FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS
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Re: FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS
The led camaro taillights i saw were basically the stock housing with red, white, and yellow led grids that cleaned up the look.
fast92rs in this thread has a custom setup very similar to what was produced:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/grou...-klearz-7.html
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Just to let everyone know. Spaghetti Engineering is also prototyping replacement PCB LED bulbs. These should be done around the same time as the Sequential kits. We are looking into everything from dome lights to side markers. We will keep you posted with our progress.
Thanks,
Brian Santilli
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Thanks,
Brian Santilli
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Re: FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS
Just to let everyone know. Spaghetti Engineering is also prototyping replacement PCB LED bulbs. These should be done around the same time as the Sequential kits. We are looking into everything from dome lights to side markers. We will keep you posted with our progress.
Thanks,
Brian Santilli
Spaghetti Engineering Corp.
Thanks,
Brian Santilli
Spaghetti Engineering Corp.
All the ones I am looking to replace with LED's
Third Brake Light (Might just shave this off my car, but others may want)
Side Markers
Front Markers
Dome Light
Kick Panel Lights (AKA Courtesy, Floor Lights)
Hatch Panel Light
As for the side markers and front markers make sure they show no color when off. I am trying for all clear up front and now it is with chrome bulbs but would like LED's to replace them, but don't want to see color in the housings (its the reason I got chrome bulbs) for a stealth look.
Dome light should fit snug behind cover, not loose moving around.
I use this (below) in my 300zx and the spacers on front hit the dome light cover but keep it snug, very good idea here. But our lenses may be larger and deeper than my 300zx one, but you get my point. I like BRIGHT interiors.
http://www.superbrightleds.com/specs/universalPCB.htm
Kick panel lights should protrude from the plastic cover they sit in just a tad, to help light a wider area than the bulbs that sit in there which are up in the plastic cover and don't emit that wide of a light angle (I don't think) or they just are not bright enough.
Hatch light should be the same as the dome light I feel. Nice and snug in there.
Just some suggestions I'm sure they'll come out nice.
Last edited by I H8 WWD; 03-27-2009 at 10:03 AM. Reason: Added more suggestions
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Alright so i've remained quiet on this thread because i've had many dreams of LED tails, and could not have believed that someone would reach out to the third gen community, let alone 2 manufacturers and 2 different vendors.
I commend Larry, Scott w, Brian Santilli, and Mike for giving our slice of the enthusiasts automotive industry a serious nod. I don't know the exact numbers but why various manufacturers would ignore a series of vehicles that are fundamentally similar, and have numbers in the (don't quote me) millions.. is beyond me.
Its been far to long that our vehicles have been attributed to Mvllets, Wreadnekks, the 80's , and used as fodder for shows like fear factor and smallville (not to mention various action movies.. did anyone see the 2 thirdgens in the new Fast and Furious??) . My thanks to all of you for adding to the progression of our slice of life, rather than ignoring as so many others have.
Why wouldn't they take us seriously back in the days.. i'll never know.
- laughing at myself
I commend Larry, Scott w, Brian Santilli, and Mike for giving our slice of the enthusiasts automotive industry a serious nod. I don't know the exact numbers but why various manufacturers would ignore a series of vehicles that are fundamentally similar, and have numbers in the (don't quote me) millions.. is beyond me.
Its been far to long that our vehicles have been attributed to Mvllets, Wreadnekks, the 80's , and used as fodder for shows like fear factor and smallville (not to mention various action movies.. did anyone see the 2 thirdgens in the new Fast and Furious??) . My thanks to all of you for adding to the progression of our slice of life, rather than ignoring as so many others have.
Why wouldn't they take us seriously back in the days.. i'll never know.
- laughing at myself
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Re: FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS
Alright so i've remained quiet on this thread because i've had many dreams of LED tails, and could not have believed that someone would reach out to the third gen community, let alone 2 manufacturers and 2 different vendors.
I commend Larry, Scott w, Brian Santilli, and Mike for giving our slice of the enthusiasts automotive industry a serious nod. I don't know the exact numbers but why various manufacturers would ignore a series of vehicles that are fundamentally similar, and have numbers in the (don't quote me) millions.. is beyond me.
