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NOS GM mufflers......
I found a source who has more than two dozen of these. These are original, new, GM mufflers as used on our cars from the factory and on the 4th gens. They are unused have been in storage for a long time and all of them have scratches and dents on them from being stacked. These three are supposedly the nicest ones and I have another several I am going to buy. Are these something our community would be interested in? If so, should I buy him out and be the repository of factory mufflers for our cars - dents, scratches and all.
It's too bad there are no factory tail pipes to go with them. Let me know what you guys think?
It's too bad there are no factory tail pipes to go with them. Let me know what you guys think?
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
Keep them for 50 more years and they MIGHT be worth something.
There is no real need for numbers matching exhaust for the 3rd gen.
The cars just do not bring the money for a factory nut and bolt resto like the WWII ford jeeps (I am a military restorer and collector also) where 1 single bolt in a original military packing may fetch 30$.
There is no real need for numbers matching exhaust for the 3rd gen.
The cars just do not bring the money for a factory nut and bolt resto like the WWII ford jeeps (I am a military restorer and collector also) where 1 single bolt in a original military packing may fetch 30$.
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Keep them for 50 more years and they MIGHT be worth something.
There is no real need for numbers matching exhaust for the 3rd gen.
The cars just do not bring the money for a factory nut and bolt resto like the WWII ford jeeps (I am a military restorer and collector also) where 1 single bolt in a original military packing may fetch 30$.
There is no real need for numbers matching exhaust for the 3rd gen.
The cars just do not bring the money for a factory nut and bolt resto like the WWII ford jeeps (I am a military restorer and collector also) where 1 single bolt in a original military packing may fetch 30$.
Actually, I'll go to extreme measures in order to put a stock exhaust back on my cars - both for the original look and sound. I resort to nation wide searches in order to find someone's cast off used one.
Although dinged up, these are new. I just wish factory tailpipes could be sourced.
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Actually, I'll go to extreme measures in order to put a stock exhaust back on my cars - both for the original look and sound. I resort to nation wide searches in order to find someone's cast off used one.
Although dinged up, these are new. I just wish factory tailpipes could be sourced.
Although dinged up, these are new. I just wish factory tailpipes could be sourced.
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Hey Chazman really neat find. Do you know how to read the date codes on them? I am assuming they have a date code. Also are they application specific for the drivetrain?
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Good find Charlie!!
Here is the PN on the one on my '91. I'm looking for another for my '92, it's too bad those have a bit of shelf wear... Perfect for a replacement of a nice survivor driver though, I still think these are the best sounding of any brand on our cars, nice and mellow
Here is the PN on the one on my '91. I'm looking for another for my '92, it's too bad those have a bit of shelf wear... Perfect for a replacement of a nice survivor driver though, I still think these are the best sounding of any brand on our cars, nice and mellow
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Good find Charlie!!
Here is the PN on the one on my '91. I'm looking for another for my '92, it's too bad those have a bit of shelf wear... Perfect for a replacement of a nice survivor driver though, I still think these are the best sounding of any brand on our cars, nice and mellow
Here is the PN on the one on my '91. I'm looking for another for my '92, it's too bad those have a bit of shelf wear... Perfect for a replacement of a nice survivor driver though, I still think these are the best sounding of any brand on our cars, nice and mellow
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Dare I ask what 1 of these are worth if i wanted 1?
Walker still makes the tail pipes and I think the rest of the pipes.
http://catalog.walkerexhaust.com/cat...dStatus=ACTIVE
Quick pt number search brings this up.
http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm...-10229366.html
Walker still makes the tail pipes and I think the rest of the pipes.
http://catalog.walkerexhaust.com/cat...dStatus=ACTIVE
Quick pt number search brings this up.
http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm...-10229366.html
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A few months ago I was talking to a guy (I think on ebay) who was selling some like this. Only I didn't think he had any that were un-dented. I was confused as to why somebody would go though the trouble of saving them, but they treated so poorly. The ones I saw looked like they were tossed into a dumpster a few times. Those your showing don't look too bad. Are they good on both sides? Would also be interesting to see how the pipes were cut off. I was thinking of buying one, but they all seemed to have some pretty good dents somewhere. Maybe this is a different guy, or he found some decent ones out of the bunch?
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Dare I ask what 1 of these are worth if i wanted 1?
Walker still makes the tail pipes and I think the rest of the pipes.
http://catalog.walkerexhaust.com/cat...dStatus=ACTIVE
Quick pt number search brings this up.
http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm...-10229366.html
Walker still makes the tail pipes and I think the rest of the pipes.
http://catalog.walkerexhaust.com/cat...dStatus=ACTIVE
Quick pt number search brings this up.
http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm...-10229366.html
The Walker tails are fairly close, but aren't exact replicas of the the GM parts.
