SiCkRs

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I was wondering are the forth gen supercharger kits bolt on in our cars?

406TPI

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Which kit?

SiCkRs

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any of them but mainly wondering about hte magnacharger one since ive seen them on another forum go for $2000 and its very tempting if they are direct bolt on

406TPI

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Magnacharger doesn't offer a 4th gen f-body kit. I used a GTO kit for mine. Used GTO kits generally sell for $3500-4500 depending on the options and blower size. The kit I used with some upgrades retails for $6K.

I think you can use the Procharger 4th gen kit with some modifications on these cars if you want to go that route..prochargers are generally a bit cheaper.

SiCkRs

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http://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-clas...nacharger.html
this is what im thinking of buying. I love the whine of root superchargers i have a svt lightning and the whine sound is so awsome i want it on my ls too.

406TPI

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Yes..the whine is intoxicating! LOL I toyed with putting rear cogs on mine...but I thought that might be a bit much.

I don't know where you would be able to find the base manifold for that blower...I imagine it's going to be very expensive. I would venture to say you would have another $1K just to get that kit up and running. I'd low ball him if you really want it. Get a hold Magnacharger and inquire about a price for the base.

SiCkRs

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Oh ok. Do you have a thread on all the modifications you had to do to install your supercharger?

topteam54

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Magnuson tends to not sell the parts to the public without an account. They prefer to have you send the blower to them and charge there assembly fees. I was quoted $1500 to purchase a lower tub and replace.

Some of my current projects.

SiCkRs

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NICE! i see you got some cts-v brembos

topteam54

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Yea a few kits. 6 piston and 4 piston sets.

SiCkRs

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which car are your 6 piston gonna go on 3g?

topteam54

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68 Camaro.

NemeSS-TyranT

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Im gonna make a setup to run a fotd gt500 mp112 on my rs.
I goy the 09 gt500 blower with elbow and snout and stock pulley for 500$ shipped.
600 miles. Looks new.

SiCkRs

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nice post pics once you have it setup. I am undecided whether to go turbo or supercharger.

Z28FAST1

I'm in the same boat as you, can't decide whether to go S/C or Turbo on my next build. Check out the Huron turbo kits. They are selling for about $3k complete (few thousands less than a S/C) and should fit a 3rd gen with some mods.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...oil-lines.html






If I can find a low mile aluminum 5.3, my H/C LS1 + SSW headers are coming out this summer and TPITERR is going to have a fun project

SiCkRs

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That kit looks really nice! The car i bought had a turbo kit but the turbo i bought did not line up to the down pipe. Sorry its a blurry pic was taking with my POS phone


this is how it was before i was thinking of buying the same turbo he had but it was a ebay one and ive heard too many bad stuff about buying cheap turbos.

406TPI

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What are your power goals/ intended use with the car? That will determine your path. S/C's are nice, but they do have limitations...

6SIX6

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Dam this thread is making me wanna turbo my car again. Id like to do it but with the amount of modification needed to put one in I just dont want to as the car sat for 5years already and I dont want it sitting again before I get to drive it. Too bad they dont have a kit for our cars but I guess the demand would be so low for it.

NemeSS-TyranT

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Any interest in a bolt on ford gt500 blower based setup.
Im working on one. at the moment. But it will require a taller hood.
Actually im designing it for ls trucks. But will fit most swaps.
(not 4th gens) but should work on 3rd gens with taller hoods.
Its gonna be at least 3in taller than usual roots blower setups.
And will need a ls truck crank pulley offset.
If anything i can sell just the adapter kit. And belt drive.
But its looking to be bout 4500-4800$ for new everything. Throttle body included.

Ive seen the new gt500s run 9s on full bolt ons,pully,tune on stock blower.
I think they are at the 650rwhp range now

SiCkRs

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my power goals is too have a low 10sec track/street car. Well if i went supercharger i was also thinking of running a 100shot that way would help me reach my goals.

SiCkRs

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you have any pics of it installed?

Z28FAST1

This would be interesting. Using the 2013 blower or the older blower?

NemeSS-TyranT

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Im goin off a 2011 unit.
Workin on the plenum. Im a machinist, so i can cad and make all the parts.
Im gonna make all the prototype parts manually on lathe, or saw-saw.
It looks like it wil be about 2in overall taller than a gm 2000+ vortec truck intake manifold.
It should fit ls trucks. But the real goal is make for my 91 rs.
I havr a 3.5 cowl hood. So should have no prob. Under hood.
But it will be 100% bolt on and im gonna make so can use common idler pullies and belts from auto zone.
Also im goin to have the factory pancake ac compressor on the rs.
Im gonna keep ac on my car. All with the sc.
All the accesory drive i will make custom out of 6061 .500 plate

SiCkRs

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hmm this is very interesting if you could keep a/c this sounds very interesting something id be into within how long you think you will have the protype?

NemeSS-TyranT

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Its in a build phase.
I machined and worked on some of the parts today during my break.
Still not complete. Im gonna start my build thread with pics,info,etc.

406TPI

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Will it be intercooled?

NemeSS-TyranT

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Does ur magnacharger have an ic?
I believe i have seen mags, whipples and kb that are non ic.
I have had great results before with pre compressor meth/h20 injection.
It will not have an ic on the first one im building. On mine.
I am looking into adapting a ic though.
I can do it, but im working with as many off the shelf parts as possible.
Have considered 03-04 cobra ic.

