1984 ZF Camaro emblem... wtf?
10-11-2003, 07:07 PM
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Car: 83 bird
Engine: 305/383
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3:42
Why so though... I would think that if it was new or something, but he says he pulled it off of his car
Thought I might have something there!
Thought I might have something there!
10-11-2003, 11:13 PM
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Car: 1986 Z28
Engine: 355TPI 380hp
Transmission: Rebuilt 700r w/ Transgo Shift Kit
Well believe it or not, it's not BS. I'm not sure on how many, but some Camaro's came with a 6-Speed, otherwise known as a ZF 6-Speed.
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10-11-2003, 11:57 PM
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Car: 1989 TransAm GTA
Engine: One sweet modified 355 TPI.
Transmission: The kind that shifts....
6spd? What factory, production 1982 to 1992 F-bodies ever came with a ZF 6spd tranny?
I've never head of this. I know the Firehawks had 6spd ZF trannies, and the Firefox concepts had them.
I've never head of this. I know the Firehawks had 6spd ZF trannies, and the Firefox concepts had them.
10-12-2003, 02:26 AM
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It's real, but it has nothing to do with a ZF 6-speed. I've seen one of these cars in person. It's nothing special. It's basically a dealer installed appearance package. I have a couple of the badges I took off of the car I mentioned. It was in a junk yard. Attached is a scan I did of one of the badges I have.
10-12-2003, 10:47 AM
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Car: 83 bird
Engine: 305/383
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3:42
A 6spd factory third gen? Now that's something I haven't ever seen!
Was the ZF appearance package for the non-Z28 cars?
Was the ZF appearance package for the non-Z28 cars?
10-12-2003, 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by aaron7
A 6spd factory third gen? Now that's something I haven't ever seen!
A 6spd factory third gen? Now that's something I haven't ever seen!
As far as I can tell the ZF pkg was an appearance package that was dealer installed on sport coupes. The main feature was fake woodgrain panels glued on to the dash.
10-12-2003, 04:52 PM
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Car: 83 bird
Engine: 305/383
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3:42
I saw what you had posted, but then why did someone above post the thing with the 6 speed? Must have come from somewhere
I always thought all interior covers (woodgrain, carbon fiber, aluminum) were aftermarket
I always thought all interior covers (woodgrain, carbon fiber, aluminum) were aftermarket
10-12-2003, 05:23 PM
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Car: 1986 Z28
Engine: 355TPI 380hp
Transmission: Rebuilt 700r w/ Transgo Shift Kit
That was me, Sorry about that, I've been reading all day trying to find out exactly what the "ZF" is, and sure enough, from what I've read, it's just an appearance package put on "mostly" Sport Coupes. Anyway sorry about leading you the wrong way, although, in 1992 there were 2 B4C Camaros that came with a 6-speed, but there is only one left now. Also in 1992, the SLP Firehawks had the ZF 6-Speed installed. Of course there were only 25 built, so I guess they're not considered production cars.
EDIT: Again sorry, the 2 Camaros were just prototypes of plans that fell through.
This is from: https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/techdb.shtml
EDIT: Again sorry, the 2 Camaros were just prototypes of plans that fell through.
This is from: https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/techdb.shtml
A Special 25th Anniversary `Collector's Edition' Camaro was planned, but then dropped. There were to be 602 (same as the number of 67 Z28's) produced. Only two prototypes were completed however. The prototype Collector's Edition Camaro started as a white Heritage Edition RS Camaro with black stripes. Then the B4C police package was added, then it was equipped with the Corvette L98 5.7 aluminum head motor, fitted with siamesed intake runners, and then tubular headers. This brought the horsepower rating up to 270. The car was also equipped with a ZF 6-speed and GTA black `lace' 16x8 wheels. Only 1 of the 2 cars were kept and can be seen at shows.
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10-12-2003, 05:24 PM
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Some people say things without really knowing what they are saying. 
Is there a ZF 6 Speed, yes. Was it ever in a 3rd gen Camaro, no. As cdartz said, it was an 84 model year dealer installed or regional dealership installed appearance upgrade on the sport coupes.
Is there a ZF 6 Speed, yes. Was it ever in a 3rd gen Camaro, no. As cdartz said, it was an 84 model year dealer installed or regional dealership installed appearance upgrade on the sport coupes.
