UNBELIEVABLE EMBLEM COLLECTION
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UNBELIEVABLE EMBLEM COLLECTION
Just picked up a nice case for my emblems and wanted to share this collection with everyone. I have almost completed my 1982-1992 Camaro dash emblem collection. I am in need of only 1 emblem (1982-84 purple cross-fire). This collection includes the rarest emblems - 20th anniversary map pouch, 500 pace car, BOTH ZF dealer packages Gold and Silver.
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WOW! The gold ZF is next to impossible to find. I have a silver ZF, but have never even seen a gold one pop up for sale.
As far as the purple, Scott has always said it did not exist. And that's fine, but I had a friend in high school, probably around 91 or so, with an 82 Z28 that had the purple emblem. It's possible that it faded, even way back then, but why is the bottom line never faded? It's not really important, but it's still my favorite emblem. Here are a few of the purples that I have accumulated over the years. The top crossfire is a mess, it was glued on with what appears to be Elmers glue. As for the plain 'ol purple Z28 emblems, the one next to the bottom appears to be reddish, like it is starting to fade, so I don't know.
As far as the purple, Scott has always said it did not exist. And that's fine, but I had a friend in high school, probably around 91 or so, with an 82 Z28 that had the purple emblem. It's possible that it faded, even way back then, but why is the bottom line never faded? It's not really important, but it's still my favorite emblem. Here are a few of the purples that I have accumulated over the years. The top crossfire is a mess, it was glued on with what appears to be Elmers glue. As for the plain 'ol purple Z28 emblems, the one next to the bottom appears to be reddish, like it is starting to fade, so I don't know.
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Two-if-by-sea - Its hard to say with the purple emblems. I believe they are purple as you have stated the bottoms never fade and usually you can tell fading, these seem to be made in the color. Check out the Silver ZF door handle badge I grabbed along with the dash one.
Ruskusz28 - The ZF packages were a dealer package. Packages included a sunroof (not t-top), special pin stripping around the body with the ZF emblems on fenders, rear bumper, door handles (Very rare) and dash. Some included wood grain panels on the dash peices. Check out this webpage shows all the rare third gens people have never heard of - http://www.camarosource.ca/rare_specialty/2/
Ruskusz28 - The ZF packages were a dealer package. Packages included a sunroof (not t-top), special pin stripping around the body with the ZF emblems on fenders, rear bumper, door handles (Very rare) and dash. Some included wood grain panels on the dash peices. Check out this webpage shows all the rare third gens people have never heard of - http://www.camarosource.ca/rare_specialty/2/
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The badges were never purple. The color faded under the gel coat. If you'll notice, every single one of your "purple" emblems is a different shade and the purple isn't consistent on any of the badges. They are all different. All dash badges started out with the tri-red or yellow badges. If they made them purple, you would not have so many different purple shades and gradients.
You say you want the 88 RS badge. Are you talking about the 88 Sport Coupe or the limited production RS? The dash emblem for the Sport Coupe is already in your collection. It says "Camaro"
You say you want the 88 RS badge. Are you talking about the 88 Sport Coupe or the limited production RS? The dash emblem for the Sport Coupe is already in your collection. It says "Camaro"
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Re: UNBELIEVABLE EMBLEM COLLECTION
That's interesting. My dash badge doesn't match either of those IROC badges exactly. The IROC-Z part of my badge is yellow, but the upper 1/3 of the Z28 part is orange. Maybe the sun darkened it? I'll try to get a picture of it tomorrow when the sun is out.
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Afremont - I would like to see that emblem just for curious reasons.
Also
RuckusZ28
Here are pictures of a ZF CAMARO. - http://imageshack.us/g/805/100pg.jpg/
Also
RuckusZ28
Here are pictures of a ZF CAMARO. - http://imageshack.us/g/805/100pg.jpg/
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Damn Ive seen a few gold zf emblems before and didnt grab them.Didnt know they were hard to find
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Here is the pic, but the color is off in the camera. It's coming out too light on the colors. Even though the top 1/3 and the IROC part look nearly the same color in the pic, they don't look that way to your eyes. In real life, the IROC part is just a tad darker than the top 1/3 of the Z-28 part looks, leaving the top part looking orange. So I guess what I have is the "correct" yellow badge, but the sun has affected it apparently:
And now a super rare RS-Z/28 emblem straight from the showroom floor. This is just the way the car came new, no kidding. You can see that the Tuned Port Injection Sticker that used to be there has peeled off.
EDIT: I'm going to see if I can get a pic with a different camera. I'm thinking the IR or UV filter in the phone camera is making the colors off from how they actually appear to your eyes. To your eyes, the yellow bottom IROC does not match any of the colors used in the Z28 lettering. The IROC part is shades of orange and the Z28 part is definitely yellow. Must be sun fade that does this. It's so strange to see that it's clearly yellow in the picture, but it don't look that way in real life.
