1988 1LE Camaro's
11-29-2010, 06:20 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
An AC delete car does not make it a 1LE. What are you showing us? If it's an 88 1LE, please post the SPID label for verification. Thanks
11-29-2010, 08:17 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
I have driven this car, it wasnt to be sold to the public so no labels,no option lable,emissions, and other lables are not on this car.These were GM test vehicles and were not to be sold.
11-30-2010, 08:10 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Nice car ,nice fan shroud labels,it would have been nice if it were a 5 speed 
Not that there is anything wrong with automatics.
Not that there is anything wrong with automatics.
12-01-2010, 08:49 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
something smells funky in this thread.
12-03-2010, 08:25 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
I am 99.5% sure the red car in post #51 the is not a 1988, or its not all original... If you want me to tell you why I think this... ask, otherwise it will be my little secret... I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure I am right.
12-03-2010, 08:36 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Coolant overflow tank wrong? or did it switch in 89?
I thought it was 88but not sure.
Could it be a very late 87 or early 88?
I thought it was 88but not sure.
Could it be a very late 87 or early 88?
12-03-2010, 09:37 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Its the Cowl in front of the Windshield... If memory serves, from 1982-1988 it was painted Black, starting in 1989, to decrease costs they no longer painted them black. It was a misnomer that only Norwood cars got the black cowl, however both Norwood and Van Nuys had a black painted cowl.
Note: that along with other items that were previously painted one color were changed to a new color or were cheapened not necessarily to the worse, however to the different to save costs. Another example is from 1982-1988 the bolts that held in the front headlights on the Firebird were Silver, in 1989, they were black... Black paint is cheaper...
Note: that along with other items that were previously painted one color were changed to a new color or were cheapened not necessarily to the worse, however to the different to save costs. Another example is from 1982-1988 the bolts that held in the front headlights on the Firebird were Silver, in 1989, they were black... Black paint is cheaper...
12-03-2010, 09:41 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Its the Cowl in front of the Windshield... If memory serves, from 1982-1988 it was painted Black, starting in 1989, to decrease costs they no longer painted them black. It was a misnomer that only Norwood cars got the black cowl, however both Norwood and Van Nuys had a black painted cowl.
Note: that along with other items that were previously painted one color were changed to a new color or were cheapened not necessarily to the worse, however to the different to save costs. Another example is from 1982-1988 the bolts that held in the front headlights on the Firebird were Silver, in 1989, they were black... Black paint is cheaper...
Note: that along with other items that were previously painted one color were changed to a new color or were cheapened not necessarily to the worse, however to the different to save costs. Another example is from 1982-1988 the bolts that held in the front headlights on the Firebird were Silver, in 1989, they were black... Black paint is cheaper...
YOUR RIGHT !...i had to go out to check my 1988...i thought it was not black, but shure enuff it is !!!! mmhhh
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12-03-2010, 10:01 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Its the Cowl in front of the Windshield... If memory serves, from 1982-1988 it was painted Black, starting in 1989, to decrease costs they no longer painted them black. It was a misnomer that only Norwood cars got the black cowl, however both Norwood and Van Nuys had a black painted cowl.
Note: that along with other items that were previously painted one color were changed to a new color or were cheapened not necessarily to the worse, however to the different to save costs. Another example is from 1982-1988 the bolts that held in the front headlights on the Firebird were Silver, in 1989, they were black... Black paint is cheaper...
Note: that along with other items that were previously painted one color were changed to a new color or were cheapened not necessarily to the worse, however to the different to save costs. Another example is from 1982-1988 the bolts that held in the front headlights on the Firebird were Silver, in 1989, they were black... Black paint is cheaper...
12-03-2010, 10:48 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
an other question, what is an 1LE..i mean ,,what makes it so special ????
12-03-2010, 12:41 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Myth 1: 1LE's do not have AC... Not true, the vast majority of cars equipped with 1LE have AC (Mostly the TTA).
Myth 2: 1LE and T-tops are not available. Again, more T-top 1LE cars out there, granted they were not on your normal 1LE cars. Most people look at a camaro and think they are the rule, they are not. More 1LE Firebirds were made when you consider the special editions like TTA (which is a game changer)
12-03-2010, 12:42 PM
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12-03-2010, 02:39 PM
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Can we all agree that the 1LE code appears anytime the brakes appear, and doesn't apply anytime the brakes don't appear?
