Window Sticker - dealer copy
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Window Sticker - dealer copy
When I removed the door panel on the passenger side of my '84 T/A, I discovered the (fragile) dealer copy of the window sticker. It is so faint I cannot make a readable copy, but u can read the whole options list but only retail price on 3/4 of options. Mileage is 11 litres / 100 km which is about 24 mpg.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
That is a Build-Sheet... it is normal to find them in the car from being assembled.
They would not disassemble the Car to put a Bill of Sale in there.
They would not disassemble the Car to put a Bill of Sale in there.
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It's very possible that the original window sticker was dropped down the window channel. I have heard of this being done by previous owners or dealer prep when they needed to scrape the window sticker off the glass.
For those that are unaware, during the 80's, the window sticker was 100% stuck to the inside of the window, not just two strips across the top and bottom of the sticker. So, when a car was purchased, it would go back into service to be prepped for delivery and the window was wet down with window cleaner. After the sticker adhesive started to release, the window was scraped clean. This method of sticker removal rarely kept the entire sticker intact.
For those that are unaware, during the 80's, the window sticker was 100% stuck to the inside of the window, not just two strips across the top and bottom of the sticker. So, when a car was purchased, it would go back into service to be prepped for delivery and the window was wet down with window cleaner. After the sticker adhesive started to release, the window was scraped clean. This method of sticker removal rarely kept the entire sticker intact.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
I will take a picture tomorrow & u may see some of the printing. It is not a build sheet as I have a copy of the build sheet from my sold '72 Buick GS.
This paper states that it is the "dealer copy", & I believe it is the same that would have been on the window sticker but not state "dealer copy". But I could be wrong.
This paper states that it is the "dealer copy", & I believe it is the same that would have been on the window sticker but not state "dealer copy". But I could be wrong.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
That is not a build sheet. Looks like a "window sticker" (IE "Monromey" sticker)
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
Was there an actual build sheet or (broadcast sheet) for these cars or any gm cars in 1984 ??
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Yes. GM had been using build sheets years prior, and after, 1984. However, the documents were considered "trash" and often discarded along the way from assembly to dealership prep. There is no specific location nor guarantee of a car having one.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
Yes, the GM "Pre-Delivery Inspection" Technician would follow a long list of detailed assembly, testing, and preparatory Instructions...
Some of which were quite extensive.
More modern GM Vehicles have some extremely extensive Pre-Delivery Inspection Processes.
With more Technology coming in newer Vehicles, the process becomes far more in depth.
Most of the Vehicles that have been ordered with very expensive Wheels...
Are transported (Ship and Tractor-Trailer) with Temporary "Shipping Wheels" (Solid Black Steel Wheels and Tires) installed.
The actual Wheels and Tires for these Vehicles are shipped separately from the Vehicle (they will be Tagged with a VIN for the matching Vehicle).
Once the Vehicle comes off of the Delivery Truck, and the Wheels and Tires (TPM Sensors too) come via Freight...
The PDI Tech. Mounts, Balances, installs Wheels and Tires, and Programs the TPM System... the PDI is started and completed.
Years ago Most GM Dealerships would send Technicians to GM Training Facilities to tech the Pre-Delivery Inspection Process.
Then these Technicians would be dedicated PDI Technicians (and usually not do any other type of work).
Due to PDIs being so extensive, GM started to re-implement Dedicated PDI Technicians again...
It has been this way again now, for about 10 to 15 Years.
Some of which were quite extensive.
More modern GM Vehicles have some extremely extensive Pre-Delivery Inspection Processes.
With more Technology coming in newer Vehicles, the process becomes far more in depth.
Most of the Vehicles that have been ordered with very expensive Wheels...
Are transported (Ship and Tractor-Trailer) with Temporary "Shipping Wheels" (Solid Black Steel Wheels and Tires) installed.
The actual Wheels and Tires for these Vehicles are shipped separately from the Vehicle (they will be Tagged with a VIN for the matching Vehicle).
Once the Vehicle comes off of the Delivery Truck, and the Wheels and Tires (TPM Sensors too) come via Freight...
The PDI Tech. Mounts, Balances, installs Wheels and Tires, and Programs the TPM System... the PDI is started and completed.
