scottmoyer

So Drew, what are you saying? I drive with the ttops out too much?

That explains a lot!!

HankL69

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Not exactly true. Both Z-28s and IROC-Zs were available in '85, '86 and '87. In '88 the Z28 badge was dropped and only The IROC-Z and Sport Coupe models were offered. Then in 1991 when Cheverolet did not renew its contract with the International Race of Champions, the IROC-Z logo was dropped and the Z-28 was again offered.

86blackiroc

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This was posted in the other thread:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1773382252.html

Yep, you guessed it, those are real 15 inch IROC wheels on a real IROC

ibmtech

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[QUOTE=yo soy el warg;4565612]You must mean that your wife's 1989 IROC had 15" wheels since IROCs weren't made in 1998?

Yeah it sucks that chevy sold the rights to the IROC name to Dodge.. I have had many people tell me their car is an IROC and I look at the years and it is a 93, 94 etc etc.. Some have done a desperate attempt to even put all the badges and decals on.. It doesn't look even close.

Dante93GTZ

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[QUOTE=ibmtech;4581701].....ew..... a 4thgen IROC..... ew..... I've seen some 4thgens with 85-87 wheels on it and they just don't look right.

Iroctopless

Iroc what?

puddingmmmmmmmm

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Unless you're talking about right off the showroom floor, that is probably the most stupid remark I've seen on this site this far.

Drew

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Really? Cause if that's true you obviously haven't been around here very long.

The point of owning an Iroc is to have the top of the line Camaro. Buying one with 15" wheels is buying the look, and the name, but not the performance. But who cares? You think my comment is stupid, I think your hood is stupid, so I guess we're even.

puddingmmmmmmmm

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If you haven't realized it yet, it's 2010. Not every 20+ year old IROC you're gonna be looking to purchase is going to be exactly how you want it. Hence your comment is retarded. And thanks the hood came with the car, just like my 15'' iroc rims. But I guess I just bought it for the brand since the original owner didn't get the 16'' 20 years ago

And considering the fact the rims are ugly as *****, they'll only be on there until I can find a decent set of trans am rims. Guess I'll have IROCbird, since the rims make the car.

JT

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Let's please try to be civil and not attack people personally.

I feel similar to Drew but in regard to Trans AM and WS6. However, I happen to have a WS6-less Trans AM.

Drew

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The politically correct nomenclature is "Frankenmaro", in reference to the monster built from a selection of dead bodies. Camarostein in some circles is also acceptable. Transmaro is popular.

How is it retarded to have standards and a clear idea of what I look for in a car? I've owned enough thirdgens, I can afford to be picky. Personally it's my opinion (which seems to be relatively common) that Irocs with 15" wheels are posers. Maybe not as bad as those with low output 305's, but still it's the name without the performance. It tells me that whoever ordered the car was more concerned with money then performance. Most people if given the choice would pick the car with the most performance options.

I also know that usually, if two Camaros are both in nice condition, and one is fully loaded with performance and luxury options, and the other is a stripped down, vinyl door panel, 15" wheel, poser Iroc, chances are both cars are going to have really close to the same price tag. Afterall at this point they're both just USED (up) cars. Spending a little bit more money, and being a little bit more picky before buying, usually results in a much better car.

yo soy el warg

Drew, I agree with you completely! I was waiting to see your responses. I've had 3 Corvettes, a 1959 Corvette convertible, a 1963 Corvette stingray split window coupe, and a new 1972 ZR1 T-Top coupe, one of 20 built. Cars that most chevy lovers would trade their wives or girl friends for. Yet, I never enjoyed any of these as much as my 5 original third gen Camaros I currently own. I enjoy driving them all instead of looking at them in my heated garage as I did my Corvettes. Best thing about them is the way they handle with the 245/50/16 tires and 16" rims that came with them stock from the factory.

