1989 IROC 344 original miles
#852
Moderator
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Normally, Drew, the pics would be fine to inject levity, but in this case, Phil is just looking for something to "catch us red handed" with, since he has nothing else. That's why he is continuing to stay here even after we asked him to leave. He's reaching for something.
#856
Moderator
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Yay! I can do that also. I have a photo of me with Brandon Meriweather from the NE Patriots from just last weekend. I also have a photo of me with Don Garlits. I also have a photo of me with Stacey David. I have a picture of me with Jeff Allen and Meg Bailey from Car Chasers. So What?
Guess what? There are members here that have personal friendships with people even more famous than that. What're you showing us?
Guess what? There are members here that have personal friendships with people even more famous than that. What're you showing us?
#858
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Normally, Drew, the pics would be fine to inject levity, but in this case, Phil is just looking for something to "catch us red handed" with, since he has nothing else. That's why he is continuing to stay here even after we asked him to leave. He's reaching for something.
you just go on being who who you are and I will keep an eye on you fellas.
hows that sound?
#859
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Sunny Florida
Posts: 1,823
Received 228 Likes
on
152 Posts
Car: 96 WS6 Formula Ram Air SLP
Engine: LT1
Transmission: 6 spd
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Yay! I can do that also. I have a photo of me with Brandon Meriweather from the NE Patriots from just last weekend. I also have a photo of me with Don Garlits. I also have a photo of me with Stacey David. I have a picture of me with Jeff Allen and Meg Bailey from Car Chasers. So What?
Guess what? There are members here that have personal friendships with people even more famous than that. What're you showing us?
Guess what? There are members here that have personal friendships with people even more famous than that. What're you showing us?
#862
Supreme Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In the paint booth!
Posts: 2,658
Received 1,186 Likes
on
664 Posts
Car: 1986 Camaro Drag Car
Engine: 383 on Ethanol
Transmission: Automatic
Axle/Gears: 3.90 Currie 9 inch
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Hmmmmm......Looks like this thread.......someone is speaking, and not a single person is listening.
I dont think the car is the issue here. I feel it's more of an ego killer. After all, the seller of the world record selling base iroc decal delete blah blah blah is a "celebrity" concours de elegance thing guest speaker blah blah blah that's had his picture taken with someone famous......and he should be on talk shows for being Barrett Jackson rock star for selling a $34k car, signing autographs, tv programs, etc. He should be a household name. Not being shamed for not coming clean about selling a car thats had some paint work.
The car is what it is. It's still a killer, 344 mile car. I'm sure it's awesome to see in person. And like most have said, it's not surprising that its had some paint touch up work done. After all it's an old car that was stored in a not so great place. All I have said was that it was a shame the parts were taped off, etc....and not done right for what the car deserves. Parts should have been removed to do the job right. And I'm sure that most of the paint is, in fact, original. I would still love to own it, regardless, as would every third gen enthusiast.
#863
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Hmmmmm......Looks like this thread.......someone is speaking, and not a single person is listening.
I dont think the car is the issue here. I feel it's more of an ego killer. After all, the seller of the world record selling base iroc decal delete blah blah blah is a "celebrity" concours de elegance thing guest speaker blah blah blah that's had his picture taken with someone famous......and he should be on talk shows for being Barrett Jackson rock star for selling a $34k car, signing autographs, tv programs, etc. He should be a household name. Not being shamed for not coming clean about selling a car thats had some paint work.
The car is what it is. It's still a killer, 344 mile car. I'm sure it's awesome to see in person. And like most have said, it's not surprising that its had some paint touch up work done. After all it's an old car that was stored in a not so great place. All I have said was that it was a shame the parts were taped off, etc....and not done right for what the car deserves. Parts should have been removed to do the job right. And I'm sure that most of the paint is, in fact, original. I would still love to own it, regardless, as would every third gen enthusiast.