Years ago Most GM Dealerships would send Technicians to GM Training Facilities to tech the Pre-Delivery Inspection Process.
Then these Technicians would be dedicated PDI Technicians (and usually not do any other type of work).
Due to PDIs being so extensive, GM started to re-implement Dedicated PDI Technicians again...
It has been this way again now, for about 10 to 15 Years.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
I used to have the pre-delivery check list for my 1970 Chevelle Malibu but along the way it got tossed. There were a huge number of check list items that had to be checked by a technician. After taking a good look at the sheet, the question arose - did the tech actually check every requirement? Only the techie knows!
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I used to have the pre-delivery check list for my 1970 Chevelle Malibu but along the way it got tossed. There were a huge number of check list items that had to be checked by a technician. After taking a good look at the sheet, the question arose - did the tech actually check every requirement? Only the techie knows!
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I have watched PDI’s at Dealerships. Most of them don’t last an hour. A car/truck comes off the transport, gets PDI’d, washed and you can take delivery in 2-3 hours. Not everything is being checked that’s on the list or it would take a couple days for delivery. Your mileage may vary.🤓
O... and the average PDI Labor-Time that GM pays, is only 1.2 Hours... regardless of how long it actually takes.
I am sure that some take less time, but some take way longer.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
For those that are unaware, during the 80's, the window sticker was 100% stuck to the inside of the window, not just two strips across the top and bottom of the sticker. So, when a car was purchased, it would go back into service to be prepped for delivery and the window was wet down with window cleaner. After the sticker adhesive started to release, the window was scraped clean. This method of sticker removal rarely kept the entire sticker intact.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
The dealer usually removed the window sticker & tossed them unless u specifically asked for it.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
When I took delivery of my 1970 Chevelle Malibu, I did not get the window sticker. The build sheet was in the trunk behind the "full size" spare tire.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
Here's the window sticker from my 1982 Z28. I removed it from the window, not the dealer. I soaked it with window cleaner until it was ready to lift off of the glass, then peeled it very carefully.
I removed the window sticker from my 1983 Z28, too, not the dealer. It was in the car, along with the owner's manual and all other documents, when the car was stolen in 1986. I received a copy of the invoice from GM Media Archives, I think it is/was known as. That's all they had for that car.
And for my 1987 Formula, I got the whole shebang from PHS, which included a "reproduction" window sticker, which is nothing more than a black-and-white photocopy. I think now they send color copies, so they, at least, LOOK like reproductions.
I removed the window sticker from my 1983 Z28, too, not the dealer. It was in the car, along with the owner's manual and all other documents, when the car was stolen in 1986. I received a copy of the invoice from GM Media Archives, I think it is/was known as. That's all they had for that car.
And for my 1987 Formula, I got the whole shebang from PHS, which included a "reproduction" window sticker, which is nothing more than a black-and-white photocopy. I think now they send color copies, so they, at least, LOOK like reproductions.
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The original must have been glued on and trashed like Scott described.
That's so sad about it being stolen. Sorry about that.
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Re: Window Sticker - dealer copy
GM, obviously, kept records/copies of invoices and window stickers, so you'd think it would've been just as important, if not more so, to retain records of build sheets, but apparently it didn't. At least, I haven't read of anyone receiving a copy of a build sheet in their packets of historical documents.
You really are a 69-er: a 69 Z and an 83 L69 Z.
Based on the VIN on your window sticker, 150855, looks like your 83 was built before mine, 156901, also an L69.
I'd probably still have mine, too, if I'd have gotten up and looked out the window that fateful morning when I was awakened by, what I assumed to be, my neighbor's Mustang GT starting up at its regular time.
That's cool. I dug mine out and discovered it's a dealer copy so my sales lady must have provided it for me. It sure is faded. I wonder how many copies there were?
The original must have been glued on and trashed like Scott described.
That's so sad about it being stolen. Sorry about that.
The original must have been glued on and trashed like Scott described.
That's so sad about it being stolen. Sorry about that.
Based on the VIN on your window sticker, 150855, looks like your 83 was built before mine, 156901, also an L69.
I'd probably still have mine, too, if I'd have gotten up and looked out the window that fateful morning when I was awakened by, what I assumed to be, my neighbor's Mustang GT starting up at its regular time.
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