10-12-2003, 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by jgifford
[B]in 1992 there were 2 B4C Camaros that came with a 6-speed, but there is only one left now.
EDIT: Again sorry, the 2 Camaros were just prototypes of plans that fell through.
[B]in 1992 there were 2 B4C Camaros that came with a 6-speed, but there is only one left now.
EDIT: Again sorry, the 2 Camaros were just prototypes of plans that fell through.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...htp_realworld/
10-12-2003, 10:17 PM
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I don't think that's the old white car. There were 2, 1 got crushed and the other is now stashed in GM's "garage". The white car didn't have a tan interior. The car in the article has a tan interior. They said they think this was one of the test cars, which it might be, but it isn't the white one we've seen before. I have an article on the white 92 with lotsa pics. I'll check into it further.
10-12-2003, 10:55 PM
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Scott, I wish I could remember what mag and month that featured that car, but I'm 100% postive that it was previously white and has a ZF 6-speed. I'm sure it's the car. I have the mag somewhere, but it would take some time to find. I might dig around for it tomorrow morning as I don't have to be in to work until about 1:30 in the afternoon.
10-12-2003, 11:39 PM
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Camaro World did a write up on it and also had it as a cover photo at least 1.5 years ago. I have the mag and I'll look it up tomorrow.
10-13-2003, 07:05 AM
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Car: 89 20th Ann. TA
Engine: Turbo 3.8 V6
Transmission: 200 4R
Axle/Gears: 3.27
I know the "ZF" was on the dealer lots here in MD in '84. They were all sport coupes. Same emblem design as the Z28 emblems.
So it could have been a regional thing, don't know. But they were most definitely around the lots back then.
So it could have been a regional thing, don't know. But they were most definitely around the lots back then.
10-13-2003, 08:12 AM
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I saw them in NJ when I was in HS. The one on ebay is in Philly and you saw them in MD. I would say that it was a Northeast region thing.
10-13-2003, 12:59 PM
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Found the article and scanned in the pics. The interior of the only remaining Heritage car with a 6 speed is grey. Chevrolet still owns this car.
10-13-2003, 01:26 PM
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I have a ZF Camaro. Mine is an 84, 2.8 auto and has the emblems on the doors, back, console and dash. Ill get some pics when I get a shot of it. Im located in Connecticut too, so the northeast region thing looks accurate.
10-13-2003, 01:44 PM
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I can't find the mag that has that article I mentioned. It may have been my former roommate's, and not mine. Anyway I know they mentioned they car had been white previously. Here is a quote from the GMHTP article I posted the link to.
Perhaps this yellow car was at one time one of the Heritage cars, but it seems it's not the same one you've posted. I know this car has a ZF 6-speed, and that it has always belonged to one or another GM division. But it appears it's not the same one you've posted. Man I wish I could find that damn article. I know they said it was white at one time, and I know they said it had been featured in it's previous incarnation. Damnit!
"When we found this particular Camaro," Penn recounts, "it was just another ratty, used-up F-car on its way to the crusher. Chevy had used it as a long-term durability test vehicle and generally beat the hell out of it. In the end, we were able to save it from the crusher, and we purchased the car from Chevrolet for the princely sum of one dollar." Another gem: "Though it's impossible to be absolutely certain, I'm pretty sure this Camaro was one of the original Heritage Edition cars."
10-13-2003, 07:54 PM
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i have only seen one zf camaro in person and my good friend owns it. he drives it to school daily in the summer. its basically a sport coupe. his is in very nice condition though. always well taken care of. its only a carbed v6 5 speed though
10-14-2003, 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by cdartz
I know they said it was white at one time, and I know they said it had been featured in it's previous incarnation. Damnit!
I know they said it was white at one time, and I know they said it had been featured in it's previous incarnation. Damnit!
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84 ZF 305 AUTO 4 WHEEL DISCS
I HAVE A 84 SPECTRA RED SPORT COUPE WITH A 305 AND 4 WHEEL DICS......IT WAS BOUGHT NEW HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA....IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS SEEN ONE NOW...MY FRIENDS HAVE BEEN TELLING ME THE EMBLEMS CAME FROM WALMART SINCE WE WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL......FINALLY ,,IM NOT CRAZY AFTER ALL....LOL...HERE IS A PIC OF MY INTERIOR...