And now a super rare RS-Z/28 emblem straight from the showroom floor. This is just the way the car came new, no kidding. You can see that the Tuned Port Injection Sticker that used to be there has peeled off.
EDIT: I'm going to see if I can get a pic with a different camera. I'm thinking the IR or UV filter in the phone camera is making the colors off from how they actually appear to your eyes. To your eyes, the yellow bottom IROC does not match any of the colors used in the Z28 lettering. The IROC part is shades of orange and the Z28 part is definitely yellow. Must be sun fade that does this. It's so strange to see that it's clearly yellow in the picture, but it don't look that way in real life.
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Your emblem is just faded over the years, Ebay has been posting some of the yellow IROC-Z for pretty cheap. I picked up myne with all tabed for about $20 shipped.
About your RS ground effects, The RS was never made with a TPI engine, only the 3.1, the TBI or EFI engines. If you are the first and only owner I believe you have one of those factory mishaps. If your not the first owner its possible a previous owner made some changes of their own.
About your RS ground effects, The RS was never made with a TPI engine, only the 3.1, the TBI or EFI engines. If you are the first and only owner I believe you have one of those factory mishaps. If your not the first owner its possible a previous owner made some changes of their own.
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It's funny though, like I described, in real life the top is not yellow. I know it looks that way in the picture, but I promise you if you saw it in daylight, you'd see that the top part is not yellow. I'm sure it's just faded, though you'd think I'd have noticed the subtle change over the years.
As for the RS emblem, yes I bought my car brand spanking new and it was like that. I suppose the dealership could be responsible, but there was never any trace of paint damage or anything from having a previous emblem removed. I don't know if the factory or the dealership did it, but I scrutinized my car when I noticed that looking for signs of repainting or bodywork, screws that had been removed and reinserted. I couldn't find a trace of after the factory work.
You'd think that I'd have noticed it before I even bought the car, but I didn't. I noticed about a week later. Could be that the factory messed it up, maybe even on purpose as a joke, since there have been many stories here about hijinks in the assembly plants. Could have just been the dealership trying to cover up something. I kinda like having the only thirdgen RS/IROC Z-28.
As for the RS emblem, yes I bought my car brand spanking new and it was like that. I suppose the dealership could be responsible, but there was never any trace of paint damage or anything from having a previous emblem removed. I don't know if the factory or the dealership did it, but I scrutinized my car when I noticed that looking for signs of repainting or bodywork, screws that had been removed and reinserted. I couldn't find a trace of after the factory work.
You'd think that I'd have noticed it before I even bought the car, but I didn't. I noticed about a week later. Could be that the factory messed it up, maybe even on purpose as a joke, since there have been many stories here about hijinks in the assembly plants. Could have just been the dealership trying to cover up something. I kinda like having the only thirdgen RS/IROC Z-28.
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It sure is one of a kind. I would put my money on someone at the factory not reading the build sheet properly, forgot and made a mistake, or like you stated just played a joke.
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There are TPI engines in 91 and 92 RS cars. They are called B4Cs. Just an FYI
Also, the emblems that turned purple are due to the dyes or pigments in the different shade of red that was affected by the UV light. The bottom band probably has a more stable pigment color and wasn't affected by the UV as much or at all. Seriously, who in their right mind would mix color of purples and reds in a 3 band gradient? They don't coordinate with each other or complement each other at all. Two-if-by-sea posted a pic on the right that shows 3 emblems. If you look carefully at each emblem, the top band still has red that hasn't discolored yet. That should be proof that the red faded to a purple. Lets say that the sun discolored these the same that black carpet fades into blue.
Also, the emblems that turned purple are due to the dyes or pigments in the different shade of red that was affected by the UV light. The bottom band probably has a more stable pigment color and wasn't affected by the UV as much or at all. Seriously, who in their right mind would mix color of purples and reds in a 3 band gradient? They don't coordinate with each other or complement each other at all. Two-if-by-sea posted a pic on the right that shows 3 emblems. If you look carefully at each emblem, the top band still has red that hasn't discolored yet. That should be proof that the red faded to a purple. Lets say that the sun discolored these the same that black carpet fades into blue.
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Also, the emblems that turned purple are due to the dyes or pigments in the different shade of red that was affected by the UV light. The bottom band probably has a more stable pigment color and wasn't affected by the UV as much or at all. Seriously, who in their right mind would mix color of purples and reds in a 3 band gradient? They don't coordinate with each other or complement each other at all. Two-if-by-sea posted a pic on the right that shows 3 emblems. If you look carefully at each emblem, the top band still has red that hasn't discolored yet. That should be proof that the red faded to a purple. Lets say that the sun discolored these the same that black carpet fades into blue.
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Now that something I have never seen. I think the ZF package is just awful looking, but I do remember a few of them around town years ago. I think there were alot of them built, but few survive. Thankfully.