I dont think the car is the issue here. I feel it's more of an ego killer. After all, the seller of the world record selling base iroc decal delete blah blah blah is a "celebrity" concours de elegance thing guest speaker blah blah blah that's had his picture taken with someone famous......and he should be on talk shows for being Barrett Jackson rock star for selling a $34k car, signing autographs, tv programs, etc. He should be a household name. Not being shamed for not coming clean about selling a car thats had some paint work.
The car is what it is. It's still a killer, 344 mile car. I'm sure it's awesome to see in person. And like most have said, it's not surprising that its had some paint touch up work done. After all it's an old car that was stored in a not so great place. All I have said was that it was a shame the parts were taped off, etc....and not done right for what the car deserves. Parts should have been removed to do the job right. And I'm sure that most of the paint is, in fact, original. I would still love to own it, regardless, as would every third gen enthusiast.
#864
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 9,754
Received 582 Likes
on
400 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Hmmmmm......Looks like this thread.......someone is speaking, and not a single person is listening.
I dont think the car is the issue here. I feel it's more of an ego killer. After all, the seller of the world record selling base iroc decal delete blah blah blah is a "celebrity" concours de elegance thing guest speaker blah blah blah that's had his picture taken with someone famous......and he should be on talk shows for being Barrett Jackson rock star for selling a $34k car, signing autographs, tv programs, etc. He should be a household name. Not being shamed for not coming clean about selling a car thats had some paint work.
The car is what it is. It's still a killer, 344 mile car. I'm sure it's awesome to see in person. And like most have said, it's not surprising that its had some paint touch up work done. After all it's an old car that was stored in a not so great place. All I have said was that it was a shame the parts were taped off, etc....and not done right for what the car deserves. Parts should have been removed to do the job right. And I'm sure that most of the paint is, in fact, original. I would still love to own it, regardless, as would every third gen enthusiast.
I dont think the car is the issue here. I feel it's more of an ego killer. After all, the seller of the world record selling base iroc decal delete blah blah blah is a "celebrity" concours de elegance thing guest speaker blah blah blah that's had his picture taken with someone famous......and he should be on talk shows for being Barrett Jackson rock star for selling a $34k car, signing autographs, tv programs, etc. He should be a household name. Not being shamed for not coming clean about selling a car thats had some paint work.
The car is what it is. It's still a killer, 344 mile car. I'm sure it's awesome to see in person. And like most have said, it's not surprising that its had some paint touch up work done. After all it's an old car that was stored in a not so great place. All I have said was that it was a shame the parts were taped off, etc....and not done right for what the car deserves. Parts should have been removed to do the job right. And I'm sure that most of the paint is, in fact, original. I would still love to own it, regardless, as would every third gen enthusiast.
#865
Banned
Thread Starter
#866
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Sunny Florida
Posts: 1,823
Received 228 Likes
on
152 Posts
Car: 96 WS6 Formula Ram Air SLP
Engine: LT1
Transmission: 6 spd
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
drop that much $$$ that is what I'd be after ...........IMO anyway
#867
#869
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 9,754
Received 582 Likes
on
400 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Like dagwood said, I'd bet most of it's paint is original. I wouldn't be surprised if it were damaged in shipping or something and the dealer did a repair before selling it to the original owner. Still a cool car, in my book. But I hear you. I ordered a 1988 Corvette in 1988. It was damaged in shipping. The dealer promised they could make it perfect so I gave them a chance. They did a crappy job and so I didn't want it anymore had them give me my deposit back.
Last edited by chazman; 01-26-2019 at 12:12 PM.
#871
Supreme Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In the paint booth!
Posts: 2,658
Received 1,186 Likes
on
664 Posts
Car: 1986 Camaro Drag Car
Engine: 383 on Ethanol
Transmission: Automatic
Axle/Gears: 3.90 Currie 9 inch
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
But if I were going to buy a super low mile car, I would look for a 5k mile car that I could drive every now and then and enjoy, for a lot less money. I wouldn't want to drive the 344 mile car.
