mr396

I found this 85 IROC on e-bay with a 160 mph speedo 260 kmh. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-CHEVY-CAMARO-IROC-Z28-T-TOPS-5-SPD-DRIVEN-2K-MILES-LAST-27-YEARS-/121184410539?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c37275bab#v4-42 anyone know anything about it?

scottmoyer

Definitely an aftermarket speedo. The font is wrong. This poor car is a wreck! I was looking at the door jamb and see that they destroyed the structural integrity by drilling holes everywhere for the undercoating process. If they removed the door jamb vent, they could have gained access to the entire front of the rear quarter panel and eliminated two holes. What a waste!!!

mr396

The only good thing is it is my favorite color combo.

((Mike))

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Looks like a really nice car to me. The only things I don't like about it are the motor, headlight covers and I am not a fan of red interiors. It looks like it was well taken care of. Either that or someone spent a ton of time and money restoring it. It still has gatorbacks on it. The selling dealer is over doing it a bit on his description though. For one thing it doesn't have EVERY available option for 85. The buyer could have ordered the L69 motor instead of the standard LG4. Five or six holes drilled in the door jam did nothing to the structural integrity. This car is no wreck!

scottmoyer

I beg to differ. The entire door frame structure of the car is what protects the passenger compartment during an impact. By drilling the number of holes they did, they compromised the passenger compartment by adding crumple zones. Every single one of those holes is now a crumple zone. During a head on impact, the door frame will buckle and crumble since both sides were drilled. This was irresponsible of the dealer or the company installing the undercoating.

Call any Mercedes, Jaguar, BMW, Cadillac or even Ford manufacturer and ask them if 5 or 6 holes drilled in the door frame of one of their cars is acceptable. I'll bet that they say that even one hole violates the structural design of the vehicle.

I know for a fact that BMW and Mercedes will because I used to work on their cars. If a car had a hole drilled anywhere on the body, the car was marked as "structurally damaged" and was sold for many thousands less than a comparable car with no drill holes. The dealer auto auctions even disclose these holes and it does impact the value.

((Mike))

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Your certainly entitled to your opinion as am I. And I still don't agree. No business would open themselves up to that kind of liability. Those little holes aren't going to cause any problems in an accident.

((Mike))

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Even if the owner did consider them a problem just weld plugs in them. They hardly make the car a "wreck"

Willie

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I know the answer to the original question.

((Mike))

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Great find! Thanks for the info!

scottmoyer

Weld plugs into a low mile original? That would require a repaint in the door jamb. The car is not original any longer and the value is diminished. Either way, the value is not as high as an unmolested vehicle. I stand by my original comments that drilling holes devalues the vehicle in one way or another.

Also, you are taking my term "wreck" to levels that are unnecessary. If there are 6 holes drilled into the door jamb of each door, where else did they drill the holes? Into the door itself? I'll bet they did as they probably wanted to get the door protected also. To me it's a wreck because I would never own a vehicle that somebody damaged so heavily.

mr396

Thanks *****. I knew about the over counter 140 mph speedometer, I didn't know there was a 160 mph. About the IROC being a wreck or not, I would be concerned that a dealer would say there is 2,375 original miles when the after market speedometer reads 2,375 miles.

((Mike))

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Oh yeah that's right. Painting the door jams is going to completely destroy the value. I too would be more concerned that the odometer wasn't right than a few holes Being drilled in it. I don't know about you but a wreck is just that. A wreck. A good body man can weld those up, paint it and you would never know. But you can win this debate. I'm done talking about it. It's clear that your opinion is the only correct one around here.

scottmoyer

Just remember, Mike, that you are the one that decided to argue with me over *MY* opinion! I'm entitled to *MY* opinion and I don't believe you provided sufficient evidence for me to change *MY* opinion. The holes in the door, or welded holes and a repaint, all constitute this car to be a wreck to me. I'm allowed that opinion. Thank you First Amendment!

Richboll

It's a nice looking car but no way does it only have 2300 miles on it. I think the seller can get away with the low mileage statements because of the age of the car and possibly not having to disclose actual mileage.

((Mike))

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Unless the person who swapped speedometers made sure the mileage was the same I would have to agree with you. Once the speedometer is changed out, the mileage credibility is always going to be questioned. Then again on one that only goes up to 99,999 it will be questioned on a car that old anyway.

TTOP350

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(imo)
Those body plugs are ugly as sin and "ruined" a decent car but help the car fold up like a taco in a crash, uh, no.
Take a look in some JYs, you'll see tons of these cars and others with those holes, with no more damage than cars without the holes.
A great body man can make those disappear and you'd never know it unless told. (i'm very picky)

I would put subframe connectors on everyone of these cars, so the ugly unneeded holes wouldn't even matter.

((Mike))

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Thank You!

jharrison5

Black and gold would have been better, but a good looking car none the less lol!

scottmoyer

LOL, Mike. You said you were done with the conversation, but had to get the last word. I actually laughed when I read your response.

For the record, I never said the car would fold up like a taco. I *DID* say that the door frame will buckle.

TTOP350

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I said taco, its my word 4 buckle.
It really just depends on how hard and where the car is hit as to how much damage it gets. I've seen so many in junkyards that do have the holes and the same type of damage as no holes.
What scares me the most? it's the cars with rust and damage, super scary!!

I'm sure you have seen the crash tests of the thirdgen cars. With the newer door beams in place , they shouldn't buckle even with the holes.