Its been far to long that our vehicles have been attributed to Mvllets, Wreadnekks, the 80's , and used as fodder for shows like fear factor and smallville (not to mention various action movies.. did anyone see the 2 thirdgens in the new Fast and Furious??) . My thanks to all of you for adding to the progression of our slice of life, rather than ignoring as so many others have.
Why wouldn't they take us seriously back in the days.. i'll never know.
- laughing at myself
I commend Larry, Scott w, Brian Santilli, and Mike for giving our slice of the enthusiasts automotive industry a serious nod. I don't know the exact numbers but why various manufacturers would ignore a series of vehicles that are fundamentally similar, and have numbers in the (don't quote me) millions.. is beyond me.
Its been far to long that our vehicles have been attributed to Mvllets, Wreadnekks, the 80's , and used as fodder for shows like fear factor and smallville (not to mention various action movies.. did anyone see the 2 thirdgens in the new Fast and Furious??) . My thanks to all of you for adding to the progression of our slice of life, rather than ignoring as so many others have.
Why wouldn't they take us seriously back in the days.. i'll never know.
- laughing at myself
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Re: FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS
Won't be long now! I just spoke to brian at spaghetti yesterday and he informed me that the boards for the camaro's are in and the wiring is on it's way.
I will let everyone here know first when they are completely ready to go.
Thanks for your Patience,
Scot W.
I will let everyone here know first when they are completely ready to go.
Thanks for your Patience,
Scot W.
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Thanks Scott,
Quick update for all who are waiting in angst. The PCB's are in and we are waiting on wiring (approx 10-12 days) then all that needs to be done is the production run and we will be ready to release. When they are released we will send a newsletter email to all who are signed up. Thanks
Quick update for all who are waiting in angst. The PCB's are in and we are waiting on wiring (approx 10-12 days) then all that needs to be done is the production run and we will be ready to release. When they are released we will send a newsletter email to all who are signed up. Thanks
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Yeah, know about that one but Brian mentioned he's switching to reverse LED and would be nice to see an actual comparison as it states now.
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$299.00 taillight kit, which includes four PCB boards per kit (two boards in each housing), two PCB boards with 90 amber LEDS on each and two boards with 99 red LEDs on each for a total of 378 LED's per kit. This kit also includes a PCB LED bulb for the corner light. This kit can also be an all red LED application.
$349.00 full kit: This includes all mentioned in the kit above but this also includes 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 PCB LED Reverse bulbs.
$349.00 full kit: This includes all mentioned in the kit above but this also includes 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 PCB LED Reverse bulbs.
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I am confused by the details of each kit tho.
So I understand for the 299.99 you get the 4 pcb board (2 per taillight housing) and then a (1) pcb LED bulb for the corner light. I assume this is a grammar error and you mean 2 of them (1 for each taillight).
However if that were true, the next description makes no sense
So everything is the same but you also get 2 electronic flashers AND 2 PCB LED REVERSE BULBS? There is what makes no sense. The main kit obviously comes with the reverse LED bulbs (shows on your website) for the reverse part of the tails. So should this not mean that the only difference between the two is for $50 you get the 2 electronic flashers as well. ("and 2 PCB LED Reverse bulbs" is a typo and should be removed for clarity)?
Thanks
$299.00 taillight kit, which includes four PCB boards per kit (two boards in each housing), two PCB boards with 90 amber LEDS on each and two boards with 99 red LEDs on each for a total of 378 LED's per kit. This kit also includes a PCB LED bulb for the corner light. This kit can also be an all red LED application.
However if that were true, the next description makes no sense
$349.00 full kit: This includes all mentioned in the kit above but this also includes 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 PCB LED Reverse bulbs.
Thanks
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**Update The Unit Arrived**
The LED Sequential Tail Light unit has arrived and I will show the unboxing photos when I get the chance
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Alright kitt... stop playing with it and show everyone. We need to see b4 and after , build quality , OEM vs original , and then you can put em on... You owe this to us... it is your destniy....
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this is a bonus
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no the radio is my own, I just put it out there as a joke and it was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
My 1978 Sanyo M9930 gets better reception than any modern radio and you can't beat the almighty cassette
Did you like the led tail ights?