There have been lists of part numbers, and all kinds of published info saying 1LE includes all these options and parts, but at the end of the day every single part of the "1LE package" was available without the 1LE code EXCEPT the brakes.
A G92 car with A/C delete, with single piston calipers isn't a 1LE.
A car with dual piston calipers is a 1LE.
There have been lists of part numbers, and all kinds of published info saying 1LE includes all these options and parts, but at the end of the day every single part of the "1LE package" was available without the 1LE code EXCEPT the brakes.
A G92 car with A/C delete, with single piston calipers isn't a 1LE.
A car with dual piston calipers is a 1LE.
12-03-2010, 06:20 PM
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I think that is probably the case... The 1LE was ultimately the brakes....
12-03-2010, 06:24 PM
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I would have to agree with Drew and okfoz
12-03-2010, 06:53 PM
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my 88 is an early production its cowl is painted black, the 90 is a late production and the cowl is painted same as body color.
Picture of dual piston calipers
Picture of dual piston calipers
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
My name is Scott Southers and we built all the factory race 1LE's F- bodys for GM. Rick A Shay and I are still friends today. I built most of the cars at TDM or W2W through the 80's and 90's. It was a great time and we were successful in the IMSA Firehawk series and SCCA series. We even had Tom Goad, Dougie's father driving for a while. This was all headed by Jeff Bietzel who has now passed away last fall a friend and great mentor to me and many others!! I still enjoy driving the 3rd gens. www.bsmtech.com
Not sure if your still watching these cars but I'd like to chat more, I have an 88 that is sweet, needs gumballs to run. Please hit me up if your still around.
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
I'm quite sure the RPO tag on my 88 Iroc says 1le... I bought the car torn to pieces but the vin on the rpo sticker matches the tin vin tag on the body...
08-27-2012, 08:57 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Some things that made the car less expensive for 1989:
- Firebird & Formula lower chin plastic pieces were all black, where they were painted body/stripe color from 1985-1988
- The Cowl piece in front of the windshield was no longer painted black
- The 9th injector was removed, although technically an improvement, it was a savings in the end. 1 Less injector, Less fuel line, less wire, it was a win-win.
I am sure there were more, but those are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.
This really makes the 1988 1LE's even slightly more unique.
12-26-2012, 10:57 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Depends on what year you are talking about...
in 1988 there was 7, (4 Camaros and 3 Trans Ams)
Year, Camaros - Firebirds
1988, 4 - 7
1989, 111 - 26
1990, 62 - 4
1991, 478 - 108
1992, 705 - 31
TOTAL, 1363 - 173
I know a guy that has owned every year 1LE, I think he had both Camaro and Trans Am, all at one time... with the exception if 1988...
The majority of Camaros in 1991 & 1992 with 1LE were the B4C (police package) Camaro.
The second most popular destination for the 1LE was the Players Series in Canada... For example in 1988, ALL of them went to Canada If I remember correctly. Prior to this the brakes were available, but somehow under a different program, probably through GM Performance Parts...
John
in 1988 there was 7, (4 Camaros and 3 Trans Ams)
Year, Camaros - Firebirds
1988, 4 - 7
1989, 111 - 26
1990, 62 - 4
1991, 478 - 108
1992, 705 - 31
TOTAL, 1363 - 173
I know a guy that has owned every year 1LE, I think he had both Camaro and Trans Am, all at one time... with the exception if 1988...
The majority of Camaros in 1991 & 1992 with 1LE were the B4C (police package) Camaro.
The second most popular destination for the 1LE was the Players Series in Canada... For example in 1988, ALL of them went to Canada If I remember correctly. Prior to this the brakes were available, but somehow under a different program, probably through GM Performance Parts...
John
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01-20-2013, 01:35 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
No they did not, in fact they had no idea what they were selling when I bought it.
Hearsay is not a valid answer. It's my understanding the 1988 cars did not show 1LE on the RPO tag because the option code did not exist in the system until 1989. I appreciate your responses, but unless you can offer conclusive proof, your answers are hearsay.
