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Like dagwood said, I'd bet most of it's paint is original. I wouldn't be surprised if it were damaged in shipping or something and the dealer did a repair before selling it to the original owner. Still a cool car, in my book. But I hear you. I ordered a 1988 Corvette in 1988. It was damaged in shipping. The dealer promised they could make it perfect so I gave them a chance. They did a crappy job and so I didn't want it anymore had them give me my deposit back.
It’s amazing how dealers will put little care into touching up a damaged new car just to get it off the lot. They figure most people won’t notice. A lot of body shops operate that way too. A guy I know opened a shop and used to do flawless work, but they got too much pushback from insurance and the customers just don’t notice. If you bring him a classic car and he knows you will appreciate flawless work, they will do it but insurance work is just done quick and cheap.
I still wanna know what Barrett-Jackson could possibly find out of line with this thread? With due respect to ALL parties, no one has done anything legally wrong. If someone altered any photos with the intent of misrepresenting the car, then that individual may have problems, but discussing certainly isn't a crime of any kind.
what happens when real photos surface taken at westworld that show LOT 442.1 exactly as I described it?
what exactly will you do then?
he has to do nothing .. he didnt make this thread and he didnt post the pics from facebook and if he did it still wouldnt matter .. and who is to say any new pics would be from the car you sold .. dude you got nothing , move on .. you look foolish
he has to do nothing .. he didnt make this thread and he didnt post the pics from facebook and if he did it still wouldnt matter .. and who is to say any new pics would be from the car you sold .. dude you got nothing , move on .. you look foolish
I would have liked to see some undercarriage pics of the car.
Yes! That would have told a better story on how the car was stored.. I mean what if it sat outside under a cover for a few years or something? Who knows? Like the 3000 mile IROC I saw in person that was all orange underneath because the owner’s wife put it outside, uncovered for years after he passed away..
I would honestly expect to find some kind of paint work or touch up work on most of them out there. They're old cars. If I were buying that particular car, I dont really feel that would have hurt the value all that much, honestly. And the overspray issues are a pretty simple fix. I'd be buying it because it has 344 miles on the odometer. 344 miles worth of drivetrain wear, interior wear, etc. Its a still a new car. Sure, I'd rather have one with no touch up work done, but finding a 344 mile car is where the challenge lies, and the incentive is. It brought good money, and the seller should be more than pleased with the outcome. I'm not going to say that it brought more than it was worth. It's still a very desirable car, and I'm sure it's still impressive as hell to see in person.
But if I were going to buy a super low mile car, I would look for a 5k mile car that I could drive every now and then and enjoy, for a lot less money. I wouldn't want to drive the 344 mile car.
Just my $.02
I would only buy a super low miler if it was a deal. I’m not in the $30k+ Club. It might be worth doing if you are a collector and are just going to get a concourse detail job and stick it in a climate controlled showroom where it will appreciate. If this car came my way in the $25-28k range paintwork or not I’d think about it but everything else would have to be not a stitch out of place with a spotless underside.
I also would prefer not to have the decal delete on a car like that.
I also wonder if someone had the car properly repainted by a meticulous restoration shop if that would increase the value if the original paint is lackluster and has evidence of touch ups.
Revealing crash damage is the only way this thread could be any more enjoyable.
Well this pic doesn't help it any. I dont know how I missed this pic before. There should NOT be an open seam here. This is a super tiny spot on the actual car. It's probably barely 1/2" wide. It's where the rear quarter sail panel meets the roof skin. Right at the top, rear corner of the drivers side window. I've owned 30-40 third gens. I used to flip them ALL THE TIME. This is a known cracking spot on hard tops.....but I have NEVER seen this. That is a perfect cut. You could literally walk right up to the car and not even see this. It's right under the drip rail with the paint overspray on it....
It should look like this. Heres the same spot on my car....
I sold a perfect paint car at Barrett-Jackson and we have nearly every post since mid page 5 accusing me and Barrett-Jackson of misrepresenting the sale.
just in case you are just joining us here this is Scott Moyer’s thread to moderate.
Doubt it will produce any info but Monday at work im gonna do a title snapshot and a carfax.
You never know. I bought this wrecked 2002 Z28 to flip back in 2004. It had 971 miles on it. The original owner only had liability insurance on it when he wrecked it. There was never an insurance payout on it. Clean carfax, clean title, everything.....
Well this pic doesn't help it any. I dont know how I missed this pic before. There should NOT be an open seam here. This is a super tiny spot on the actual car. It's probably barely 1/2" wide. It's where the rear quarter sail panel meets the roof skin. Right at the top, rear corner of the drivers side window. I've owned 30-40 third gens. I used to flip them ALL THE TIME. This is a known cracking spot on hard tops.....but I have NEVER seen this. That is a perfect cut. You could literally walk right up to the car and not even see this. It's right under the drip rail with the paint overspray on it....
It should look like this. Heres the same spot on my car....
