1989 IROC 344 original miles
01-25-2019, 02:54 PM
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Just for the record, and hopefully to put this all to rest, I made a call to Barrett Jackson's legal department today regarding all of this. I will post details once I have something worth posting.
01-25-2019, 03:20 PM
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Thank you Scott, we appreciate your time....too bad it's gone down this road,
01-25-2019, 03:32 PM
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01-25-2019, 03:43 PM
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Here is today's winner of the "ding bat" award.
Dude - I had Reliable Carriers transport the car. The driver who picked the car up normally picks up at Jay Leno's and stated " this car is perfect and should be in Jay's collection" (That is a direct quote by the way) The car received a complete complete pre and post transport inspection and scored near perfect with two minor scuffs found on the one corner of the front fascia and I have a copy of the reports.
Any damage. ANY evidence of repaint or over-spray of any kind even dirt would have been noted upon inspection.
Is this board and its administrators going to now allow a public attack on the business reputation of Reliable Carriers now?
Please, Please stop making statements like this- further I would strongly recommend that the admin's start watching this thread for garbage like this. This topic is going way beyond stupid at this point.
Dude - I had Reliable Carriers transport the car. The driver who picked the car up normally picks up at Jay Leno's and stated " this car is perfect and should be in Jay's collection" (That is a direct quote by the way) The car received a complete complete pre and post transport inspection and scored near perfect with two minor scuffs found on the one corner of the front fascia and I have a copy of the reports.
Any damage. ANY evidence of repaint or over-spray of any kind even dirt would have been noted upon inspection.
Is this board and its administrators going to now allow a public attack on the business reputation of Reliable Carriers now?
Please, Please stop making statements like this- further I would strongly recommend that the admin's start watching this thread for garbage like this. This topic is going way beyond stupid at this point.
01-25-2019, 03:44 PM
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01-25-2019, 03:54 PM
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The only person putting blame on BJ has been Phil, unless I missed something.
01-25-2019, 04:01 PM
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Right now, they have nothing to look into. The forum is protected under federal law and has no liability in what the members say or do. The only time that changes is when an employee gets involved and starts slinging mud that could damage the reputation of others. At this time, nobody on this forum said that Barrett Jackson did anything wrong. At this time, nobody has accused anybody of doing anything wrong. Phil is trying to use certain words to trap people into saying something that he can use. But, the members of TGO are upstanding people and have not given into his games. He has nothing and he knows it.
Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, it states that Internet service providers cannot be held liable for anything third parties publish on a platform maintained by the service provider so long as the legal claim in question requires a showing of a “publishing.” No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. A forum is considered an interactive computer service. Given this fact, the highlighted language above becomes critical when you consider the elements a party must prove to win a defamation claim in court:
Under Section 230, defamation lawsuits are nearly impossible to win against user-generated content sites be they forums, social media sites, or even large video sites such as YouTube.
Section 230 protection only applies where the forum management and employees are passive participants in the allegedly defamatory act. The immunity is lost when a moderator, forum owner or employee actively makes the defamatory statement.
Absolutely no where in this thread will you find any post by a moderator, administrator or employee of IB that has defamed Barrett Jackson or Phil. He might not like what we have said about the car, but the inanimate object cannot file a lawsuit against us.
All legal jargon above is courtesy of the socalinternetlawyer website. https://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/...ternet-forums/
Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, it states that Internet service providers cannot be held liable for anything third parties publish on a platform maintained by the service provider so long as the legal claim in question requires a showing of a “publishing.” No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. A forum is considered an interactive computer service. Given this fact, the highlighted language above becomes critical when you consider the elements a party must prove to win a defamation claim in court:
- The publication of a statement of fact,
- The statement is false or unprivileged, and
- The statement injuries the reputation of the suing party.
Under Section 230, defamation lawsuits are nearly impossible to win against user-generated content sites be they forums, social media sites, or even large video sites such as YouTube.
Section 230 protection only applies where the forum management and employees are passive participants in the allegedly defamatory act. The immunity is lost when a moderator, forum owner or employee actively makes the defamatory statement.
Absolutely no where in this thread will you find any post by a moderator, administrator or employee of IB that has defamed Barrett Jackson or Phil. He might not like what we have said about the car, but the inanimate object cannot file a lawsuit against us.
