I have an interest in a convertible Iroc with a 5 speed and saw this one on Ebay although to me it doesn't look like an Iroc, what do you guys think? Is this a real Iroc? The sellers feedback doesn't give me much confidence so I thought I would ask those who would be more in the know then what I am. Thanks for your feedback.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...item1c2c032acb

 

has z28 rims, doesnt have the 145 speedo, has manual mirrors, no switch's for rear defrost or fog lights, never heard of a non louvered iroc or decal(there may be that option not for sure) so it doesnt seem so to me ive owned two 86 irocs may be a z28 cloned to an iroc though. Still it looks to be a nice car.

 

This is NOT an IROC.

Why not?
Wheels should be 16"(has 15"s)
Missing correct hood
Should have a 145mph speedo(has 110)
Should have the z28 grille and fogs(only has base grille)
No IROC graphics
badges on ground effects say "Camaro" which should say IROC-Z

So what you have here, is an '88 Sport Coupe convertible


Unless I'm uneducated about this dx3 code. Best thing to do is have him take a picture of the RPO sticker in the console to you can decode them yourself.

 

Looks to me like a base model convertible with a Z28 interior badge. Otherwise someone did a lot of work to make an iroc look like a base model.

 

You have a good eye, I only noticed the hood, rims and fog lights which is what gave me a concern if it was real or not. The vin report they have shows it being an Iroc so I am confused and had to come here and ask others who would know more than I do.

 

Additionally, the grille and steering wheel is wrong and the headlight buckets should be black. Search the forums and do your homework before buying. The tach gauge is in need of repair and why is a "southern car" so rusty under the hood? Once you own one of these cars, you quickly learn how easy it is for someone to clone a lesser model into a more desirable one (like how the two push tab dash emblem was replaced).

 

Not an IROC-Z. You know hes full of crap when he says DX3 comes with sticker delete and louver delete. DX3 still had a louvered hood.

The picture at the bottom in the last column has overspray on the plastic fender liner.

Lots of salt deposits on the idler arm and rusty air cleaner housing for being a southern car.

Along with the other things mentioned already, you basically have a Sport Coupe repaint with a Z28 dash plaque.

Love his feedback rating too.

 

vin check cant tell you what trim level it was, only country of origin, make, model, year, engine, plant, and production number. The only way to tell the trim is by the RPO in the glovebox, somebody should tell the seller to post a picture of the label and it will probably prove that it isn't even a low option Z28 and most likely just a base model vert

 

its hilarious, look at his feedback and click on the negative feedback where you can see the item, its about a porsche 944. Turns out the Porsche 944 he sold in August also happened to be owned by a doctor in the south, hmm where is this guy finding all these old, one doctor owned southern cars at?

 

Thanks for all of the replies, I am glad I came here to find out if this was real or not.

88 5.7 Iroc Z, I did check his feedback and that is when I had to come here and find out the facts as his detailed feedback does not say much about him and the fact that this car and the Porsche both had about the same descriptions listed. Car is off the "watch list".

 

Some irocs came with 15 inch wheels. The l98 irocs got the 145 MPH speedometers, not the 305 5 speed cara.

 

My iroc also doesn't have rear defrost

 

honestly man, I wouldn't bother buying any car on Ebay, WAY too many dishonest sellers on there that are just trying to get rid of basket cases. Look around on your local Craigslist for good deals, that way you can personally inspect said vehicles and know what you're getting yourself into before spending any money. Also if you aren't familiar with these cars there are things to look for when inspecting them. Avoid cut up harnesses(lead to electrical gremlins most of the time), shoddy body work(may be unsafe or even have frame/unibody damage), and if you're from the east coast look for rust around the fender wells and underneath the car as well as around the t-top bar area. If you live on the West coast like me, rust isn't really something to worry about too much seeing as most of the third gens here are cancer free. Good luck finding a car!