03-03-2004, 08:14 AM
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Car: 83 bird
Engine: 305/383
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3:42
Is that the dealer installed woodgrain interior? Gross! I thought it'd look a little more classy than that! lol
03-04-2004, 05:11 PM
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From what I can find, the "ZF" was a appearance package distributed by GM dealers only. Mostly found on the east coast. This included the badging, woodgrain pieces for the interior, etc. When I sold Pontiacs, the dealer had 'special edition' Sunfires, oooooo, woopie! It had special badges, graphics, wheels. Typical crap.
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JUST FOUND MY BUILD SHEET FOR ZF COUPE
JUST THOUGHT I WOULD POST A PIC OF ACTUAL ZF BUILD SHEET .....MY CAR SAYS IT WAS SHIPPED TO AMERICAN SUNROOF INC.. FOR THE CONVERSION....PROBABLY CANT READ THE PIC BUT ILL LIST TEH RPOS NEXT....THANKS JACK
03-04-2004, 09:08 PM
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ZF RPO.............
i posted a pic of the sheet ,,,but i doubt you can read it.......here is the rpo codes for it....
649 doeskin blt
ar9 f buck seat w
a01 tinted glass
bx5 rf drip mldg
b34 b35 f-r fl ca
cd4 pulse wip
c49 rr defog elec
c60 air cond man
d35 custom mirror
d30 spoiler rear
gu4 3.08 axle
j50 power brakes
k19 air injection
lg4 304 v8 4 bbl
k64 78 amp generat
md8 4spd auto/tra
mxo 4 spd auto tr
na5 stand emissio
nb1 close loop em
n33 tilt strg whl
qmx 195/75r/14
ul5 delete radio
uk3 lic mount brk
zj7 hub / trim ring
64b d/skin std cl
64i doeskin mix
75l redpaint
2dr std camaro
I COPIED THE RPOS WORD FOR WORD AS THEY APPEARED ON THE BUILD SHEET!!
for the dealer it says ---BOB FISHER CHEVROLET READING PA
AND FOR THE SHIP TO---IT SAYS -- AMERICAN SUNROOF INC...NEW CASTLE DE....
DATE SHIPPED IS BLANK.....ANY IDEA ON WHAT CODE TO LOOK FOR TO SEE IF THE CAR WAS A CUSTOMER ORDER OR A REGULAR STOCK ITEM????ANY OTHER THINGS TOO LOOK FOR????THANKS AGAIN GUYS....JACK
649 doeskin blt
ar9 f buck seat w
a01 tinted glass
bx5 rf drip mldg
b34 b35 f-r fl ca
cd4 pulse wip
c49 rr defog elec
c60 air cond man
d35 custom mirror
d30 spoiler rear
gu4 3.08 axle
j50 power brakes
k19 air injection
lg4 304 v8 4 bbl
k64 78 amp generat
md8 4spd auto/tra
mxo 4 spd auto tr
na5 stand emissio
nb1 close loop em
n33 tilt strg whl
qmx 195/75r/14
ul5 delete radio
uk3 lic mount brk
zj7 hub / trim ring
64b d/skin std cl
64i doeskin mix
75l redpaint
2dr std camaro
I COPIED THE RPOS WORD FOR WORD AS THEY APPEARED ON THE BUILD SHEET!!
for the dealer it says ---BOB FISHER CHEVROLET READING PA
AND FOR THE SHIP TO---IT SAYS -- AMERICAN SUNROOF INC...NEW CASTLE DE....
DATE SHIPPED IS BLANK.....ANY IDEA ON WHAT CODE TO LOOK FOR TO SEE IF THE CAR WAS A CUSTOMER ORDER OR A REGULAR STOCK ITEM????ANY OTHER THINGS TOO LOOK FOR????THANKS AGAIN GUYS....JACK
03-09-2004, 06:48 AM
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Car: 89 Trans-AM
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 5 Sp.
Originally posted by jgifford
Well believe it or not, it's not BS. I'm not sure on how many, but some Camaro's came with a 6-Speed, otherwise known as a ZF 6-Speed.
