bag full of red LEDs and solder those in. Problem solved.

camarobeast84

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I agree that they should at least give the option of red OR amber for the turn signals, I personally would like white reverse and everything else in red as I'm getting the Klearz white reverse and dark smoked lenses. You can count me in on these, but I strongly recommend that they do the entire lense (wrap around). See if they will consider the red turn and doing the wrap around, and I'm sure they will generate a lot more interest...

BluFBdy

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oh do i see a peak in interest there?????

I H8 WWD

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You guys have to understand though.

Over at camarosource they already have over 20 people for the stock colors, we only have maybe 5 at most and thats off and on with stock and aftermarket colors.

So honestly, as much as we would like to have the all red I dont think its going to happen...but still can happen, if interest is there.

I SENT SPAGHETTI an e-mail a few weeks ago stating this.

We want FULL LED including reverse and wrap around..nothing BUT
We want option for custom colors mainly red switched to amber
We want full grid LED's
I also sent them a picture of cdoyle's SETUP OF LED'S so they know exactly what we are looking for.

We are either going to need the same or close to camarosource with 15-20 people ready to throw down DP's, or we wait until they come out by themselves and see if the options are open.

Take care and I hope you all understand whats going on with these.

BluFBdy

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im down for the setup but i can tell you right now people wont pay for something that will throw off their whole setup and potentially end up costing them more in the end besides at the rate these negotiations are going with them they'll never be done and are we collaborating our DP's with camarosources to get the required 15 or whats going on ?

I H8 WWD

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Spaghetti does STOCK COLOR replacement LED kits.

Us wanting Red or blue or green or whatever will be a first for them and like I said they are about stock colors, This way even those without new KLEARZ lenses can still have that LED look, not to mention alot more people ROCK THE STOCK look over the red amber or blacked out lens.

So honestly, if this doesnt happen custom it doesnt bother me, I dont care whether i can get stock colors or red and such, as long as I can convert my whole car (besides headlamps) to LED, and if it means keeping stock colors so be it, Im getting DARK SMOKED KLEARZ lenses, so any color is fine by me as long as the WHOLE taillight is LED...which is all i am fighting for, there is to much back and forth of who wants red turn and who wants stock colors but nobody fessing up the DP's....so like I said.

THE MORE INTEREST THE QUICKER/SOONER THEY START PRODUCTION.

I HAVE ALREADY STATED THEY ARE MAKING THESE IN STOCK COLORS FIRST ANYWAYS

SO CUSTOM WILL COME AFTER THEY GET THEIR STOCK COLOR LINE-UP DONE FIRST...AS WELL AS THEIR OTHER gb'S WHICH ARE READY FOR PURCHASING.

I know the whole modern look of the LED's arent everyones cup of tea, but we cant get 15-20 people out of the whole camaro grid taillight family to go in on these....some people just cant commit.

Take care guys and I just had a falling through and now am spending $1200 on my 300zx to get her running...so my DP, is out as of now but WAS in for sometime, just sad nobody else wants these as bad as me...

I CAN WAIT, no problem for me, Im in no rush to get my camaro driving, at least not UNTIL MAY 2009....so we'll see if what I say helps get interest or at least more publicity or something...IDK guys, its up to you...Ill always be down for a set of stock or aftermarket, but just me and me alone wont do anything in getting these done quicker.

I can start a list off the thread of those who want in...JUST LET ME KNOW.

NOTE: DOWN PAYMENTS WILL BE AROUND $150, sorry its what they told me...and thats that.

P.S. im not angry in anyway, just frustrated we are taking this long and still ONLY talking about it.

bigdavesiroc

you should start the list. it will give a better judgement of what we are working with here. i have looked but never chimmed in. so there may be more like me. i would be interested if i knew a couple things. 150 down, i got that. how long til they are done, and how much more will it be? and will it be a plug and play?

FerrMaro

Well...I was first on the list for stock colors in some other thread (what happened to that?) I'm still down to send my payment in for STOCK colored LED tail lamps.

I H8 WWD

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I am sending Spaghetti an e-mail now to update them on our situation...

I will get back to you guys when they do, usually takes a couple days to get a response...Ill get full details on how to get this going for us.

Be patient (as I know I am not...haha) and Ill get back to you guys.