 

it has an RS steering wheel, RS hood. 88 camaro didn't have airbags or anti-lock brakes. They did come 110mph speedometers though, I swap mine for the 145, no IROC stickers on the door but:

 

Yeah, I'm a better than average Expert at Thirdgens seeing as how their my favorite Camaro, my personal belief is that this Camaro looks too Much like an '88 RS convertible, because in 1988 there was NO Z28, just Sport Coupe/RS and Iroc-Z but no standalone Z28 until 1991 and 1992, its got the RS/SC steering wheel, 15" wheels that were standard on RS/SC and the RS grill, 305 throttle body V8 which was the top engine for the RS, 110 speedo which did come on Iroc verts too but really not a major deciding factor, and I checked his vin on carfax and yeah it leads me to believe its a regular '88 droptop Camaro and not an Iroc, Hell I could make a better clone if I Really wanted to fool people, like the Iroc Hood and 16" Iroc wheels and Iroc steering wheel, all this guy did was put on the Iroc-Z Dash emblem which you can buy one on EBay like at least once a month one of them is up for sale. The 1988 sport coupe could very well be confused with a base Iroc because of the dx3 option Stripe delete to the untrained eye, they made 1,859 sport coupe convertibles. I would honestly look to get another convertible on Craigslist if you really want a drop top.

https://secure.carfax.com/creditCard...erName=&subId=

 

Auto Trader is another good place to look.

 

I have read that all the verts got 110 speedos at least in 89-90. From running my RPO codes, about half of the 1990 IROCS didn't have a rear defogger, mine does have one. I have an orange dash badge though. I bought my car new. One way to identify 350 cars is the gearshift **** is a different shape.

EDIT: My guess on the engine bay is that the car sat outside in a humid environment maybe too near the ocean. My dash badge is orange on top and yellow on the bottom, not solid orange like the one in the pics appears to be. And yeah, that's an RS front end. That car is beat and I doubt it's an IROC.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...-car-iroc.html

JamesC

 

Not sure why this car is even being questioned. The feedback rating system is there for a reason. It's obvious that this seller is dishonest or not a good seller. I wouldn't consider buying from him if the car was a low mile original with no reserve!

 

with the overspray anyone think it could be an iroc convertable that was fixed with parts off of a rs

 

AMEN brother - good advice! Epay has mostly turned into a bad joke.

 

nope. It's an 88 Sport Coupe. End of story.

 

There is a site that seems to be able to come up with the RPO list based upon the VIN. I'll see if I can find the link.

 

Why do you say it's a sport coupe? It looks like an RS to me.

Regardless the car is a base model.

15 inch IROC wheels didnt turn up until 88, they looked like this:



Most of the 88-90 IROC wheels were 16 inch, but a few 15 inch versions are around and they are factory, but unless they look like the above they are NOT Iroc wheels. Those on the shady ebay car are Z28/base wheels depending on the year.

And more than that, IROC was just an appearance package that ruled out the v6. It was still available with a less sporty suspension, low options, the L03/LG4 slow 305's, non-posi rear differentials, etc. It was mostly an appearance package. I dont care what IROC you find, if it doesnt have the TPI in it leave it be. Theres an off chance you may find a desirable L69 Iroc, but 99 percent of the time if its an IROC that has a big round air filter on top of the engine its not worth getting.

 

Everything I've ever bought there has had some kind of questionable aspect with either the item or the seller that didn't come out until after I "won". Craigslist has been better luck to me.

 

It's a sport coupe because the RS was manufactured in limited numbers in 1988 and in limited markets. The 1988 sport coupe should have silver ground effects and were painted red. That's probably the reason for the overspray in the wheel wells. The 1988 cars also had the "Camaro" badge in the rockers. The 1989+ RS had the RS emblem. This car is a 1988 sport coupe that had the ground effects painted and the dash emblem replaced.

Also, in 1988, the rims you see in the ad were available on the IROC-Z in 15". They were the base rim and were replaced with the 15" IROC-Z rim in 1989. The 1988 cars were available as bare bones as the 1987 base Z28 or loaded to the hilt with every option possible, all on one model.

 

This car is a 88 Sport coupe convertable not a Iroc z due to missing the Z28 specific braces in the engine compartment, and fog lights. 88 Iroc convertables could have the 115 mph speedometer, L03 tbi engine and 15 inch wheels if it was a base model iroc. I would ask this guy to see a pic of the rpo codes to see if Z28 is present. To everybody FYI G92 was still a option on convertables in 88 unlike the later years when they all came with 115 mph speedometers and 273 posi drum rears.

