MikeDirntRulez

Damn! I always end up with this kind of luck!

I ended up looking under my seat today looking for the interior build sheet/options thing.... and I found one! It was in perfect condition, all folded neatly, so I ripped it out in a furious thrust.... and what do I see?

VIN: 1G2FS23T3LL219208
Which is a v6 Firebird, sequence #219208.

Now, here's my VIN: 1G1FP23E5LL131705
Which is a v8 Camaro, sequence #131705.

This is so retarded. I can't believe this happened to me! I have never heard of this happening to anybody else ever. Now, some other Camaro/Firebird (which is probably wrecked now) has my options sheet in it, and probably my build sheet too!

What I have to ask though, is how could they mess this up? I don't think the two cars were even built on the same day since the Seq # is so far apart.

But hey, if anybody out there has this VIN, I have a present for you!

Xophertony

clearly your seats were swapped out with the ones from that firebird. which is sitting in a junkyard somwhere or crushed. and your seats are in a landfill somwhere. sucky.

MikeDirntRulez

Unless Firebird seats have "Camaro" embroidered on them from the factory, I don't think that was the case.

ScottyRS

iTrader: (2)

It is possible to switch the seat covers too. Maybe the seat itself was off a Firebird, and then they recovered it with an original Camaro seat cover. I don't see how they could have been switched at the factory.

Mr. TurboTA

I agree!
I have a friend who sold a 1972 455 HO Trans Am to another friend, and it had Camaro standard seats in it.
I told my friend who just bought it, and he said No Way!
I told him to check under the driver's seat, and low and behold, a build sheet from a Camaro!
I had a 1972 Firebird with standard seats, and knew they were different.

George

David M

I disagree. A friend of mine had a '90 IROC (last eight of his VIN was LL115490). He found a build sheet in his car from a '90 Firebird. He bought his car with 30K miles on it in Aug '93 from the original owner. The '90 IROC was all original and 100% correct.

The sequencing numbers for the Camaro (LL131705) and the Firebird (LL219208) seem right in line. Probably built right behind each other when the seats were installed. I would like to run the VIN's on both cars and see if they are built on the same day. Also I'll see if my friend still has that Firebird build sheet he found in his car. He has sold his '90 IROC though.

MikeDirntRulez

See, that's what I was thinking. I know this car is all original, never touched. It only had one owner and it was an elderly lady. I was thinking maybe it was something with the 1990 model cars. Even though the sequences between the two cars are off, it might have been the next sequence in the Firebird model line.

Thank you for not making me look like i'm crazy.

Xophertony

this is crazy. what a neat little fact.

Talon

This is VERY WORTH WHILE INFO to know and remember!!!..

MikeDirntRulez

It is interesting. I thought I was the only one affected.

Can anybody else with a 1990 Camaro confirm this? Just look under your driver or passenger seat and you should find the paper.

Maybe they were so distraught over the end of the IROC they couldn't do their job correctly?

Apeiron

I can't imagine them assembling Camaros and Firebirds at the same time. To me it would seem a lot more cost effective to build a few hundred or thousand of one or the other at a time.

Talon

My Dreams,, They Are'nt As Empty As My Conscience Seems To be.....................

coolram62

iTrader: (2)

Apeiron they could alternate Camaro - Firebird down the line or be several consecutive.The punch sheet/build sheet tells those on the line what goes in each.The wrong build sheet showing up in cars goes back a long ways and across many model lines.My '70 Monte Carlo SS's build sheet was in tatters under the back seat.But I had a friend that had a '71 his Dad bought new.She had a build sheet from a Chevelle.As many people have stated these sheets weren't really intended to stay with the vehicle after they leave the assembly line.Some do and it depends on the factory as much as anything else(Flint,MI assembled "A" bodies didn't have them - well very highly unusual if they do).

91rsowner4life

hey did you run the VIN# on the paper through car fax or something? it would be kind of cool to see what comes up. this page is real cool

p.haze92

Guys, the cars came down the same assembly line right???? If so, it is very easy to switch the paperwork at the plant.

MikeDirntRulez

I understand that, I just posted this to state how pissed off I was to find a sheet from another car, knowing that mine is in some other car which is probably wrecked by now.