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A few months ago I was talking to a guy (I think on ebay) who was selling some like this. Only I didn't think he had any that were un-dented. I was confused as to why somebody would go though the trouble of saving them, but they treated so poorly. The ones I saw looked like they were tossed into a dumpster a few times. Those your showing don't look too bad. Are they good on both sides? Would also be interesting to see how the pipes were cut off. I was thinking of buying one, but they all seemed to have some pretty good dents somewhere. Maybe this is a different guy, or he found some decent ones out of the bunch?
Might be the same guy. Was he from Canada?
It looks like the tailpipes were never installed.
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Well, I'm gonna try and clean these up and see how they look. If anyone remembers the muffler/TP assembly I found for my yellow IROC, and how it looked after I restored it, I think these will look pretty good.
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Cool! I can still remember the factory exhaust note of my aunts Iroc-Z. I would be possibly interested in one. Man they sounded good.
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I have 3 stock 89 setups 2 for 350 cars and 1 TTA muffler, tails and tips.
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I Would Request Pics Of Both Ends Of The Muffler Before Purchase,To See What Inlets/Outlets It Has,If You Do A Complete Search Of #10229366 It Has Been Superseded Several Times 10229366 To->10244693 To->10285174 To>10289836. And That Shows It's For A Forth Gen.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
For what it is worth I just installed a Walker replacement muffler on my 91 Z from Rock Auto.
It looks the same mounts perfectly and sounds great.
For $40 I have no problem with the quality and am not sure how the sound will differ from a NOS piece but I am really happy with it.
$39.19 WALKER 18232 SoundFX
WALKER Warranty Information
Quiet Flow mufflers & assemblies, DynoMax Super Turbo/UltraFlow SS & Welded mufflers: Limited lifetime. SoundFX Mufflers: No warranty. Pipes, Resonators & Straps: No warranty. Catalytic converters:25,000-mile catalytic performance, 5-year/50,000-mile structural integrity
It looks the same mounts perfectly and sounds great.
For $40 I have no problem with the quality and am not sure how the sound will differ from a NOS piece but I am really happy with it.
$39.19 WALKER 18232 SoundFX
WALKER Warranty Information
Quiet Flow mufflers & assemblies, DynoMax Super Turbo/UltraFlow SS & Welded mufflers: Limited lifetime. SoundFX Mufflers: No warranty. Pipes, Resonators & Straps: No warranty. Catalytic converters:25,000-mile catalytic performance, 5-year/50,000-mile structural integrity
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For what it is worth I just installed a Walker replacement muffler on my 91 Z from Rock Auto.
It looks the same mounts perfectly and sounds great.
For $40 I have no problem with the quality and am not sure how the sound will differ from a NOS piece but I am really happy with it.
$39.19 WALKER 18232 SoundFX
WALKER Warranty Information
Quiet Flow mufflers & assemblies, DynoMax Super Turbo/UltraFlow SS & Welded mufflers: Limited lifetime. SoundFX Mufflers: No warranty. Pipes, Resonators & Straps: No warranty. Catalytic converters:25,000-mile catalytic performance, 5-year/50,000-mile structural integrity
It looks the same mounts perfectly and sounds great.
For $40 I have no problem with the quality and am not sure how the sound will differ from a NOS piece but I am really happy with it.
$39.19 WALKER 18232 SoundFX
WALKER Warranty Information
Quiet Flow mufflers & assemblies, DynoMax Super Turbo/UltraFlow SS & Welded mufflers: Limited lifetime. SoundFX Mufflers: No warranty. Pipes, Resonators & Straps: No warranty. Catalytic converters:25,000-mile catalytic performance, 5-year/50,000-mile structural integrity
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
I had these on my watch list, never did get a part number from the guy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-STAINLESS-STEEL-MUFFLER-1984-TO-1997-CAMARO-FIREBIRD-TRANS-AM-Z28-IROC-/111721926427?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=7zUtB5bYi%252Bazldkdn3Nbbn1Lgak%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-STAINLESS-STEEL-MUFFLER-1984-TO-1997-CAMARO-FIREBIRD-TRANS-AM-Z28-IROC-/111721926427?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=7zUtB5bYi%252Bazldkdn3Nbbn1Lgak%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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I had these on my watch list, never did get a part number from the guy.
New Stainless Steel Muffler 1984 to 1997 Camaro Firebird Trans Am Z28 IROC | eBay
New Stainless Steel Muffler 1984 to 1997 Camaro Firebird Trans Am Z28 IROC | eBay
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I had these on my watch list, never did get a part number from the guy.
New Stainless Steel Muffler 1984 to 1997 Camaro Firebird Trans Am Z28 IROC | eBay
New Stainless Steel Muffler 1984 to 1997 Camaro Firebird Trans Am Z28 IROC | eBay
Yes, that's a 4th gen clamp on the one. The 3rd and 4th gen mufflers are the same. The ones I already have are identical to the factory IROC's in both dimensions and design.
Also, they're coming from Canada, so we may have an issue with duties.
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I was wondering if all these use the same pt numbers or do they have the superseded numbers in later yrs? I honestly haven't looked at any of my 4th gen catbacks to know.