 

Your wrong in 88 the iroc z base model wheel was the Z28 wheel and in 89 is when they restyled the 15 base model iroc wheel to take on the appearance of the 16 double line iroc wheel. Since its a 88 L03 is the base model v8 engine which can be had on the iroc and sport coupe! FYI in 88 RS in only offered in V6 so its definately not a rs!!

 

Not to disagree, but Ive never seen an IROC without IROC wheels. The wheel and the striping was the main part of the package back in 85. Really odd that they would just start throwing the base wheels on it in 88.

Actually, now that I think of it, 88 was the first year they didnt have a regular "base" Z28, they were all IROCs, so I guess thats what it was about. Probably why they came up with those goofy "IROC" 15 inch wheels the next year now that I think of it. I guess thats what Mr Moyer was talking about when he said the 88 IROCs were available as base as an 87 Z28. Oh well, learned something new.

 

Its not hard to change wheels lol

 

Why would you suggest that he look for Z28 on the SPID? It's already been proven that the car is a sport coupe and nothing more. I say forget this car and move on if you're only interested in an IROC-Z.


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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here; I don't think anything has been proven yet. One good smashed front end replacement could explain most of the issues including the missing engine bay bracing. The only thing that really sticks out to me is the steering wheel. Wheels were stolen like mad back then even with locks from the factory because most people kept their wheel lock key in the car. I mentioned before that I looked at a brand new 1990 IROC with 91 wheels and tires sitting in the showroom. I would never let wheels be some kind of deciding factor on originality. I'm not saying that car was right, I'm just making the point that wheels can change even before the first owner takes delivery.

 

Your right no point in checking Scott, we all should move on! lol
For all you fellow beginner third gen guys need to do your home work so you can identify fake Irocs!!! and learn your third gen faq's!!!!
Don't get screwed into buying a fake!!!

 

www.compnine.com check it out. I ran the VIN of the car in question and it came back no record found. Now that might be something to really worry about.

I don't know where these guys get their information, but they have my car and a list of all the RPO codes. I didn't give it to them or anyone so I guess they got it from GM somehow.

Maybe it's just telling me no record because I already ran mine thru it and they want me to pay. They don't say that though. Just no record, check back.

 

That's really good advice. On the other hand though, don't blow off a car just because you saw something odd. There are allot of 1st gen gems left that are like this car. They have all the wrong parts and nobody knows what they really are. Mostly though, it's a bunch of fakes dressed up to look like something they never were.

There have always been people that removed all the performance markings from cars. I'm sure there were nuts that would have gone as far as changing hoods and grills on an IROC to make a sleeper. I mean even the factory did this as an option. I'm not saying that's the case here, just that this kind of thing happens more than people think. Somebody could have wrecked it and wanted it changed to the RS parts. I could see somebody wanting a hood without the louvers since they're such a hassle when washing the car and trying to dry it. Anything is possible. If you can think of it, somebody already did it. These cars are antiques, allot of stuff happens in a quarter of a century.

 

My 2 cents worth.....Too many weird things say this isn't an IROC. You guys seem to have found most of them.

The only fact that I want to mention is that the 1988 base Sport Coupe came with the LB8 V6 and could be ordered with the optional LO3 V8 for $400.00

But if you ordered the Sport Coupe convertible in 1988 it came with the LO3 V8 as standard equipment with no charge.

So I guess you could say that in 1988 no convertibles were made with a V6!!!!!

 

There are too many things that say this car is a sport coupe and not an IROC-Z. Being that the car is 24 years old, if someone was going to swap parts, they would do so from the entire 85-92 range. The rims are standard fare for a sport coupe in 88. The steering wheel is sport coupe, the side emblems are sport coupe, the engine is V8 sport coupe, the entire front end is sport coupe, the dash doesn't have the fog light switch, so sport coupe. This car is not an IROC-Z. Are you trying to say that someone was trying to make an IROC-Z look like a sport coupe so well that they even removed the fog light switch in the dash? If the car got wrecked, do you really want to buy a repaired vehicle from someone with a 33% positive rating? With the car off, the RPMs are sitting at 7000??? The inner fenders and engine compartment show the same wear and tear. This car has not been wrecked or repainted, except for the ground effects. C'mon guys. I've been doing this long enough to know what that car is. It's a misrepresented car by the seller. He says that he verified it by Autocheck! That tells you nothing except the body style, not the model or sub model. He also states that this is the only one with DX3 stripe delete and the flat hood. So he is saying that this is original to the car and not a replacement set up. He says it is all stock and unmolested. IT'S A SPORT COUPE!