Just my $.02
#872
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 9,754
Received 582 Likes
on
400 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
I would honestly expect to find some kind of paint work or touch up work on most of them out there. They're old cars. If I were buying that particular car, I dont really feel that would have hurt the value all that much, honestly. And the overspray issues are a pretty simple fix. I'd be buying it because it has 344 miles on the odometer. 344 miles worth of drivetrain wear, interior wear, etc. Its a still a new car. Sure, I'd rather have one with no touch up work done, but finding a 344 mile car is where the challenge lies, and the incentive is. It brought good money, and the seller should be more than pleased with the outcome. I'm not going to say that it brought more than it was worth. It's still a very desirable car, and I'm sure it's still impressive as hell to see in person.
But if I were going to buy a super low mile car, I would look for a 5k mile car that I could drive every now and then and enjoy, for a lot less money. I wouldn't want to drive the 344 mile car.
Just my $.02
But if I were going to buy a super low mile car, I would look for a 5k mile car that I could drive every now and then and enjoy, for a lot less money. I wouldn't want to drive the 344 mile car.
Just my $.02
Totally agree!
#873
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 9,754
Received 582 Likes
on
400 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
I would honestly expect to find some kind of paint work or touch up work on most of them out there. They're old cars. If I were buying that particular car, I dont really feel that would have hurt the value all that much, honestly. And the overspray issues are a pretty simple fix. I'd be buying it because it has 344 miles on the odometer. 344 miles worth of drivetrain wear, interior wear, etc. Its a still a new car. Sure, I'd rather have one with no touch up work done, but finding a 344 mile car is where the challenge lies, and the incentive is. It brought good money, and the seller should be more than pleased with the outcome. I'm not going to say that it brought more than it was worth. It's still a very desirable car, and I'm sure it's still impressive as hell to see in person.
But if I were going to buy a super low mile car, I would look for a 5k mile car that I could drive every now and then and enjoy, for a lot less money. I wouldn't want to drive the 344 mile car.
Just my $.02
But if I were going to buy a super low mile car, I would look for a 5k mile car that I could drive every now and then and enjoy, for a lot less money. I wouldn't want to drive the 344 mile car.
Just my $.02
You being a painter, what areas look redone? I'd say driver's door, quarter with some blending around the bumper cover.
#874
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Just so you guys do not wander too far off the reservation.
The images hosted here at post 258 are fake.
There was zero post assembly paint work done In the areas depicted in the images.
The images hosted here at post 258 are fake.
There was zero post assembly paint work done In the areas depicted in the images.
#878
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Ok boys,
who wants to to take my challenge?
i have a two man production crew ready to fly to see the car and film it.
the person who takes the challenge gets two paid airline tickets to the location of the car.
i will bring my independent verifier.
The photos and the areas as indicated are the areas in dispute
SO:
if the car is not exactly as it was represented I will pay you $50,000 USD wired directly to your bank account.
however if the car is as represented you will pay all expenses of all parties and you will wire $50,000 USD to the American Cancer society.
Well?? How about it you key board warriors?
chazman?
Scott Moyer?
put up or shut up.
who is it going to be?
who wants to to take my challenge?
i have a two man production crew ready to fly to see the car and film it.
the person who takes the challenge gets two paid airline tickets to the location of the car.
i will bring my independent verifier.
The photos and the areas as indicated are the areas in dispute
SO:
if the car is not exactly as it was represented I will pay you $50,000 USD wired directly to your bank account.
however if the car is as represented you will pay all expenses of all parties and you will wire $50,000 USD to the American Cancer society.
Well?? How about it you key board warriors?
chazman?
Scott Moyer?
put up or shut up.
who is it going to be?
PM me with your info. I need a bank line of credit for $56,000 USD and name of your guest
#882
Moderator
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
GOODBYE, Phill. You're aren't contributing any value to this thread any longer. You can leave at any time.
#883
Supreme Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In the paint booth!
Posts: 2,658
Received 1,186 Likes
on
664 Posts
Car: 1986 Camaro Drag Car
Engine: 383 on Ethanol
Transmission: Automatic
Axle/Gears: 3.90 Currie 9 inch
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
And, FWIW, I would rather have both quarters redone, rather than have a clear blend on a sail panel. Clear blends can be done, but are not recommended by any paint manufacturer, and are about impossible to make invisible.....at least to a trained eye.