My 1978 Sanyo M9930 gets better reception than any modern radio and you can't beat the almighty cassette
Did you like the led tail ights?
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I think its going to look awesome. Honestly, I would start another thread about what the looked like, fitment , before and after. Just the idea that firebird LED's would materialize is exciting as a whole and unknown to so many bird owners. Document everything!
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thanks for the compliment and sure thing Doc
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Re: FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS
I am confused by the details of each kit tho.
So I understand for the 299.99 you get the 4 pcb board (2 per taillight housing) and then a (1) pcb LED bulb for the corner light. I assume this is a grammar error and you mean 2 of them (1 for each taillight).
However if that were true, the next description makes no sense
So everything is the same but you also get 2 electronic flashers AND 2 PCB LED REVERSE BULBS? There is what makes no sense. The main kit obviously comes with the reverse LED bulbs (shows on your website) for the reverse part of the tails. So should this not mean that the only difference between the two is for $50 you get the 2 electronic flashers as well. ("and 2 PCB LED Reverse bulbs" is a typo and should be removed for clarity)?
Thanks
So I understand for the 299.99 you get the 4 pcb board (2 per taillight housing) and then a (1) pcb LED bulb for the corner light. I assume this is a grammar error and you mean 2 of them (1 for each taillight).
However if that were true, the next description makes no sense
So everything is the same but you also get 2 electronic flashers AND 2 PCB LED REVERSE BULBS? There is what makes no sense. The main kit obviously comes with the reverse LED bulbs (shows on your website) for the reverse part of the tails. So should this not mean that the only difference between the two is for $50 you get the 2 electronic flashers as well. ("and 2 PCB LED Reverse bulbs" is a typo and should be removed for clarity)?
Thanks
They are wiring the kits now and finishing up on the final testing and will be ready VERY SOON.
Spaghetti is also doing kit for the firebirds!
Scot W.
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I will not have to cut my tail light housing to make them fit and led flashers Larry said
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UPDATE!!! The release of the 1986-92 IROC/Z28 Camaro's are about 2 weeks away. I will be sending an email out to all who are subscribed to our newsletter as soon as the release dates is set. Please sign up if you haven't. www.spaghettiengineering.com
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Yeah I have to admit I am pretty disappointed in the people here.. Seems like no one cares to share what we have ALL be waiting for patiently for over 1 1/2 years now. And then people finally get it and no one really wants to care to show us and leaves us all in suspense!
Perhaps I'm different but if I were to have it, the MOMENT it arrived I would be snapping pictures left and right (and center, figure of speech ) and uploading them for all to see within 1 day (most likely the SAME DAY.. I would be so excited about them to WANT to show everyone who has been suffering for so long to see these in action...
Guess i'm different...
Perhaps I'm different but if I were to have it, the MOMENT it arrived I would be snapping pictures left and right (and center, figure of speech ) and uploading them for all to see within 1 day (most likely the SAME DAY.. I would be so excited about them to WANT to show everyone who has been suffering for so long to see these in action...
Guess i'm different...
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Yeah I have to admit I am pretty disappointed in the people here.. Seems like no one cares to share what we have ALL be waiting for patiently for over 1 1/2 years now. And then people finally get it and no one really wants to care to show us and leaves us all in suspense!
Perhaps I'm different but if I were to have it, the MOMENT it arrived I would be snapping pictures left and right (and center, figure of speech ) and uploading them for all to see within 1 day (most likely the SAME DAY.. I would be so excited about them to WANT to show everyone who has been suffering for so long to see these in action...
Guess i'm different...
Perhaps I'm different but if I were to have it, the MOMENT it arrived I would be snapping pictures left and right (and center, figure of speech ) and uploading them for all to see within 1 day (most likely the SAME DAY.. I would be so excited about them to WANT to show everyone who has been suffering for so long to see these in action...
Guess i'm different...
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Sadly I am not God and I am only human
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Spaghetti, will you be releasing any interior LED's WITH the release of the tail light kit? Hatch bulb, kick panel bulbs and such?
I wouldn't mind a video of them outside the housings, such as how you had them layed out, plus that video was already posted in this thread.