It's also my understanding the 4 cars were built close in sequence number and the vins were all in the 192XXX range - which mine is not. Can anyone verify that conclusively?
01-20-2013, 03:54 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
I'm sure that having three posts and claiming that we are speaking out our rear ends is just a little arrogant, don't you think? Based on your comments, the seller did know what they were selling and you didn't know what you were buying. Yes, the car did have RPO 1LE listed on the SPID in 1988 if it was a 1LE. The option code was known in 1988, so your understanding is incorrect.
Your claim that we need to offer proof or it's just hearsay is going to have to remain as it is. I will not post the pictures I have of these cars because for me to "prove" it to you will require that I post the VIN numbers.
We have found many cars that are configured identical to a 1LE in 1988 that had 5 speed/G92 and no AC that do not have the 1LE brakes. Most of these cars are also export cars and not destined for the US.
Your claim that we need to offer proof or it's just hearsay is going to have to remain as it is. I will not post the pictures I have of these cars because for me to "prove" it to you will require that I post the VIN numbers.
We have found many cars that are configured identical to a 1LE in 1988 that had 5 speed/G92 and no AC that do not have the 1LE brakes. Most of these cars are also export cars and not destined for the US.
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01-20-2013, 04:03 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
and my 88 iroc is one of those, LB9, 5 speed, G92, No AC ...etc.. yet it's not a 1LE because it's a Canadian Export car.
Not a 1LE, no 1LE brakes, No alu driveshaft, no 1LE RPO....
AR9: SEAT, FRT BKT, EUROPEAN STYLE, PASS A DRIVER RECL
A01: WINDOW, TINTED, ALL SHADED, W/S
A31: WINDOW, POWER OPERATED, SIDE
A90: LOCK CONTROL, RR COMPT LID, REM CONT ELEC RELEASE
B34: COVERING, FRT FLOOR MATS CARPETED INSERT
B35: COVERING, REAR, FLOOR MATS CARPETED INSERT
B6Q: DECAL PACKAGE, 02
CD4: WIPER SYSTEM WINDSHIELD, PULSE
C41: HVAC SYSTEM, HEATER OUTSIDE AIR, WITH FAN
C49: DEFOGGER, RR WINDOW, ELECTRIC
C95: LAMP, INTR, ROOF, COURTESY AND DUAL READING
D34: MIRROR, VISOR VANITY
D35: MIRROR, OUTSIDE REAR VIEW
D7J: GEAR, SPEEDO DRIVEN
D80: SPOILER, RR END PNL
D88: DECAL, STRIPE, SPORT
E5Z: SPEEDOMETER ADAPTER (DELETE)
E7Z: SENSOR VEH SPD (DELETE)
E9Z: SPEEDOMETER KEY (DELETE)
FE2: SUSPENSION SYSTEM, RIDE HANDLING
GM3: AXLE REAR, 3.45 RATIO
G80: AXLE POSITRACTION, LIMITED SLIP
G92: AXLE REAR RATIO, PERFORMANCE
J65: BRAKE SYSTEM, PWR, FRT & RR DISC
KC4: COOLING SYSTEM, ENG OIL
K68: GENERATOR,105 AMP
LB9: ENGINE, GAS, 8 CYL, 5.0L, TPI, HO
MK6: TRANSMISSION, MAN 5 SPD, B0RG WARNER, 2.95 1ST, O/D
MM5: MERCHANDISED TRANS, MAN 5 SPD PROVISIONS
NA5: EMISSION SYSTEM, FEDERAL, TIER O
NP5: LEATHER WRAPPED, STEERING WHEEL AND SHIFT ****
N33: STEERING COLUMN, TILT TYPE
N65: WHEEL & TIRE,SPARE, SPACE SAVER, STEEL
N96: WHEEL, 16 X 8, CAST ALUMINUM
PB4: LOCK CONTROL, WHEEL
QDZ: TIRE ALL, P245/50VR16/N BL R/PE ST TL HW4
TR9: LAMP, GROUP
TT4: HEADLAMPS, HALOGEN, 4
T93: TAIL & STOP LAMP, SMOKED