All legal jargon above is courtesy of the socalinternetlawyer website. https://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/...ternet-forums/
01-25-2019, 04:20 PM
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i'm located in Rochester, NY. i'm not sure where this car is located now, but as an unbiased party observing this thread i would be willing to drive within a 6 hour radius of my location to look at this camaro. i would be more than happy to do a video walk-around, take photos (both with and without flash) and then upload all of the material to TGO in front of Phil and the new owner to make sure nothing is edited / photoshoped.
if that is of interest, please PM me.
if that is of interest, please PM me.
01-25-2019, 04:32 PM
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Right now, they have nothing to look into. The forum is protected under federal law and has no liability in what the members say or do. The only time that changes is when an employee gets involved and starts slinging mud that could damage the reputation of others. At this time, nobody on this forum said that Barrett Jackson did anything wrong. At this time, nobody has accused anybody of doing anything wrong. Phil is trying to use certain words to trap people into saying something that he can use. But, the members of TGO are upstanding people and have not given into his games. He has nothing and he knows it.
Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, it states that Internet service providers cannot be held liable for anything third parties publish on a platform maintained by the service provider so long as the legal claim in question requires a showing of a “publishing.” No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. A forum is considered an interactive computer service. Given this fact, the highlighted language above becomes critical when you consider the elements a party must prove to win a defamation claim in court:
Under Section 230, defamation lawsuits are nearly impossible to win against user-generated content sites be they forums, social media sites, or even large video sites such as YouTube.
Section 230 protection only applies where the forum management and employees are passive participants in the allegedly defamatory act. The immunity is lost when a moderator, forum owner or employee actively makes the defamatory statement.
Absolutely no where in this thread will you find any post by a moderator, administrator or employee of IB that has defamed Barrett Jackson or Phil. He might not like what we have said about the car, but the inanimate object cannot file a lawsuit against us.
All legal jargon above is courtesy of the socalinternetlawyer website. https://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/...ternet-forums/
Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, it states that Internet service providers cannot be held liable for anything third parties publish on a platform maintained by the service provider so long as the legal claim in question requires a showing of a “publishing.” No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. A forum is considered an interactive computer service. Given this fact, the highlighted language above becomes critical when you consider the elements a party must prove to win a defamation claim in court:
- The publication of a statement of fact,
- The statement is false or unprivileged, and
- The statement injuries the reputation of the suing party.
Under Section 230, defamation lawsuits are nearly impossible to win against user-generated content sites be they forums, social media sites, or even large video sites such as YouTube.
Section 230 protection only applies where the forum management and employees are passive participants in the allegedly defamatory act. The immunity is lost when a moderator, forum owner or employee actively makes the defamatory statement.
Absolutely no where in this thread will you find any post by a moderator, administrator or employee of IB that has defamed Barrett Jackson or Phil. He might not like what we have said about the car, but the inanimate object cannot file a lawsuit against us.
All legal jargon above is courtesy of the socalinternetlawyer website. https://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/...ternet-forums/
Scott,
Be sure to explain this to Matt Ohre when you speak to him.
01-25-2019, 04:41 PM
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Not my job, Phil. He's the lawyer and I'm sure he's competent. I'm not a lawyer, so what I posted above is from another Internet resource. So, regarding your reputation, can you file a suit against yourself since you're the one ruining it and not us? I am still trying to find any post where you were slandered, accused of a crime, or where BJ was accused of doing something wrong. I haven't found anything yet.
01-25-2019, 04:42 PM
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01-25-2019, 04:45 PM
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Not my job, Phil. He's the lawyer and I'm sure he's competent. I'm not a lawyer, so what I posted above is from another Internet resource. So, regarding your reputation, can you file a suit against yourself since you're the one ruining it and not us? I am still trying to find any post where you were slandered, accused of a crime, or where BJ was accused of doing something wrong. I haven't found anything yet.
if if I were where you are with what has happened here that you allowed to happen as the moderator I would not speak to Matt with out a Lawyer present.
01-25-2019, 06:09 PM
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OKFOZ,
Here is where we are at. TGO has for the purposes of this thread become "fake news". Despite the images posted by our friend Chazman at post 558 and my complete dismantling of that narrative starting at post 589,- several trouble makers (now openly aided and assisted by the moderators) continue to operate a form of Kabuki theater in a purely political context.