I'd bet most of the basecoat is original, and just had some color blends done around the color overspray areas, and re cleared.
#884
Banned
Thread Starter
#885
Moderator
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Phil, you can't prove it now. The paint work that was pictured has had over a week to be removed. It's very easy to remove it all with the detailing supplies available today. You can't prove anything anymore because you probably altered the original canvas from what the pictures depicted. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You need to leave TGO because you have outstayed your welcome.
You should have allowed people to prove this while the car was still onsite and untouched, but you contaminated the "crime" scene by having the car removed from a high security location. Good job Phil. Your reputation is still on the line and your comments here are sinking it lower. I think I'll reach out to Wayne Carini and ask him if he saw this thread yet.
You should have allowed people to prove this while the car was still onsite and untouched, but you contaminated the "crime" scene by having the car removed from a high security location. Good job Phil. Your reputation is still on the line and your comments here are sinking it lower. I think I'll reach out to Wayne Carini and ask him if he saw this thread yet.
#886
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Phil, you can't prove it now. The paint work that was pictured has had over a week to be removed. It's very easy to remove it all with the detailing supplies available today. You can't prove anything anymore because you probably altered the original canvas from what the pictures depicted. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You need to leave TGO because you have outstayed your welcome.
You should have allowed people to prove this while the car was still onsite and untouched, but you contaminated the "crime" scene by having the car removed from a high security location. Good job Phil. Your reputation is still on the line and your comments here are sinking it lower. I think I'll reach out to Wayne Carini and ask him if he saw this thread yet.
You should have allowed people to prove this while the car was still onsite and untouched, but you contaminated the "crime" scene by having the car removed from a high security location. Good job Phil. Your reputation is still on the line and your comments here are sinking it lower. I think I'll reach out to Wayne Carini and ask him if he saw this thread yet.
#888
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Scott,
so so let me get this right:
the car is sold and somehow I got it removed?
and did you just refer to Barrett-Jackson property as a crime scene?
so so let me get this right:
the car is sold and somehow I got it removed?
and did you just refer to Barrett-Jackson property as a crime scene?
#889
Supreme Member
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 9,754
Received 582 Likes
on
400 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z. Original owner
Engine: LB9. Dual Cats. Big Cam
Transmission: World Class T-5
Axle/Gears: BW 3.45
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Both rear quarters and roof. And here's why. BOTH tail lights have overspray on the seals, the fuel door has a paint edge all the way around it, and the drivers drip rail has overspray on the front, bottom end. All of these things prove paint work was done AFTER assembly. There is no good break off point on these cars when repairing a quarter panel. Unless it's a convertible, of course. But on a hard top and t top car, to paint on one quarter requires clearing BOTH quarters and roof without doing a clear blend on a sail panel, which is not really the right way to do things, either. It's a great place to do a color blend, but the clear has to go all the way around. So, my professional opinion is just that. Both quarters and roof have had work.
And, FWIW, I would rather have both quarters redone, rather than have a clear blend on a sail panel. Clear blends can be done, but are not recommended by any paint manufacturer, and are about impossible to make invisible.....at least to a trained eye.
I'd bet most of the basecoat is original, and just had some color blends done around the color overspray areas, and re cleared.
And, FWIW, I would rather have both quarters redone, rather than have a clear blend on a sail panel. Clear blends can be done, but are not recommended by any paint manufacturer, and are about impossible to make invisible.....at least to a trained eye.
I'd bet most of the basecoat is original, and just had some color blends done around the color overspray areas, and re cleared.
#890
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
if i saw those problem areas on that car i would just walk away and have no interest in it .. i just couldnt deal with those issues on a 344 mile car , if it real has 344 miles ..
#891
Supreme Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In the paint booth!