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Wow. Ive had a thread up in the wanted section for months now. Im looking for a factory muffler and tips, however just a factory muffler would be easier and cheaper to ship lol.
Charlie if you ever feel seven mufflers is too many for you, id be interested. If youre planning on selling some and all are called for, then thats ok.
Charlie if you ever feel seven mufflers is too many for you, id be interested. If youre planning on selling some and all are called for, then thats ok.
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Wow. Ive had a thread up in the wanted section for months now. Im looking for a factory muffler and tips, however just a factory muffler would be easier and cheaper to ship lol.
Charlie if you ever feel seven mufflers is too many for you, id be interested. If youre planning on selling some and all are called for, then thats ok.
Charlie if you ever feel seven mufflers is too many for you, id be interested. If youre planning on selling some and all are called for, then thats ok.
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GM was using the band clamps at least by 91.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
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GM was using the band clamps at least by 91.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
Anyway, don't be a party pooper - I love the factory sound and the look of Gatorbacks.
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GM was using the band clamps at least by 91.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
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GM was using the band clamps at least by 91.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
I picked up a muffler with tail pipes and tips from a 4th gen LT1 Firebird somewhere around 2000. The muffler part number was exactly the same as the one on my 91 Formula, same clamp on both, etc. In fact about the only difference was the 4th gen setup had the tips.
As far as sound, the stock muffler was extremely quiet, and the 4th gen muffler is just as boring. I ran the stock 91 muffler and pipes on my 86 T/A for awhile too. Even with SLP headers, high flow cat, a cam, etc it was still extremely quiet. Not sure where people are getting the idea that the stock mufflers ever sounded that great. Maybe is the same misguided nostalgia that makes Gatorbacks the best looking and performing tire ever made.
I guess I need to say I miss-spoke/typed by saying that it was only a 4th clamp.
I know the old guillotine clamps were used until 89 or 90 as far as I remember seeing. My 91-2 garage cars all have/had SLP catbacks on them. I do have 2 lower mile factory exhaust 92 ttop formula 350s in the shed I need to look at.
My wifes 98 has the nicer flat clamp. I removed so many stock exhausts through the yrs and surprising I don't remember which clamp was used in the other yrs from 90-97.
As far as the gatorback tire, they do have a great looking tread that really belongs on these cars. As far as performance, it was fairly decent for the time (84ish 92ish) but not close to the very sticky near road race compounds of todays tires.
Time and tech marches on every yr.
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When ever I see a nice 3rd gen, I always check to see if it has a factory exhaust. They usually don't, so it's a pleasant surprise when they do.
As far as Gatorbacks go, they were the baddest tire of the '80's. And today, they complete the look of our cars. I wish Kelsey would release them in our size already!
As far as Gatorbacks go, they were the baddest tire of the '80's. And today, they complete the look of our cars. I wish Kelsey would release them in our size already!
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As far as Gatorbacks go, they were the baddest tire of the '80's. And today, they complete the look of our cars. I wish Kelsey would release them in our size already![/QUOTE]
I would buy four if they would release them.
I would buy four if they would release them.
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LT1 muffler with tails and look at that clamp.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
LT1 muffler with tails and look at that clamp.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-93-94-95...1Wxh8u&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-93-94-95...1Wxh8u&vxp=mtr
BTW, that seller always has some interesting stuff, I've bought from him before. He usually charges top dollar though.
It doesn't look like this item has any takers at that price.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
I have bought from him as well, have to watch the pricing there, some of it is crazy high.
Not sure if that P shaped clamp is even correct but its different than the 3rds U shape and 98 an up stuff
Not sure if that P shaped clamp is even correct but its different than the 3rds U shape and 98 an up stuff
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
I got L-69 exhaust manifolds for my Crossfire from him. He had them listed for something ridiculous like $375 and they didn't sell.
He then re-listed them with no reserve. I realized I was the only one watching them and bid $9 at the end of the auction and got them. Shipping cost was a bear though.
I've bought a few other items from him, though - he's got some cool stuff.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
I'm going to sell one more of them. If anyone is interested, send me a PM.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
LT1 muffler with tails and look at that clamp.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-93-94-95...1Wxh8u&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-93-94-95...1Wxh8u&vxp=mtr
Several years ago on eBay, (maybe from the same seller), they had a GM OEM 3rd gen muffler/tail pipe assembly, brand new, never been used and in perfect condition. I bid on it, but it went far higher than I was willing to spend. This one doesn't seem to be getting the same love.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
LT1 muffler with tails and look at that clamp.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-93-94-95...1Wxh8u&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-93-94-95...1Wxh8u&vxp=mtr
And matching tips for a grand total of $750.
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
I have a set of those tips. Not NOS but nice shape
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Re: NOS GM mufflers......
Okay, I'm selling one more additional muffler if anyone wants it, and that will be that. Muffler #4. For some reasons, I can't upload the pics of it.
If anyone is interested in it, PM me your email and I'll send you the pics of it.
If anyone is interested in it, PM me your email and I'll send you the pics of it.