T96: LAMP, FOG
UM6: RADIO, AM/FM STEREO, SEEK/SCAN, AUTO REV CASS,
UQ1: RADIO PROVISIONS, FOR STEREO
U25: LAMP, INTR, RR COMPT, COURTESY
U26: LAMP, INTR, ENG COMPT, COURTESY
U29: LAMP, INTR I/P, COURTESY
U79: SPEAKER SYSTEM, 4, DUAL FRT COAX, DUAL EXT RGE PKG
VAN: ASSEMBLY PLANT, VAN NUYS, CA
VK3: LICENSE PLATE, FRT MOUNTING PKG
V73: VEHICLE STATEMENT USA/CANADA
WW1: APPEARANCE PACKAGE(WHITE), AERO #l
W62: ORNAMENTATION, AERO PACKAGE
X06: CANADIAN GROUP
Z28: MERCHANDISED PKG, SPECIAL PERFORMANCE
Z31: ADVANCE PRICE SHEET
Z49: EXPORT, CANADIAN MODIF MANDATORY BASE EOUIP
15P: WHEEL COLOR SILVER METALLIC
40U: PRIMARY COLOR, EXTERIOR, WHITE
6DB: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, FRONT, LEFT HAND
7DB: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, FRONT, RIGHT HAND
8NL: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, REAR, RIGHT HAND
82B: TRIM COMBINATION, CLOTH, MED DK GRAY
82I: INTERIOR TRIM, MED DK GRAY (91)
829: SEAT BELT COLOR, MED DK GRAY (91)
9NL: COMPUTER SELECTED REAR RIGHTHAND SPRING
90A: STRIPE COLOR, ACCENT, TWO TONE, SILVER/YELLOW
Not a 1LE, no 1LE brakes, No alu driveshaft, no 1LE RPO....
AR9: SEAT, FRT BKT, EUROPEAN STYLE, PASS A DRIVER RECL
A01: WINDOW, TINTED, ALL SHADED, W/S
A31: WINDOW, POWER OPERATED, SIDE
A90: LOCK CONTROL, RR COMPT LID, REM CONT ELEC RELEASE
B34: COVERING, FRT FLOOR MATS CARPETED INSERT
B35: COVERING, REAR, FLOOR MATS CARPETED INSERT
B6Q: DECAL PACKAGE, 02
CD4: WIPER SYSTEM WINDSHIELD, PULSE
C41: HVAC SYSTEM, HEATER OUTSIDE AIR, WITH FAN
C49: DEFOGGER, RR WINDOW, ELECTRIC
C95: LAMP, INTR, ROOF, COURTESY AND DUAL READING
D34: MIRROR, VISOR VANITY
D35: MIRROR, OUTSIDE REAR VIEW
D7J: GEAR, SPEEDO DRIVEN
D80: SPOILER, RR END PNL
D88: DECAL, STRIPE, SPORT
E5Z: SPEEDOMETER ADAPTER (DELETE)
E7Z: SENSOR VEH SPD (DELETE)
E9Z: SPEEDOMETER KEY (DELETE)
FE2: SUSPENSION SYSTEM, RIDE HANDLING
GM3: AXLE REAR, 3.45 RATIO
G80: AXLE POSITRACTION, LIMITED SLIP
G92: AXLE REAR RATIO, PERFORMANCE
J65: BRAKE SYSTEM, PWR, FRT & RR DISC
KC4: COOLING SYSTEM, ENG OIL
K68: GENERATOR,105 AMP
LB9: ENGINE, GAS, 8 CYL, 5.0L, TPI, HO
MK6: TRANSMISSION, MAN 5 SPD, B0RG WARNER, 2.95 1ST, O/D
MM5: MERCHANDISED TRANS, MAN 5 SPD PROVISIONS
NA5: EMISSION SYSTEM, FEDERAL, TIER O
NP5: LEATHER WRAPPED, STEERING WHEEL AND SHIFT ****
N33: STEERING COLUMN, TILT TYPE
N65: WHEEL & TIRE,SPARE, SPACE SAVER, STEEL
N96: WHEEL, 16 X 8, CAST ALUMINUM
PB4: LOCK CONTROL, WHEEL
QDZ: TIRE ALL, P245/50VR16/N BL R/PE ST TL HW4
TR9: LAMP, GROUP
TT4: HEADLAMPS, HALOGEN, 4
T93: TAIL & STOP LAMP, SMOKED
T96: LAMP, FOG
UM6: RADIO, AM/FM STEREO, SEEK/SCAN, AUTO REV CASS,
UQ1: RADIO PROVISIONS, FOR STEREO
U25: LAMP, INTR, RR COMPT, COURTESY
U26: LAMP, INTR, ENG COMPT, COURTESY
U29: LAMP, INTR I/P, COURTESY
U79: SPEAKER SYSTEM, 4, DUAL FRT COAX, DUAL EXT RGE PKG
VAN: ASSEMBLY PLANT, VAN NUYS, CA
VK3: LICENSE PLATE, FRT MOUNTING PKG
V73: VEHICLE STATEMENT USA/CANADA
WW1: APPEARANCE PACKAGE(WHITE), AERO #l
W62: ORNAMENTATION, AERO PACKAGE
X06: CANADIAN GROUP
Z28: MERCHANDISED PKG, SPECIAL PERFORMANCE
Z31: ADVANCE PRICE SHEET
Z49: EXPORT, CANADIAN MODIF MANDATORY BASE EOUIP
15P: WHEEL COLOR SILVER METALLIC
40U: PRIMARY COLOR, EXTERIOR, WHITE