Well believe it or not, it's not BS. I'm not sure on how many, but some Camaro's came with a 6-Speed, otherwise known as a ZF 6-Speed.
Believe it or not u are worng! ZF does not mean 6sp.
No 82-92 Camaro came with a 6sp. from GM
Sorry
03-09-2004, 06:52 AM
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Car: 89 Trans-AM
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 5 Sp.
Originally posted by Tranny89
Believe it or not u are worng! ZF does not mean 6sp.
No 82-92 Camaro came with a 6sp. from GM
Sorry
Believe it or not u are worng! ZF does not mean 6sp.
No 82-92 Camaro came with a 6sp. from GM
Sorry
Sorry
I have took notice many all ready cleared that up
03-12-2004, 10:34 AM
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I owned one of these too! My first car was an 84 V6 Camaro ZF. This was back in 91 and the car was original. Most people are correct here. My car was from MD and I lived in PA.
This is what ZF had.
1. Black Stripes all down the hood and along the lower sides...they were ugly
2. ZF Emblems attached where the "Camaro" emblems would have been
3. REAL wood dash and console trim (not fake as someone mentioned)
4. Sunroof
5. My car had a Grant GT wood steering wheel but this was probably installed by the previous owner
I still have one of the ZF emblems I took off my car as a keepsake of my first car. I didn't buy mine because of the ZF stuff but I thought it was pretty cool. That dash emblem looked decent and the quality an appearance of the emblems was consistent with GMs stuff. I didn't really like the woodgrain, though. What 16 year old wants wood grain on their car?!
I only have one picture of my car before I de-ZF'd it and converted it to the appearance of a 89-90 RS (ground effects, wheels, bumpers)...I'll see if I can dig it up and scan it.
To the guy running 0-60 in 11.4 seconds. I believe it. That car was a dog! I think mine was more like 13 seconds, though...seriously.
Sean
This is what ZF had.
1. Black Stripes all down the hood and along the lower sides...they were ugly
2. ZF Emblems attached where the "Camaro" emblems would have been
3. REAL wood dash and console trim (not fake as someone mentioned)
4. Sunroof
5. My car had a Grant GT wood steering wheel but this was probably installed by the previous owner
I still have one of the ZF emblems I took off my car as a keepsake of my first car. I didn't buy mine because of the ZF stuff but I thought it was pretty cool. That dash emblem looked decent and the quality an appearance of the emblems was consistent with GMs stuff. I didn't really like the woodgrain, though. What 16 year old wants wood grain on their car?!
I only have one picture of my car before I de-ZF'd it and converted it to the appearance of a 89-90 RS (ground effects, wheels, bumpers)...I'll see if I can dig it up and scan it.
To the guy running 0-60 in 11.4 seconds. I believe it. That car was a dog! I think mine was more like 13 seconds, though...seriously.
Sean
03-21-2004, 10:46 PM
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Car: 84 Z28
Engine: L69: cam and porting
Transmission: T5, 3.73 rear
When I worked at the GM proving grounds, I saw the yellow Camaro mentioned above parked in a staging lane ready to be shipped. The keys were in it and it was unlocked so naturally i fired it up. Of course I didn't drive it for fear of being fired. Sounded sooo nice. It was running a Ramjet 350 and a ZF 6 speed, i know this because the shift **** was the same as early-mid 90s Vettes (orange shift pattern).
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
Engine: Proaction 412, Accel singleplane
Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
Axle/Gears: stock w/later 4th gen torsen pos
Originally posted by scottmoyer
Found the article and scanned in the pics. The interior of the only remaining Heritage car with a 6 speed is grey. Chevrolet still owns this car.
Found the article and scanned in the pics. The interior of the only remaining Heritage car with a 6 speed is grey. Chevrolet still owns this car.
where can I get more info on the proposed car like the article?
10-22-2004, 10:31 PM
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Car: '83 Z28, '07 Charger SRT8
Engine: 454ci, 6.1 Hemi
Transmission: TH350, A5
Axle/Gears: 2.73 posi, 3.06 posi
Those 2 prototypes also had a one-off set of headers made for them too.