I see it now. It was such a close up, I had a hard time appreciating what part of the car that was. Like you said, looks more like a cut.
You never know. I bought this wrecked 2002 Z28 to flip back in 2004. It had 971 miles on it. The original owner only had liability insurance on it when he wrecked it. There was never an insurance payout on it. Clean carfax, clean title, everything.....
You are right, I did my GTA and found that it was stolen in 89 and recoverd in 91. Don't cost me nothing to do it so we will see what it produces.
You are right, I did my GTA and found that it was stolen in 89 and recoverd in 91. Don't cost me nothing to do it so we will see what it produces.
Its definitely worth a shot! I'm just saying if it doesn't produce anything, it really means nothing. But if it does.......well that's a different story.
Like I said, a clean carfax really doesn't mean a thing. I have another example. The car in this pic was MY 2000 Z28 that my ex wife totaled in 2001. I bought the car back from the insurance company for a whopping $600. I bought it back for the LS1 and 6 speed. The car was only 10 months old. So, in about 2004, I ran a carfax on it just for fun. It came back CLEAN. I had the title in hand, and since I bought it back from the insurance company, the title never changed hands. 100% clear and clean. The carfax at that time even said that the car qualified for the "carfax $10,000 buyback guarantee" lol
Yes.....believe it or not she walked about a half mile to a farm place to wake them up and use their phone. (Happened around 1:00 am) She didnt break a single bone, and didnt even require any stitches. She was banged up REALLY, REALLY bad, though. And today, is currently scheduled for neck surgery as a result from this crash all those years ago. Shes the mother of my daughters.
I started reading this thread a while back and just now finished it and realized I am 72 years old, good grief, there must be a better use of my golden years.
This thread will set records for replies, if it hasn't already with 938? It will also set the record for views before this matter is resolved since it seems to have 38,290 at this point. It has really stirred up a lot of INTEREST if nothing else ever comes of this! All I can say is "very interesting, but stupid" or "stupid, but very interesting" I'll stay tuned in for the long run.
Last edited by yo soy el warg; 01-26-2019 at 03:58 PM.
Reason: Corrected the amount of views
I sold a perfect paint car at Barrett-Jackson and we have nearly every post since mid page 5 accusing me and Barrett-Jackson of misrepresenting the sale.
just in case you are just joining us here this is Scott Moyer’s thread to moderate.
think before you post. This may seem funny today but shortly I suspect nobody in charge of this site will be laughing
Still trying to post threats to scare the community, huh? Didn't I warn you? Yet another example where you contradict yourself since you previously said you're doing no such thing.
Originally Posted by CPC Norwood
JT,
i am not threatimg you.
Call and introduce yourself to Matt Ohre st Barrett. He will speak to you I am pretty sure.
Originally Posted by CPC Norwood
Just so you guys do not wander too far off the reservation.
The images hosted here at post 258 are fake.
There was zero post assembly paint work done In the areas depicted in the images.
You still don't seem to understand the origins of the pictures posted in question. And that we're simply discussing pictures available on the Internet.
You know Phil, sometimes people ask questions and get unexpected answers to them, ones they hadn't anticipated or wanted.
I don't expect you play poker and if you do, I don't see you as being very good at it - you have more tells than a library. I will point out that Scott's tone changed in the last 24 hours or so, you may or may not have noticed that. To me, and I don't think I'm letting anything out of the bag here, that would tell me he has something, something you may not want everyone to see, and because of the poker player HE is, isn't showing his hand.
The smartest people I have ever known said the least.
Phil, if you provide pictures that are of the car at West World, exactly as you describe it, that are clear enough to determine that no paint work was done, I will say that it's about time. We've been asking for it since somewhere around post 258, so almost 700 posts later, you're finally offering them up? I'm not sure why you wanted to destroy your reputation over this if you had the photos the entire time.
How will we know they are at West World. I mean, the date and time stamp can be photoshopped, remember? Will we need to use the reflections in the car, because they are close up shots, to determine 2x4 drop ceiling or tent supports? Or maybe the security sign reflection in the A pillar, which can all be photoshopped? How will we know the photos weren't doctored, because, well, you know, photoshop?
If you produce evidence that the car is perfect and no paint work, and the pictures can be proven to be before the auction, I will congratulate you on wasting all of our time for days. How's that? Is there something more you're expecting?
Still trying to post threats to scare the community, huh? Didn't I warn you? Yet another example where you contradict yourself since you previously said you're doing no such thing.
You still don't seem to understand that the origins of the pictures posted in question. And that we're simply discussing pictures available on the Internet.
I'm not Scott but I'll provide my own answer to your question. I will send you a self-help book because all of this is due to your really poor handling of a rather simple discussion over pictures.
welcome back JT.
Not much has changed the moderators are standing idle letting the board run wild with all kinds of stuff here
my position has not changed one iota
so how much money has this spectacle made for the owner of the forum?
01-26-2019, 01:46 PM
