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"To Celebrate the upcoming holidays, we here at First Fuel Injection are offering group purchase opportunities with discounted rates, so pass the word onto your local clubs and forums. Call for details. Limited time only, so don't delay."
Anyone else looking for one of these? I'm definitely interested in this if we can get a GP together.
Anyone else looking for one of these? I'm definitely interested in this if we can get a GP together.
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I am very interested also and was thinking about posting this very topic myself. There has to be at least five guys here that would like this setup for Christmas. I bet we could get it for 825 or so.
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yea definitely. I wouldn't mind getting myself an early xmas gift.. Now to drum up some more guys! We've all seen this thing make incredible numbers in some form or another.
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Any more details? what does it come with? what will i need? ect.. I looked at them but I thought they were in the 2500 range?
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"FIRST® manifold without electronics. Prices starting at $999.95
All intake manifolds without electronics include all required gaskets, all stainless steel hardware, TPS bracket, throttle bracket, and fuel rails.
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So they are ~$1000 with everything you need as long as you already have TPI. But the thing is these intakes are making great power and, I think, are really worth it. the $3000 ones are the ones with all the electronics. Stuff that might be nice, but not necessary.
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If your interested check out these threads:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...lp-runner.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/alte...n-runners.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...lp-runner.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/alte...n-runners.html
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Im interested in one. I've seen some pictures though, and at 1.75", the castings dont look too dimensionally accurate.
I need 1.78" ID to feed my 427 at 4000 RPM for its torque peak.
I would like to hear what first has to say about this. The 427 is a little too big to feed off of an accel base and runners, unless you are shooting for a 3200 RPM peak.
I would also like to know the cross sectional area of the cylinder head end of the intake manifold, as well as the runner length from the plenum to the head. Whatever that is, add 6" to it and you have your runner length.
The FIRST has enough meat in it to feed a 4000 RPM torque peak 454 sbc easy. Just gotta get the size right and on par with runner length.
I need 1.78" ID to feed my 427 at 4000 RPM for its torque peak.
I would like to hear what first has to say about this. The 427 is a little too big to feed off of an accel base and runners, unless you are shooting for a 3200 RPM peak.
I would also like to know the cross sectional area of the cylinder head end of the intake manifold, as well as the runner length from the plenum to the head. Whatever that is, add 6" to it and you have your runner length.
The FIRST has enough meat in it to feed a 4000 RPM torque peak 454 sbc easy. Just gotta get the size right and on par with runner length.
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Re: FIRST fuel injection intake GP
Im interested in one. I've seen some pictures though, and at 1.75", the castings dont look too dimensionally accurate.
I need 1.78" ID to feed my 427 at 4000 RPM for its torque peak.
I would like to hear what first has to say about this. The 427 is a little too big to feed off of an accel base and runners, unless you are shooting for a 3200 RPM peak.
I would also like to know the cross sectional area of the cylinder head end of the intake manifold, as well as the runner length from the plenum to the head. Whatever that is, add 6" to it and you have your runner length.
The FIRST has enough meat in it to feed a 4000 RPM torque peak 454 sbc easy. Just gotta get the size right and on par with runner length.
I need 1.78" ID to feed my 427 at 4000 RPM for its torque peak.
I would like to hear what first has to say about this. The 427 is a little too big to feed off of an accel base and runners, unless you are shooting for a 3200 RPM peak.
I would also like to know the cross sectional area of the cylinder head end of the intake manifold, as well as the runner length from the plenum to the head. Whatever that is, add 6" to it and you have your runner length.
The FIRST has enough meat in it to feed a 4000 RPM torque peak 454 sbc easy. Just gotta get the size right and on par with runner length.
I was going to say. I remember someone porting these runners heavily, and i believe they got them over 1.9" runner ID/OD, which is more than enough to feed almots any small block.
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Properly ported, they will feed any size small block I can come up with. Problem is most people port them so large they will only work higher up in the powerband, out of the optimal range of tuning for runner length.
Both the cross sectional area needs to be constant, runners smooth/turbulence free and match the runner length to take advantage of the tuning effect these manifolds were designed to deliver. Going to big ruins the effect and mismatches the runner length and cross section of the intake.
These are great on larger ci motors or people wanting to get a higher peak torque figure than 4000 RPM.
I sent in a writeup on properly porting a TPI intake for retaining the tuned effect. We'll see if it gets posted up.
FWIW, a 1.9" diameter is good enough to flow for peak torque at 4398 RPM on a 454ci sbc. Too high up to take advantage of the runner length, unless you have an even larger small block to lower the peak torque rpm. But you can only get them so big...
I want one! lol
Both the cross sectional area needs to be constant, runners smooth/turbulence free and match the runner length to take advantage of the tuning effect these manifolds were designed to deliver. Going to big ruins the effect and mismatches the runner length and cross section of the intake.
These are great on larger ci motors or people wanting to get a higher peak torque figure than 4000 RPM.
I sent in a writeup on properly porting a TPI intake for retaining the tuned effect. We'll see if it gets posted up.