You guys are caught. Period - and you know it.
Caught red handed exploiting the good name of the Barrett-Jackson Auction company by misrepresenting the physical condition of LOT 442.1 at Westworld and hosting the images here, all this despite the fact that this entire narrative was proven false starting at post 589.
As of now this shameful activity continues to run right out in the open.
I am asking you for the umteenth time. Think before you post.
Here is where we are at. TGO has for the purposes of this thread become "fake news". Despite the images posted by our friend Chazman at post 558 and my complete dismantling of that narrative starting at post 589,- several trouble makers (now openly aided and assisted by the moderators) continue to operate a form of Kabuki theater in a purely political context.
You guys are caught. Period - and you know it.
Caught red handed exploiting the good name of the Barrett-Jackson Auction company by misrepresenting the physical condition of LOT 442.1 at Westworld and hosting the images here, all this despite the fact that this entire narrative was proven false starting at post 589.
As of now this shameful activity continues to run right out in the open.
I am asking you for the umteenth time. Think before you post.
George,
01-25-2019, 06:15 PM
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All right, I'll just spectate from here. It's just too much.
Just to let you know, I genuinely was super excited to see your car go on the block and was hoping it would sell for even more.
Just to let you know, I genuinely was super excited to see your car go on the block and was hoping it would sell for even more.
01-25-2019, 08:27 PM
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I also have access to information that will shut you down immediately if it comes to a legal battle. There is no disputing the information I have access to, so you might want to back down before your reputation gets destroyed, by your own doing. Walk away , Phil, while you still have some dignity. This is not a threat, but a warning to you that you might want to stop all of this NOW.
01-25-2019, 08:58 PM
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Scott,
with all all due respect another distraction is not helpful at this point. You can stop this any time you want and you know it.
lock the thread.
with all all due respect another distraction is not helpful at this point. You can stop this any time you want and you know it.
lock the thread.
01-25-2019, 09:05 PM
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I will not lock this thread and I am not offering a distraction. Walk away, Phil. What I came up with tonight will not bid well for you if you continue down this path of legal threats. It's not worth it, so please leave, willingly. End of story.
01-25-2019, 09:08 PM
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Why are you so desperate to have the thread locked?
01-25-2019, 09:12 PM
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John, my thought is that if we lock the thread, we are acknowledging that we "believe" there is a problem with this thread. Why else are threads locked?
01-25-2019, 09:13 PM
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dam i go on vacation for a week and come back to this crap .. serious dude you are a clown and you and your lawyer are not going to do **** .. we can make a public opinion on some pics from facebook all we want PERIOD !!! and i dont care if the pictures are real or not , but as of now you are making yourself look like a total fool on this board ..
01-25-2019, 09:16 PM
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Has anyone actually read the "terms of use" for this group? I just breezed through it.
It's actually kind of interesting.....here is just one paragraph from the "terms of use"
By using our sites and services, you are a "user" and you accept and agree to this TOU as a legal contract between you and us.........
It's actually kind of interesting.....here is just one paragraph from the "terms of use"
By using our sites and services, you are a "user" and you accept and agree to this TOU as a legal contract between you and us.........
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01-25-2019, 09:36 PM
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Has anyone actually read the "terms of use" for this group? I just breezed through it.
It's actually kind of interesting.....here is just one paragraph from the "terms of use"
By using our sites and services, you are a "user" and you accept and agree to this TOU as a legal contract between you and us.........
It's actually kind of interesting.....here is just one paragraph from the "terms of use"
By using our sites and services, you are a "user" and you accept and agree to this TOU as a legal contract between you and us.........
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Phil - I dont think Scott, or any other Moderator here has anything to worry about......
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Re: 1989 IROC 344 original miles
Actually, I would like YOU to show us where anybody attacked you or Barrett Jackson in any way. Ball is in your court. I just reread this entire atrocity of a thread and found the only name calling was either started by you or one time was in response to your name calling. I'm not worried about Barrett Jackson. They have nothing on me, or on us.
I also have access to information that will shut you down immediately if it comes to a legal battle. There is no disputing the information I have access to, so you might want to back down before your reputation gets destroyed, by your own doing. Walk away , Phil, while you still have some dignity. This is not a threat, but a warning to you that you might want to stop all of this NOW.