Iroctopless

My opinion follows Drew's as well. It's interesting that 15" was ever offered on the IrocZ's when the 16" was available.
Kind'a like topping off an awesome 90 yard football drive with field goal!?!
If you wanna play hard, go all the way.

TTA 1387

The IROC R/T would give any 5.7 IROC a run for its money. I had a 92 Spirit R/T and could run with my buddies brand new 93 Z28 M6 from a first gear roll. Coming out of the hole, I was a car length behind. The IROC R/T was good for a .1 quicker because it was more aerodynamic then the brick Spirit. I ran mine at Capitol Raceway back in '93 when it was still bone stock and it ran 14.4@100.

Lots of crazy looks back then when a 4 door was blowing off 5.0's and F-Body's

The R/T's had great engines but the Lotus head was famous for cracking. Mine did at 18K miles and again at 80K miles. Expensive to fix as there weren't many laying around.

The regular IROC Daytona's were basically like 15" wheeled IROC Camaro's, all look and no substance.

Sorry for going off topic...

okfoz

I scanned the whole thread, and honestly people lets get with the program... I think it may have been mentioned that... well the Z28 was gone in 1988, 1989 & 1990... I would assume that since they were going to go to all monochromatic colors on the Z28/IROC bit they decided just to call everything an IROC. The fact remained that although you could not technically buy a Z28 WITHOUT the IROC package those years did not mean that you could not buy a car similar to in options as a 1985-1987 Z28 equipped car.

Chevrolet wanted to keep its doors open, they no longer wanted to offer 4 Camaro models, so they only offered 2. A base model, SC in 1988 and RS in 1989+, and the Z28/IROC from 1988 - 1990 and Z28 in 1991...

I think its splitting hairs honestly, its the way Chevy did it... Its very similar to the fact you could get a Trans Am with the 15" wheels for several years, when you could opt for the 16" wheels if you liked...

Wow, a whole thread on this, it could have been answered by one knowledgeable reply...

From 1985 - 1987 ALL IROCS HAD 16" RIMS, single stripe
1988 - the Base IROC got the 5 spoke Z28 rims
1989 & 1990 - The base IROC got 15" rims that looked like the 1988-1990 double stripe rim..

Of course it should be noted that the 16" rim WAS standard on the 1990 Convertible IROC...

whatever.

86blackiroc

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Yes, it could have been. Unfortunately, there are a lot of non-believers and uninformed naysayers when it comes to some subjects.

And I can understand why the 15's were standard. Some people may have actually liked the look of them better. For example, if I were to order a brand new Camaro now, I wish the stupid 20's weren't standard on the SS. The 18 inch steel "heritage wheel" look much better in my opinion.

Dante93GTZ

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The new Camaros are retarded. It looks too short (length-wise) and too tall side profile-wise. Just plan stupid looking IMHO. I'm just not on board with GM much at all these days. I'm not looking at buying anything new these days, but if I were, the slogan "Fight Socialism; Buy a Ford" is ringing in my head. Not for a Mustang, but I may consider a Fusion for the wife or an F250 someday... Nobody makes a perfect package vehicle anymore; You've got to build 'em...

That's why my boss and I are building his Suburban...

Specs: 1997 Suburban 4x4 2500 (3500 running gear)
1995 5.9 Cummins Diesel (inline pump)
2008 Allison 6 speed auto
2008 Chevy transfer case
Everything is mounted and basically just finishing up odds and ends. The boss is hoping for 30mpg with it on the highway...

Screw the manufacturers... They build what they want; not what YOU want, right??

Arizona IROC

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Just a couple of things to add. My 15" wheel '89 IROC is no stripper. It has the cloth interior with the big swaybars, T tops 305 TPI ect.

That being said the first thing I did to it was change to the T/A 16" wheels temporarily and when I got a good deal on 16" IROC wheels I switched over.

If you find a 15" car for a good deal buy it and swap 'em.
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86blackiroc

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My 15" wheel '89 was no base model either. 305tpi, 5speed, custom cloth, PW, PL, tilt, cruise, delay, power mirrors, t-tops, rear cargo door, etc.