FWIW, a 1.9" diameter is good enough to flow for peak torque at 4398 RPM on a 454ci sbc. Too high up to take advantage of the runner length, unless you have an even larger small block to lower the peak torque rpm. But you can only get them so big...
I want one! lol
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Im not sure how many the minimum purchase is but we'll see. A few more ppl i think
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If we can get prices posted, I bet more people would be interested. I know I wouldn't mind giving one of these a try if the price is right. The stock TPI is flatlining at 3700 right now with the heads / cam combo I'm running on the GTA.
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funny, the guys on the vette forum who want to start a GP are pointing this way and here folks are pointing their way.
I interested but I need all the electronics and FIRST says they won't tune it for my edelbrock RPM cam. Makes it tough to decide.
I interested but I need all the electronics and FIRST says they won't tune it for my edelbrock RPM cam. Makes it tough to decide.
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Just buy a tpi setup on ebay that comes with good electronics. You can find them for good deals nowadays. GM electronics will work great. Can't someone else tune your intake to your cam?
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If you dont have an account just link me to the board/thread you saw they were pointing here, and I'll make an account and try to make something happen if i have time.
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Here is the link to the thread. Go to the last page or so.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...first-tpi.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...first-tpi.html
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Here is the link to the thread. Go to the last page or so.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...first-tpi.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...first-tpi.html
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official pricing from ken:
"The price will depend on the number of guys that would purchase them. If you guys can come up with 6 or more we would get you the first tpi set up for $825 each. Otherwise we could go $900 for less than 6. If anyone has any questions, please have them contact us and we will do our best to answer them. We will be putting an end to our holiday offer Jan. 15th, however if we are contacted with a confirmation of purchase by then, we will extend the pricing past the 15th.
Thanks Ken"
"The price will depend on the number of guys that would purchase them. If you guys can come up with 6 or more we would get you the first tpi set up for $825 each. Otherwise we could go $900 for less than 6. If anyone has any questions, please have them contact us and we will do our best to answer them. We will be putting an end to our holiday offer Jan. 15th, however if we are contacted with a confirmation of purchase by then, we will extend the pricing past the 15th.
Thanks Ken"
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825 would be a GREAT deal for the baddest TPI system you can get. Base runners plenum and TB for that price? you cant beat it. It could cost you 1000 just for regular aftermarket stuff, not including the plenum and they dont flow near as much
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Did they say if the bolt pattern on that TB is compatible with the bolt pattern on an LS TB? I am not sure if I want to go oval or with a conventional LTx style throttlebody...
I dont want to have to cut off the front of the plenum if I can avoid it, but I need to use an LS style TB. If they arent compatible, would they be willing to sell an intake minus the TB?
I dont want to have to cut off the front of the plenum if I can avoid it, but I need to use an LS style TB. If they arent compatible, would they be willing to sell an intake minus the TB?
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Did they say if the bolt pattern on that TB is compatible with the bolt pattern on an LS TB? I am not sure if I want to go oval or with a conventional LTx style throttlebody...
I dont want to have to cut off the front of the plenum if I can avoid it, but I need to use an LS style TB. If they arent compatible, would they be willing to sell an intake minus the TB?
I dont want to have to cut off the front of the plenum if I can avoid it, but I need to use an LS style TB. If they arent compatible, would they be willing to sell an intake minus the TB?
second, go to http://firstfuelinjection.com/products.htm to check your specific needs. I was told any painting will not be discounted, but will be added in full to the discounted price, which makes sense to me.
lastly, anyone who is honestly interested please chime in so I can get a preliminary list going and see if we have +-6 people needed for the $825 price.
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I cant use it because the tune I will be using requires a fly by wire setup like the Vette and that uses a cable.
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Well this is a little weaker than I expected. Christmas is coming guys. What other intake can you get for 800 bucks that is ready to go with fuel rails and everything.
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I spoke with Ken the other day and even though I need the entire system I could be included as part of the six. I'm still debating my options as to tuning.
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So I count three so far:
1.tmichaud,
2.LM Skyliner,
3.Navion,
what about ml258-89iroc, FerrMaro or anyone from corvetteforum?
1.tmichaud,
2.LM Skyliner,
3.Navion,
what about ml258-89iroc, FerrMaro or anyone from corvetteforum?
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Okay so we are up to 4. We need at least two more. I'm getting pretty excited for this. I talked to Ken a few days ago and he was saying that all the new intakes have the port exits CNC'ed so that will be a nice match with my AFR heads.
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Navion I am glad that you said that I also have AFR heads. Did Ken mention how we go about making the final group purchase? (if we can find two more) Thanks
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I didn't discuss how it would actually happen. I would imagine that we would have everybody call and order and then once we had six he would charge us and ship them out. LM skyliner might have talked to him about this in more detail than I.
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this is something i am interested in.
do you know if it matters which base you buy to get in on this GP?
do you know if it matters which base you buy to get in on this GP?
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I am interested, depending on the particulars and that we get the 6+ price
i'll be getting mine painted too
i'll be getting mine painted too
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Are the FIRST TPI setups geared more towards torque or HP?
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and just remember painting is still full price!
that said, i want a black one