I also have access to information that will shut you down immediately if it comes to a legal battle. There is no disputing the information I have access to, so you might want to back down before your reputation gets destroyed, by your own doing. Walk away , Phil, while you still have some dignity. This is not a threat, but a warning to you that you might want to stop all of this NOW.
01-25-2019, 11:00 PM
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As many of us know, modern cell phones have time, date and even location stamps on their pics.
01-25-2019, 11:03 PM
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Good, I'm in before the big reveal! Hey Phil, is there still time to get in on some of the cool legal action you have planned? I don't want to be left out of the party. Who do I have to insult or defame to get on the list?
This has been the most fantastic character suicide I've ever seen in my entire life. What a spectacular flameout. Thanks for providing the entertainment Phil.
This has been the most fantastic character suicide I've ever seen in my entire life. What a spectacular flameout. Thanks for providing the entertainment Phil.
01-25-2019, 11:13 PM
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Good, I'm in before the big reveal! Hey Phil, is there still time to get in on some of the cool legal action you have planned? I don't want to be left out of the party. Who do I have to insult or defame to get on the list?
This has been the most fantastic character suicide I've ever seen in my entire life. What a spectacular flameout. Thanks for providing the entertainment Phil.
This has been the most fantastic character suicide I've ever seen in my entire life. What a spectacular flameout. Thanks for providing the entertainment Phil.
01-25-2019, 11:18 PM
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I hate to say this but I officially think the time has come to ban Phil. There really is no reason to keep him on this board anymore. Originally I thought he was a nice guy with a passion for cars but what I see now this just terrible. Absolutely terrible.
This is a place for fun discussions on Thirdgen’s. Not legal threats. I am guessing I will now be given a few threats from him to.
This is a place for fun discussions on Thirdgen’s. Not legal threats. I am guessing I will now be given a few threats from him to.
01-26-2019, 05:36 AM
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I have been acting in a way that you are supposed to act where is potential for a dispute with legal consequences. Tell the truth, offer the other party every opportunity to turn back and stop.
Ok lets hit the latest fake news heads on shall we? Time stamps on a phone for photos. Can they be faked? The answer is yes and quite easily.
Now where were we. Despite everybody announcing my reputation was being "destroyed" by the content of this thread (literally in every other post), our brave moderator does ZERO to stop the conduct and then joins IN.
All the board rules that protect the board only apply when everybody follows those rules. When the rules are exited then other remedy is afforded.
Ok now:
Anyone here think that Barrett-Jackson did not extensively photograph the car upon arrival at Westworld?
Photos hosted here starting at post 158 are fake. This whole mess is shameful you know it and I know, it and with the exception of the troublemakers who continue to make it 100% clear who they are- everyone else knows it too.
01-26-2019, 06:14 AM
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Phil, you are the other party now. Turn back and stop. We, the members of TGO, have all we need to put this to rest. If you want to get nasty with legal action and threats, fine. It will only hurt your reputation more. I have a recommendation for you, Go Away now.
GOOD BYE, Phil!
GOOD BYE, Phil!
01-26-2019, 07:08 AM
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Scott,
i am not the other party.
Someone will eventually be talking to Barrett-Jackson.
Lets make a deal shall we? Do your job as a moderator and end the attacks.
moreover I am OP. I started the thread. I have requested that it be locked on multiple occasions in an attempt to restore civility and harmony to the board. You have steadfastly refused.
lock the thread.
i am not the other party.
Someone will eventually be talking to Barrett-Jackson.
Lets make a deal shall we? Do your job as a moderator and end the attacks.
moreover I am OP. I started the thread. I have requested that it be locked on multiple occasions in an attempt to restore civility and harmony to the board. You have steadfastly refused.
lock the thread.
01-26-2019, 07:49 AM
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Scott,
thank you I will.
When the material misrepresentation concerning LOT 442.1 and discussion accompanying that ceases here then consistent with that happening no further reply from me will be needed then.
thank you I will.
When the material misrepresentation concerning LOT 442.1 and discussion accompanying that ceases here then consistent with that happening no further reply from me will be needed then.
01-26-2019, 08:17 AM
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blah , blah , blah nobody cares what your saying .. bunch of garbage