NemeSS-TyranT

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I could be wrong but the above blowers do not look like they have an ic. It just looks way too lo pro to have one in there like oe ford blower cars.
I have built a turbo car with pre compressor meth/h20. Its add, kicks out 650rw thru built th400/8.8. motor is just a stock cam longblock 5.3 with dial springs,ported/spring oil pump. Hardened pushrods. Stock ls1 c5 intake and stock truck tb.
Car rolls the f out on plain ole pump gas, never any issues. No fmic.
Just proper maint like anything else. Regular upkeep is all.

406TPI

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Yes, mine is intercooled. On the 112 blower results are less than desirable without an IC on pump gas.

I know Magnacharger made a kit for the vettes that was non-intercooled..I think they were pretty limited in boost to about 6psi.

The 112's are neat little blowers but they do make alot of heat. I would not run one without an IC. Some guy did over on Tech and roached his motor in short order...probably due to a less than optimal tune which is key to making them last.

NemeSS-TyranT

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im gonna have to take ur word on it about the heat. Im gonna give a try. I dont think the air can really be too much hotter than a mid size tc78 at bout 15psi. Non intercooled. Jusy pte compressor meth/water inj. On psi switch. Spot on tune. Capable fuel system of course.
The turbo comp has to deal with the turbines radiating heat and the mp112 doesnt.
So well see, i believe it will make a full time proper temp 600-650rw on pump and no intercooler on a stock 4.8 with pre comp meth/water injection.
Buily th400/12bolt. Im shooting for high to mid 10s with it
How much does your car make on pump and what does it run?

406TPI

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I have never seen a 112 make anything over about 550rwhp. The High helix version however seems to do a touch better.

Here's a little reading for you...also if you go over on to ls1gto.com and search there is alot of good info in the 112's.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...ut-blower.html

topteam54

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My maggies are 2300s. Both have IC in them with an External heat exchanger. I'm sure doing an image google search would help. I actually paid less than $7k for BOTH complete blowers. The polished one is brand new. They're both complete ready to bolt on.

Pocket

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Built and ran one under a stock hood for a year. Put it up for sale at half that and had no interest

Best of luck to you

BTW its a M122 not a M112, those were on the old cobras with a pass inlet

NemeSS-TyranT

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Yea. Im on phone. Keep typin incorrect no and words. fat finger.
I follwed your thread. Im mounting it on the manifold. Yours was mounted on the side.
Im gonna keep the oe truck crank pulley and run off that.
There is no price set. Hell i could just have a kit to adapt it.
If a car guy can find hid own blower and such. Can do it on the way cheaper side.
Been seeing these blowers at very attractive prices.

Pocket

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The 10 rib drive will be the big spender. Belt spacing is of no importance

You can run them on a 6 rib belt if you like, but the belt wont last very long

An inexpensive manifold would be attractive, but currently no one offers one. Magnacharger used to be a source, but recently will not sell parts individually

NemeSS-TyranT

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Yes gonna run off 6 rib. The mags run off a 6rib jackshaft. I know the jackshaft drives the 10rib in the rear. Im gonna make the brackets to run idler pullies. Gonna use both spring.loaded tensioner. And i alredy make a mechanical tensioner for ls motors.
I expect belt life to be shorter than common use.
I have seen the lowest priced maggies at around 5k$ and that wad the truck kit.
The vette and camaro are significantly higher. Around 7k$
Those are the msrp though. Maybe tje dealers sell lower.
I like the idea that you used for you crank. I have access to machine shop. I can make those parts. But i want to see how much i can get away with 6rib
The gear head in me just wont let it go.

406TPI

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I have run the 6 rib for 2 years with no slip on a 3.0 front pulley.

Pocket

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What is your drive ratio?

406TPI

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1:1 on the rears. I did that to allow a larger front pulley.

Pocket

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I meant the entire system

406TPI

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Blower speed is 15.7K at 6500rpm....calculated of coarse.

Pocket

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Drive ratio is crank diameter/SC pulley

With an over/under driven jackshaft its (Crank/JS front)*(SC pulley/JS rear)

Using those numbers your DR is 2.41 and crank pulley 7.25"

You're right at the verge of what the 6 rib can do if not a little beyond. For reference, my DR was 3.0, so a 6 rib would last about 50 miles before it was ribbons

NemeSS-TyranT

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Currently i have a 7.5 crank and 3 sc=2.5 dr
It may be pushing it on 6rib. I plan on at least 6500rpm shifts.
May have to just build 8rib right off. I really want push this thing. 8rib should help alot.

406TPI

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Interesting..plenty of guys over on LS1gto getting the 6 rib to live at a much worse ratio than what I run

SiCkRs

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well i know i made this thread about supercharger but since its in forced inductions i decided to show you guys what i got
i picked this up today for under $400


Master Power gt45

406TPI

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It's all good, you'll make more power with a turbo anyways. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.

SiCkRs

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Yeah just gonna have a lil boostlag but i dont think it will affect me too much.

406TPI

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I'm actually considering selling my set-up and doing a turbo 5.3.

SiCkRs

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Well now turbo 5.3 are everywhere and everyone is getting good power out of them.

NemeSS-TyranT

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And im goin from turbo ls to pd ls.
I build hot/cold parts for locals for ls cars. On my own car i just want that roots blower look.
If i really wanted to make big hp. Id build my rs with my twin tc78 on a forged 6.0
My uncle is a dealer for turbonetics. So i get the parts at lower costs. Thats y i use tnetics on everything