6DB: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, FRONT, LEFT HAND
7DB: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, FRONT, RIGHT HAND
8NL: SPRING, COMPUTER SELECTED, REAR, RIGHT HAND
82B: TRIM COMBINATION, CLOTH, MED DK GRAY
82I: INTERIOR TRIM, MED DK GRAY (91)
829: SEAT BELT COLOR, MED DK GRAY (91)
9NL: COMPUTER SELECTED REAR RIGHTHAND SPRING
90A: STRIPE COLOR, ACCENT, TWO TONE, SILVER/YELLOW
01-20-2013, 04:57 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
I'm sure that having three posts and claiming that we are speaking out our rear ends is just a little arrogant, don't you think? Based on your comments, the seller did know what they were selling and you didn't know what you were buying. Yes, the car did have RPO 1LE listed on the SPID in 1988 if it was a 1LE. The option code was known in 1988, so your understanding is incorrect.
Your claim that we need to offer proof or it's just hearsay is going to have to remain as it is. I will not post the pictures I have of these cars because for me to "prove" it to you will require that I post the VIN numbers.
We have found many cars that are configured identical to a 1LE in 1988 that had 5 speed/G92 and no AC that do not have the 1LE brakes. Most of these cars are also export cars and not destined for the US.
Your claim that we need to offer proof or it's just hearsay is going to have to remain as it is. I will not post the pictures I have of these cars because for me to "prove" it to you will require that I post the VIN numbers.
We have found many cars that are configured identical to a 1LE in 1988 that had 5 speed/G92 and no AC that do not have the 1LE brakes. Most of these cars are also export cars and not destined for the US.
I'm simply stating a fact, if you are offended by that it was not intentional. If you have a photograph of one of the 4 then you can surely verify the second question I posted - is it in the 191XXX to 192XXX range?
There is a lot of bad information out there on these cars that gets perpetuated on these boards - fog lights/no fog lights - 1 4speed - 2 loaded up demo cars etc.. I know my car is not one of the 4 and you have incorrectly assumed I am trying to document it as such. I'm simply trying to verify the information that is being circulated which as a moderator I would think you would be in support of.
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01-20-2013, 05:04 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Mine wasn't an export and doesn't have the X06 or Z49 codes on it, nor does it have any power features whatsoever but yet carries the K65 105 amp alternator and UA1 Battery - a strange duck for sure.
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01-20-2013, 09:40 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Scott,
is it in the 191XXX to 192XXX range?
There is a lot of bad information out there on these cars that gets perpetuated on these boards - fog lights/no fog lights - 1 4speed - 2 loaded up demo cars etc...... I'm simply trying to verify the information that is being circulated which as a moderator I would think you would be in support of.
is it in the 191XXX to 192XXX range?