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Wonder why "5.0 LITER HO" emblems never turned purple? Or no purple "IROC-Z" emblems? It's really an oddity. As far as discoloration, almost no two of my emblems are the same shade of red or orange. Hawks has some NOS IROC emblems on EBay, and all three lines look red, though I do not have a single emblem in my collection that has three lines of pure red.
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Totally possible. I just pulled some parts off an old 82 last week, and nabbed the dash emblem. It's not in A1 condition, maybe I'll sit it in the window of my garage for a few months, see what happens. Of course, it really won't prove anything, as there is no telling when dyes may have changed.
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I don't have a new pic, but I asked my 8 year old daughter what color the top part was. It's most definitely orange. It's so weird that the pic makes it look so yellow. It seems that the badge didn't really "fade" in the sun, it got darker.
EDIT: Darker wouldn't be the right word, redder is more like it. I suspect the camera filters the deep near infrared light from my picture leaving only the yellow. I swear, it is clearly shades of orange in real life.
UPDATE: Different, much much better camera. The wife's Canon digital SLR. Adjust your picture until the dash looks jet black.
EDIT: Darker wouldn't be the right word, redder is more like it. I suspect the camera filters the deep near infrared light from my picture leaving only the yellow. I swear, it is clearly shades of orange in real life.
UPDATE: Different, much much better camera. The wife's Canon digital SLR. Adjust your picture until the dash looks jet black.
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EMBLEMS are Fun.
never could fig out, why GM would use 3 diff colors of Yellow for the Z28 emblem.
mine came with the 3 dif colors from Day 1, back in 1992.
would have Been nice to have them done in the Body color...or a Nice chrome
never could fig out, why GM would use 3 diff colors of Yellow for the Z28 emblem.
mine came with the 3 dif colors from Day 1, back in 1992.
would have Been nice to have them done in the Body color...or a Nice chrome
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Afremont - Your newest picture update does show the fading much better. Its a pretty sad looking emblem, may want to look into getting one in better shape.
ArticwhiteZ - Very nice dash emblem. Where did you get that made?
ArticwhiteZ - Very nice dash emblem. Where did you get that made?
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It's funny though, like I described, in real life the top is not yellow. I know it looks that way in the picture, but I promise you if you saw it in daylight, you'd see that the top part is not yellow. I'm sure it's just faded, though you'd think I'd have noticed the subtle change over the years.
As for the RS emblem, yes I bought my car brand spanking new and it was like that. I suppose the dealership could be responsible, but there was never any trace of paint damage or anything from having a previous emblem removed. I don't know if the factory or the dealership did it, but I scrutinized my car when I noticed that looking for signs of repainting or bodywork, screws that had been removed and reinserted. I couldn't find a trace of after the factory work.
You'd think that I'd have noticed it before I even bought the car, but I didn't. I noticed about a week later. Could be that the factory messed it up, maybe even on purpose as a joke, since there have been many stories here about hijinks in the assembly plants. Could have just been the dealership trying to cover up something. I kinda like having the only thirdgen RS/IROC Z-28.
As for the RS emblem, yes I bought my car brand spanking new and it was like that. I suppose the dealership could be responsible, but there was never any trace of paint damage or anything from having a previous emblem removed. I don't know if the factory or the dealership did it, but I scrutinized my car when I noticed that looking for signs of repainting or bodywork, screws that had been removed and reinserted. I couldn't find a trace of after the factory work.
You'd think that I'd have noticed it before I even bought the car, but I didn't. I noticed about a week later. Could be that the factory messed it up, maybe even on purpose as a joke, since there have been many stories here about hijinks in the assembly plants. Could have just been the dealership trying to cover up something. I kinda like having the only thirdgen RS/IROC Z-28.
Are all the other emblems Iroc emblems?
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made from Billlt alum. i add the colors and clear them.
Chris aka FSTFBDY on this site makes them.
try to get a better cam shot. with the flash and Hi Gloss makes it look crappy. but in true life they are smooth and good looking. the ONE i had him do below, shows it better, made to replace the lack luster LPE emblems... got to be smarter the the Cam.
made 1 to 1 size. but with a little something Extra
Chris aka FSTFBDY on this site makes them.
try to get a better cam shot. with the flash and Hi Gloss makes it look crappy. but in true life they are smooth and good looking. the ONE i had him do below, shows it better, made to replace the lack luster LPE emblems... got to be smarter the the Cam.
made 1 to 1 size. but with a little something Extra
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87cam sweet collection sell me that 20th anniversary map bag cummon please please last thing I need for my car to be factory correct,in the interior that is !!
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87cam do you think you could take some up close pics of the map bag the metal pieces on the corners with a ruler and the ruler by the screen printing up and down ways from the edges also need to know what color the stiching is, also with the flap open can you also tell me the length and width dimensions of the total bag i'm gonna try to remake one if all goes well I might make a few and put them on ebay if they look exactly like the real thing. so what do ya think can you help me out
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Your gonna need a map pouch from an 82-84 firebird which used the flip down lid.I believe in 85 they changed the style to an open pouch.I have a few of them available.....
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