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Spaghetti, will you be releasing any interior LED's WITH the release of the tail light kit? Hatch bulb, kick panel bulbs and such?
I wouldn't mind a video of them outside the housings, such as how you had them layed out, plus that video was already posted in this thread.
I wouldn't mind a video of them outside the housings, such as how you had them layed out, plus that video was already posted in this thread.
I have not had the time and the weather to install anything. As what I said before I am not god, I am only human.
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FULL L.E.D. DIGITAL TAILS ** Update**
** Update**
Here are the reverse LEDs from ClassicLEDs:
Here are the reverse LEDs from ClassicLEDs:
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Spaghetti Engineering is pleased to announce that we are now taking orders of DIGI-TAILS for 1986-92 Camaro IROC/Z28!! The final production run is finished and we are ready to take your order. All members will receive a 5% discount. Please mention ThirdGen09 when calling. Please contact us at 1.888.867.9309 to order, or they can be ordered through GNS Performance, MuscleRodz, or any of our distributors. Updated pictures and videos are coming soon. We also now carry 211 LED Dome Light Bulbs, T10/194 Side Marker Bulbs, and 1156 LED Reverse Bulbs.
Price is as follows:
PN 1100186 Digi-Tails Taillight Kit 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28(which includes side marker bulbs.) - $299.00
PN 4100186 Digi-Tails Taillight 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28 FULL Kit (which includes side marker bulbs, 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 LED Reverse Bulbs - $349.00
PN 200005 1156 LED Reverse Bulb - $25.00 ea.
PN 200007 T10/194 LED Side Marker Bulb - $9.00 ea.
PN 200008 211 LED Dome Light Bulb - $15.00 ea.
Price is as follows:
PN 1100186 Digi-Tails Taillight Kit 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28(which includes side marker bulbs.) - $299.00
PN 4100186 Digi-Tails Taillight 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28 FULL Kit (which includes side marker bulbs, 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 LED Reverse Bulbs - $349.00
PN 200005 1156 LED Reverse Bulb - $25.00 ea.
PN 200007 T10/194 LED Side Marker Bulb - $9.00 ea.
PN 200008 211 LED Dome Light Bulb - $15.00 ea.
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Spaghetti Engineering is pleased to announce that we are now taking orders of DIGI-TAILS for 1986-92 Camaro IROC/Z28!! The final production run is finished and we are ready to take your order. All members will receive a 5% discount. Please mention ThirdGen09 when calling. Please contact us at 1.888.867.9309 to order, or they can be ordered through GNS Performance, MuscleRodz, or any of our distributors. Updated pictures and videos are coming soon. We also now carry 211 LED Dome Light Bulbs, T10/194 Side Marker Bulbs, and 1156 LED Reverse Bulbs.
Price is as follows:
PN 1100186 Digi-Tails Taillight Kit 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28(which includes side marker bulbs.) - $299.00
PN 4100186 Digi-Tails Taillight 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28 FULL Kit (which includes side marker bulbs, 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 LED Reverse Bulbs - $349.00
PN 200005 1156 LED Reverse Bulb - $25.00 ea.
PN 200007 T10/194 LED Side Marker Bulb - $9.00 ea.
PN 200008 211 LED Dome Light Bulb - $15.00 ea.
Price is as follows:
PN 1100186 Digi-Tails Taillight Kit 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28(which includes side marker bulbs.) - $299.00
PN 4100186 Digi-Tails Taillight 86-92 Camaro IROC/Z28 FULL Kit (which includes side marker bulbs, 2 Electronic Flashers and 2 LED Reverse Bulbs - $349.00
PN 200005 1156 LED Reverse Bulb - $25.00 ea.
PN 200007 T10/194 LED Side Marker Bulb - $9.00 ea.
PN 200008 211 LED Dome Light Bulb - $15.00 ea.
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A search on good seems to indicate there is no "GNS Performance" and they don't seem to have any mention of these kits on the MuscleRodz; just the reverse LED bulb which is from your site.
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I know the links were listed on the last page by spaghetti but we can be reached at www.GNSperformance.com
If you have any further questions please feel free to ask, I will be glad to help out with anything I can.
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