There is a lot of bad information out there on these cars that gets perpetuated on these boards - fog lights/no fog lights - 1 4speed - 2 loaded up demo cars etc...... I'm simply trying to verify the information that is being circulated which as a moderator I would think you would be in support of.
As for time2fly's response regarding offending me, I'm not sure I understand your issue. Why are you referring to me by my last name? I go by Scott. Thanks
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01-20-2013, 10:17 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Yes, we are interested in documenting things correctly here. If I mistook your response as arrogance and it wasn't intended, I apologize. The VIN I was mentioning is a 191xxx VIN. The car is black and has fog lights. It is a 350 car and the build sheet designates 1LE. Do you have any documentation on these cars that you'd like to share? We are always open to adding more documentation to the "library".
01-21-2013, 11:53 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
Carry on gentlemen.
01-21-2013, 05:28 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
As moderators, we get challenged by new members all the time. The problem is that most challenges are unfounded. The details they are trying to prove is that they have one of the four 1988 1LEs, or that they have an original 1 of 50 1986 L98s, or they have a factory 1986 convertible, or they have a factory 1992 L98 TTop car. It's usually the new members that provide these challenges. It's not being sensitive! If someone wants to challenge the answers they receive, then they should provide proof of why they are challenging the answer. Otherwise, the challenge is hearsay!!!
01-22-2013, 08:30 AM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
It has been my understanding that there were cars that were equipped with the 1LE brakes that were not 1LE cars before 1988... They were for the players series, and in many cases they were equipped with the larger front brakes as part of an option package for the series... The RPO changed every few years,
1986 - A4Q was the RPO for the Players
1987 & 1988 - A4U
1989 - 1992 - R7U
The 1986-1988 cars may have been equipped with the 1LE equipment, but that does not make them a "1LE" without the RPO... They would be an A4Q or A4U car... which to most people means nothing.
Also the 4 Camaro and 3 Trans Am 1LE's apparently all went to US customers, they may have been test cars, PEP cars, or someone knew what to order... not sure on that one...
If you want to know more go here: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...e-players.html or do an advanced search for "Players Challenge"
John
1986 - A4Q was the RPO for the Players
1987 & 1988 - A4U
1989 - 1992 - R7U
The 1986-1988 cars may have been equipped with the 1LE equipment, but that does not make them a "1LE" without the RPO... They would be an A4Q or A4U car... which to most people means nothing.
Also the 4 Camaro and 3 Trans Am 1LE's apparently all went to US customers, they may have been test cars, PEP cars, or someone knew what to order... not sure on that one...
If you want to know more go here: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...e-players.html or do an advanced search for "Players Challenge"
John
02-01-2013, 02:38 PM
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Re: 1988 1LE Camaro's
You need to look a little more carefully at the posts. You are correct that he asked a reasonable question and also required that we know definitively. I and Twin_Turbo reasonably and definitively answered based on those requirements. It was then that we interpreted his next response as a challenge that our answers are only hearsay unless we can provide proof. The original "reasonable" question never asked for proof. I think the interpretation of his challenge was fair given the details at that time.
As moderators, we get challenged by new members all the time. The problem is that most challenges are unfounded. The details they are trying to prove is that they have one of the four 1988 1LEs, or that they have an original 1 of 50 1986 L98s, or they have a factory 1986 convertible, or they have a factory 1992 L98 TTop car. It's usually the new members that provide these challenges. It's not being sensitive! If someone wants to challenge the answers they receive, then they should provide proof of why they are challenging the answer. Otherwise, the challenge is hearsay!!!
As moderators, we get challenged by new members all the time. The problem is that most challenges are unfounded. The details they are trying to prove is that they have one of the four 1988 1LEs, or that they have an original 1 of 50 1986 L98s, or they have a factory 1986 convertible, or they have a factory 1992 L98 TTop car. It's usually the new members that provide these challenges. It's not being sensitive! If someone wants to challenge the answers they receive, then they should provide proof of why they are challenging the answer. Otherwise, the challenge is hearsay!!!
02-01-2013, 03:06 PM
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