80schild

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If you see an IROC with white letter tires that is usually a dead giveaway that they are 15 inchers, I have noticed quiet a few like this.

scottmoyer

I have to ask anybody knowledgable about the Daytona IROC how they compared to the Daytona ES Turbo. My reason for asking is that I had an 86 Cavalier Z24 with the 87 Z24 CS Cowl induction hood and airbox. Other than that, it was as it came from the factory. When I was in the service, people always thought their cars were faster than that Cavalier. I raced an 85 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and beat him. I also raced a 90 Daytona ES Turbo and a 90 Shadow ES Turbo. I outraced all three. None of us are racers or had an advantage over the other. The Cavalier was just faster.

The point to my response, is that I'm disputing the post above that said the IROC R/T would give any 5.7 IROC-Z a run for it's money.

TTA 1387

How so? 224HP and 3000 lbs. My Spirit was 3100 lbs. HD 5spd and 3.85 gears. Very potent. Even Car and Driver or MotorTrend(can't remember) got 0-60 in 5.8 seconds for the Spirit R/T. They made the Spirit R/T in '91 and '92. The IROC R/T was '92 and '93.

As far as the ES turbo, 2.5L. Can't remember but I think they were around 150HP

scottmoyer

Ok, the 86 Z24 weighed about 2800#, had 120hp.
Vehicle - 0-60 - 1/4 mile
1986 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 8.5 16.7
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 8.5 16.3

1993 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T 6.3 14.8
1991 Dodge Spirit R/T 6.5 15.0
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4

Based on this info, what you were saying about the R/T appears correct. It would have given the 5.7 IROC a run for it's money. I did grab the lowest numbers I could for the IROC-Z because I don't believe the numbers that are posted. I've seen 1 full second differences in 2 similar 5.7 IROC-Zs in the published specs. I know my 87 will hold it's own against a 93 Z28 up to the 1/4 so I took the numbers that are similar to the 93 specs. If the variance is that great, then the R/T is inline with the IROC.

I wasn't thinking R/T, even though you said R/T. I was thinking about the ES Turbo and the Turbo Shelby's. Totally different cars per the specs. I wasn't able to find anything on the Shelby Daytona to compare, but who cares at this point.

TTA 1387

Real Shelby's were quick. Until the Spirit R/T, the GLHS was the fastest 4 door made in America. In fact, Shelby was the one that came out with all the performance Dodge's before Dodge did. 86 GLHS was the Turbo II which was intercooled. 87 Dodge Daytona came with the Turbo II. 89 CSX came with the Turbo IV which was the VNT turbo for instant spool. 90 VNT Shadow came out. The 91 CSX was supposed to be the Turbo III but Chrysler and Shelby had a falling out because of the Shelby Dakota V8's. Dodge then used the Turbo III in the Spirit in 91. Then the Daytona in 92 when they got the IROC series.

Other than those mini Mopars, there wasn't much. Only the intercooled cars were decent.

But yes, its going way off topic at this point.

'87IROCZOWNER69

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I always laugh when I drive down the road and I will see a fourth gen camaro with IROC Z badging on the side. When I see that I speed past them in my 87 IROC and point at my car and say this is a real IROC.

92purplehaze

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just chiming in here, my 90 has 15s. I have em for sale on here and always get doubted that they are 15s. Unfortunately I have to put the sale on hold because a relative "borrowed" my 16s. When I get them back the 15s will go up for sale again if anyone is interested

Klortho

Actually, Chevy didn't renew their contract, so they went with Dodge. The IROC name belonged to the Internation Race of Champions.

Jim85IROC

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Not at all unlike the scores of LG4 and L03 IROCs out there...

HankL69

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GM and Chevy have always played games with top of the line names. Look back to 1958 when the Impala was the best of everything. Then in '59 you could get a 4 door station wagon with Impala badging. Pontiac did the same thing with the Bonnieville in '59.