Posts: 2,658
Received 1,186 Likes
on
664 Posts
Car: 1986 Camaro Drag Car
Engine: 383 on Ethanol
Transmission: Automatic
Axle/Gears: 3.90 Currie 9 inch
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Phil, you can't prove it now. The paint work that was pictured has had over a week to be removed. It's very easy to remove it all with the detailing supplies available today. You can't prove anything anymore because you probably altered the original canvas from what the pictures depicted. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You need to leave TGO because you have outstayed your welcome.
You should have allowed people to prove this while the car was still onsite and untouched, but you contaminated the "crime" scene by having the car removed from a high security location. Good job Phil. Your reputation is still on the line and your comments here are sinking it lower. I think I'll reach out to Wayne Carini and ask him if he saw this thread yet.
You should have allowed people to prove this while the car was still onsite and untouched, but you contaminated the "crime" scene by having the car removed from a high security location. Good job Phil. Your reputation is still on the line and your comments here are sinking it lower. I think I'll reach out to Wayne Carini and ask him if he saw this thread yet.
There will always be evidence, but would require removing parts. Rear quarter spoiler, etc.
#892
Moderator
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Phil, quoting all of our posts so that they can't be deleted by the person originally posting them does nothing. You do know that as moderators and administrators, we can delete ALL posts, even the ones in your history so that they can never be found again. A search for all posts you made CAN be easily cleaned up so these will never be found.
However, we have absolutely nothing to hide, or nothing to fear. So, you keep playing this game your playing, thinking you have us caught red handed and documenting all of this. You have nothing on us. Barrett Jackson doesn't care about this, they were just the consignor and you were the seller. Read their legal paperwork that people have to sign when they get a bidder's paddle. Also, a judge has already ruled in Barrett Jackson's favor to dismiss when someone said BJ misrepresented a car they sold at auction. It was deemed that BJ was just the middle man and sold the car based on the facts presented by the seller, so the case was dismissed. You keep saying that we're misrepresenting the car, but we have no legal interest or contractural obligations regarding this car, so we can't "legally misrepresent" anything. We're just a message board full of keyboard warriors discussing a car. Good luck prosecuting. You're still not helping your self in any way.
BTW, you can leave now!
However, we have absolutely nothing to hide, or nothing to fear. So, you keep playing this game your playing, thinking you have us caught red handed and documenting all of this. You have nothing on us. Barrett Jackson doesn't care about this, they were just the consignor and you were the seller. Read their legal paperwork that people have to sign when they get a bidder's paddle. Also, a judge has already ruled in Barrett Jackson's favor to dismiss when someone said BJ misrepresented a car they sold at auction. It was deemed that BJ was just the middle man and sold the car based on the facts presented by the seller, so the case was dismissed. You keep saying that we're misrepresenting the car, but we have no legal interest or contractural obligations regarding this car, so we can't "legally misrepresent" anything. We're just a message board full of keyboard warriors discussing a car. Good luck prosecuting. You're still not helping your self in any way.
BTW, you can leave now!
#893
Moderator
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
#894
Banned
Thread Starter
#895
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Sunny Florida
Posts: 1,823
Received 228 Likes
on
152 Posts
Car: 96 WS6 Formula Ram Air SLP
Engine: LT1
Transmission: 6 spd
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
This is a lot like the government shut-down - neither side will budge - Scott, how about considering a more permanent end to this on-going train wreck of a thread?
I think there might be some support of that here? No? Maybe a poll to decide ?? ......Just a thought
I think there might be some support of that here? No? Maybe a poll to decide ?? ......Just a thought
#896
Banned
Thread Starter
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
So Scott
what happens when real photos surface taken at westworld that show LOT 442.1 exactly as I described it?
what exactly will you do then?
what happens when real photos surface taken at westworld that show LOT 442.1 exactly as I described it?
what exactly will you do then?
#898
Supreme Member
iTrader: (9)
Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Phil if you have any photos you should have posted them a week ago. The ship has sailed man. You’re just continuing to make yourself look like a sheister. Good luck ever selling a thirdgen ever again. Your reputation will now follow you I promise.
#899
Banned
Thread Starter