The reason you can't find any information on this car on Compnine is because they don't have records on Camaros prior to 1990, unless it was a Canadian export. They do get the records from GM.

Lastly, the fakes that you mention are usually faked "UP", not "DOWN". Like this clown, they all make the car look like something it isn't by cloning the higher end models, not the base models.

 

def not an IROC; but either way, it's a POS... don't buy it... nothing wrong with a sweet SC or RS; the real clean ones are sweet. But IROCs def take the cake... like mine

I think a REAL find would be a mint early 3rd gen Berlinetta. Or a mint all original 84-85 Berly with the digital dash

 

Thanks again everyone for your feedback, that is the reason I came here and asked about this car. I didn't feel good about it being a legit Iroc and didn't want to waste a 3 hour drive each way this weekend to check it out if it was indeed a fake.

I have learned in the past that many cars can be faked, I just sold my 1980 Z28 and during my search for the one I wanted I ran across many fake cloned Z's.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

 

It has a burnt out headlight. Deal breaker.

 

Like the others have said this isn't a real IROC. This car would be perfect for you if you wanted to go crazy with modifications and not worry about messing up a factory original IROC.

At least you were smart enought to stop and ask questions before you purchased your next vehicle. In my opinon, in life in general, people don't ask enough questions before they move forward with something. Then get surprised when things didn't turn out the way that they wanted in the first place.

 

I'm no 3rd gen expert, but right off the bat I could tell it was a sport coupe. I hate when people try to pass something off as something else when it's not. I know a guy that has an 87 Iroc, LB9 5-speed and he tells everyone that it's a 350 5-speed car stock. I leared on here real quick that they never made a 350 5-speed 3rd gen. Just keep lookng man and you will find one. When I bought my car I really did not know much about it, like I thought I did, but learning as I go and read on here.

 

Lmao ^

 

Looks like he didnt like the sub thousand dollar bids he was getting, so his solution?

-Create a new username to hide his -1 ebay rating

-State in the description that Autocheck is the real way to tell if its a real IROC-Z, not just by a sticker in the glovebox.


This is why people hate ebay. Gotta love his asking price too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CAMAR...#ht_500wt_1182

 

What an epic curmudgeon of a seller.

Its not even that nice of a car, even if it were an IROC.

 

The VIN listed on the ebay auction says that the car has a 3.4L V6 (VIN "E").

 

This is incorrect. The 8th number of the Vin is an "E" and would mean this car has a LO3 305 V8. As I stated above that the sport coupe convertibles in 1988 came with the LO3 engine as its base model. No factory built convertibles came with a V6 in 1988.

Also, the 6th number in the Vin is a "3" which means it was a factory made convertible back in 1988.

 

Which is also the base engine in the Iroc-Z for that year. So there is no way to refute his claim or aknowledge it without seeing the RPO sticker.

Could be a poorly put together clone or a poorly put back together Iroc-Z.

Either way, I agree with another poster. It's a basket case and ugly.

 

You can refute his claim! If the car is 24 years old and is being pieced back together for some reason, I would expect that there might be parts from other year cars on this thing. It's too coincidental that the front end has the sport coupe grill, the rear has the sport coupe taillights, the emblems say "Camaro" on the side of the car and the steering wheel is a Sport Coupe wheel. All of those items and the 15" rims are all standard items on an '88 Sport Coupe. What are the chances that a pieced together car will have "Camaro" emblems and not at least say "Z28"? The '88 cars switched over to "IROC-Z" emblems. A pieced together car WILL have parts from other cars and not be specific to an '88 Sport Coupe, unless it's an '88 Sport Coupe!!

 

He guarantees it to be authentic as described or money back guarantee...so it must be real.....wait for it..