10-22-2004, 10:51 PM
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
Engine: Proaction 412, Accel singleplane
Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
Axle/Gears: stock w/later 4th gen torsen pos
no they were a set of headers AND an oil pan. they were off the shelf made by ASM for anyone (road racers mainly) and GM decided to use them. They were full lenth and the drivers side had a big turn in all of the primaries right under the oil pan.
10-23-2004, 04:43 PM
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Car: 2012 Corvette Grand Sport 'vert
Engine: LS3
Transmission: 6L80
Axle/Gears: 2:73
Yep, the ZF has nothing to do with the transmission in that car......it would be an anachronsim in any 1984 Camaro or Corvette anyway, since the ZF6 did not debut in a "Chevrolet" configuration until the 1989 model year.
In '84, the Corvette was stuck with the DNE 4+3 manual transmission.
In '84, the Corvette was stuck with the DNE 4+3 manual transmission.
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Car: 89 Iroc Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27 Posi 9 bolt PBR
I have seen 2 of these zf camaros myself.Both of them were in a junkyard.I had never heard anything about them and neither did anybody else I asked about it.They had the stick on emblems on the rear bumper and also on the dash and i believe the front fenders too.One was a 1984 and the other an 85
10-23-2004, 08:46 PM
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Car: 1985 Camaro, 1986 Trans Am
Engine: 5.0L carbed and 5.0L TPI
Transmission: TH700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 and 3.27 posi
Originally posted by scottmoyer
Found the article and scanned in the pics. The interior of the only remaining Heritage car with a 6 speed is grey. Chevrolet still owns this car.
Found the article and scanned in the pics. The interior of the only remaining Heritage car with a 6 speed is grey. Chevrolet still owns this car.
EDIT: Oops, looks like B4Ctom1 already said all that! (It pays to read before posting.)
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10-23-2004, 08:58 PM
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no they were a set of headers AND an oil pan. they were off the shelf made by ASM for anyone (road racers mainly) and GM decided to use them. They were full lenth and the drivers side had a big turn in all of the primaries right under the oil pan.
no they were a set of headers AND an oil pan. they were off the shelf made by ASM for anyone (road racers mainly) and GM decided to use them. They were full lenth and the drivers side had a big turn in all of the primaries right under the oil pan.
10-23-2004, 09:23 PM
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
Engine: Proaction 412, Accel singleplane
Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
Axle/Gears: stock w/later 4th gen torsen pos
hmm I am now wondering if those headers that curved under the oil pan were try Y or not. hmm maybe they were.
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
Engine: Proaction 412, Accel singleplane
Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
Axle/Gears: stock w/later 4th gen torsen pos
well we know that the ZF in these cars does not mean the transmissions.
but if you are curious to know what the ZF on the transmissions means, ZF stands for:
"Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen"
which means: "gear factory Friedrichshafen"
Friedrichshafen is a place where the factory is, and btw they opened another factory there.
but if you are curious to know what the ZF on the transmissions means, ZF stands for:
"Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen"
which means: "gear factory Friedrichshafen"
Friedrichshafen is a place where the factory is, and btw they opened another factory there.
11-01-2004, 11:41 PM
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Ya know the more I think about that last statement I made the more I think I'm wrong. I think instead of reading it in the article my old roommate must have told me that instead, or he told me something close to that and somehow I got it all twisted around. Hell I don't know. I'm going to shut up now.
Ya know the more I think about that last statement I made the more I think I'm wrong. I think instead of reading it in the article my old roommate must have told me that instead, or he told me something close to that and somehow I got it all twisted around. Hell I don't know. I'm going to shut up now.
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
Engine: Proaction 412, Accel singleplane
Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
Axle/Gears: stock w/later 4th gen torsen pos
sadly of the two original, the surviving "original" 25th aniversary prototype (seen above) has since been repainted in yellow and equiped with a ramjet for GM demonstration and show purposes. Im sure you have all seen it.
11-02-2004, 04:31 PM
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sadly of the two original, the surviving "original" 25th aniversary prototype (seen above) has since been repainted in yellow and equiped with a ramjet for GM demonstration and show purposes. Im sure you have all seen it.
sadly of the two original, the surviving "original" 25th aniversary prototype (seen above) has since been repainted in yellow and equiped with a ramjet for GM demonstration and show purposes. Im sure you have all seen it.