I haven't ran the VIN on the paper through Carfax, I just did it through the VIN decoder. I would be interested to know if maybe that car has my sheet in it, like they got traded, or if it's just all mixed up everywhere.

If that v6 firebird is in Southern California, i'm going to go find it.

Xophertony

that would be the ultimate re-union. the two cars, clearly built one right after the other together again so ther eowners could trade build sheets and stories..... neat. am i the only one that thinks that would be awsome?

Agent13

iTrader: (6)

It's not anywhere in CA. No smog records are showing up.

chevy35086

id love to find my build sheet one day but i know that will never happen.

MikeDirntRulez

Print out this post and take it with you to the car.

Check the front inside bumper above the license plate (seems to be 90-92)
Check anywhere near the rear bumper
Check under your seats, up inside the wire and stuff (common in 90-92)
Check in your spare tire area, might be taped to the actual car (Common in pre-90 cars)

Other spots:
On top of the gas tank (common in older cars)
On top of the headliner
under the carpet somewhere
behind the door panels (common in 90-92 cars)

Tobias05

learn something new every day!

ParkRNDL

Something like that happened to me. I had a '70 Monte Carlo, and I found a build sheet under the front passenger seat, but it wasn't for my car. The serial number was off by like 12 or 15... the car was optioned similarly to mine, but mine had a small block 400 and the one on the build sheet seemed to have a 396/402..

--rick

84'Firebird

iTrader: (1)

not to change the subject or anything but i found a sheet like that in my car, is that the build sheet?

phess11

Build sheet for the seats.

This is a f-body build sheet.

84'Firebird

iTrader: (1)

thanx, the look continues. lol

Mikos_89

Another place you might want to check for the buildsheet is up by the firewall area on the passenger-side behind the HVAC box in the interior.

I recently took apart the evaporator core housing and blower fan assembly from the engine compartment and low and behold I saw my build sheet peeking out from the opening going into the heater core. Nearly an 1" of the paper is sticking up into the hole.lol!

Hey MikeDirntRulez...have you tried getting a copy of the original invoice for the car yet? That'll give you most of the info a build sheet would have anyway.

Anyone remember that girl who used to post on this site who worked for GM archives and was offering people free copy's of their invoices? That was pretty cool. I don't think she works there anymore and I believe GM charges you for that info now, but it was nice while it lasted.

84'Firebird

iTrader: (1)

ill have to check that out today.

1991L98G92

I think once the SPID's were put in cars, build sheets took on a different look. Also, my 91 doesn't have seat springs showing. The foam looks to be injected around the spring, so there is no way to put a sheet under the seat. I don't know if 90's are like that, but I doubt 92's have springs showing either. Any paperwork that you do find for your car just makes what it does have that much better. Only the custom cloth has the Camaro embroidered, so if it's not custom cloth, you probably won't know if it's Camaro or Firebird.
Just my $.02

David M

Paperwork on the 92's were just throw into the passengers side floorboard. Working at a Chevrolet Dealership in 1992, the guy who PDI'd our cars retrieved all the build sheets for me from all the 92 Camaro's we received. Instead of these sheets getting tossed in the trash, I have filed them away with a picture of each car and a close up picture of the window sticker attached to the build sheet. I have acquired 78 build sheets that came through that dealership in 1992.

1985WS6transam

iTrader: (4)

I ran the vin on carfax for you. On 7/14/2004 A new owner was issued at 180,000 miles along with a salvage certificate. On 7/23/04 a Flood damage Title was issued.

08/04/2004
Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Lexington, KY
Title #042170340043
SALVAGE TITLE/CERTIFICATE ISSUED
FLOOD DAMAGE TITLE ISSUED

That was the last record they had on the car. Like you said, the car is gone most likley.

aaron7

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Found my 84 Z28 built sheet in the spare tire well, and the one for my 88 Iroc under the carpet somewhere. Or I might have that backwards...

92RS(real slow)

Same story here i have looked everywhere in my car, and i know it will never show up but every now and then i still check hoping it might magically appear

86NiteRider

iTrader: (10)

I don't remember her and I did get one. It is something nice to have to add to my recrds, especially since my '92 was a ONE owner and still in great shape.

phess11

I think it is in this thread:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...actory+invoice