Agreed. I think TPIS already pays the bills well enough if they can turn down a dozen/two guaranteed sales. No sweat off of us though since regular vendors already have a good price (Jegs).

I just can't wait for the runners to arrive. THAT was a great deal. Nice folks at FastToys to boot.

K

 

I think jegs or summit may discount us a bit. They have a rep to up hold, but on the other hand they sell alot of stuff and could careless. Where between a rock and a hard place. I guess all we can do is contact all who sell the bases and see what happens. Im not to impressed w/ TPiS to this point. This blows!

 

guess ill just have to port the hell out of a extra intake

 

I just emailed summit to see if we could get a discount for the edelbrock base.

 

I got a reply from Summit. They asked what part we were looking at?, how many we needed? They also said that ONE person person would have to place the order. That doesnt sound to promising. Ill try and call them if I can. At least they show some interest in it.

 

Really? That they did this much shows some promise. I think that if we can get a large enough number they might jump. Thanks for checking them out.

K

 

Does sombody want to contact Jegs and see if they are interested in starting a G.P on their Accel/Lingenfelter base??

They're already the cheapest place I'v found ($386) for the SuperRam base (Everywhere else is $500)

I can't seem to find an email address for them and since I live up here in Canada, i don't want to have to pay long distance charges to phone them up.

If somebody closer wants to call them and see, that would be great.

Let us know...

 

To be able to tell summit what we need Id need to know exactly how many people are definite. I have another place I can check into for the Edelbrock base. The thing w/ them is they only sell it w/ the runners. Id have to see if we could get it w/o the runners. I know they do GPs since it say in the catalog. Ill see what I can do.

 

Summit seems like to much of a hassel since only one person would have to place the order. I emailed another place just a few minutes ago. Ill post up when I hear back. Anyone else have any kind of luck?

 

3860 is the Edelbrock part number for base only...I just got one off of Ebay brand new...

Edelbrock High-Flo TPI Base Plates: EDL-3860 - summitracing.com

 

If they make a deal without runners (since I snagged some AS&Ms thanks to TGO) I'd be in. The only catch is it'd have to be in a couple of weeks. Gotta pay for the roof over our heads first

K

 

I got a reply. They said that they receive the base from edelbrock w/ the runners and can not sell the base w/o the runners. This is starting to look like a dead GP.

 

anyone try edelbrock

 

Fast Toys isn't out of the picture right? They agreed that they would do another GP with us didn't they?

 

Yes they said they would do another GP with us but, They don't sell a mainfold for our cars. I wonder if they want to add a new product to there line up?

 

i e-mailed them asking just that, but i havent heard anything back yet.

 

Hell maybe a GP from us for it will convince them to add it. Im sure they get a good amount of sales from this site. The last GP went far beyond anything they expected.

 

I sent an email to FastToy's a few days ago asking them if they had any plans on one day carring an after-market TPI base to go along with the runners they sell. After all, if you're going to be selling runners, why not carry an TPI intake while they're at it, right?

I said to them, since the AS&M runner G.P. went so well, that all of us would really like to throw more business their way and asked if there was any chance they could possible work out a deal with either Accel or TPIS (or Edelbrock) to order some TPI base's just for us, even if they don't decide to stock them at FastToy's with the other products they normally carry.

I'll let you guy's know what they tell me when they contact me back.

Stay tuned....

 

Well gentlemen, it looks like we won't be able to get a group purchase on an aftermarket TPI intake from FastToys.

Here's a copy of the two emails they sent me. I give credit to FastToy's again, they actually took the time to look into ordering either a TPIS or Lingenfelter base just for us but couldn't make it happen. TPIS basically weren't too interested in giving us any kind of a good deal (not surprising, what a bunch of jerks, they wouldn't even answer any of the emails I sent them ) and the Accel/Lingenfelter is no longer in production it seems.

I think these emails speak for themselves.

One other thing, notice how not only did FastToy's do all the work for us in contacting all these companies, but even when they couldn't get us a discount with them, they gave us the name and price of a TPI intake (Accel) from one of their competitors (Jegs) and reccomended we go there. How many companies would do that?

Thanks again FastToys.



"......Hi Phil,

Thanks for checking with us again. We are always happy to help with sales and GP's. We did some checking and none of the manufacturers seem to want to move on the pricing of the bases, even for a volume purchase. We spoke with the owner at TPIS and he sounded like at best there might be a 30.00 discount if he got at least 15 orders but that's not enough because it would barely cover the credit card fees. He didn't seem too keen on doing any better either.

We checked with our Edelbrock and Accel suppliers and none could do better than Jegs retails pricing of 386.99. Jeg's themselves would not offer a volume discount.

We are going to check a couple of other options and will email you back with results.

Thanks again.

Fast Toys Performance ..... "


".....Phil,

We just got off the phone with Lingenfelter. They said they sold the rights to Accell and are under the impression the base is not even available. Nobody we spoke to could offer any better pricing on the Edelbrock units. With that being said, it looks like your best bet would be if Jegs still have the Accel units in stock to ****** them up at the 386.00 cost. Jegs will not discount them further.

AS&M said they can port anyone base and plenum to match their runners if people send them in. They claim that the power would be the same as the aftermarket version. The cost is about 350.00 for that option to cover the labour.

Sorry but it looks like we will not be able to help you on this one. If there is anything else you guys/gals need, just let us know.

Fast Toys Performance ..."




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Anyways,

I for one, am probably going to buy the Accel/Lingenfelter piece at Jegs while they still have them in stock. Once they're sold out, they aint making any more of 'em.....

 

Just go to show you how great Fast Toys is. I would defiently go to them first for any of my mod needs. What more could you ask for a company that will do research for you and provides good customer service. Thats how you run a company.

Looks like Jegs it will be. I just spend money purchasing a full exhaust: 2055s, HiFlo CAT, Hooker CAT back. Looks like getting the base will have to be now. Sucks they might not be making them anymore. $386 is not a bad price really.

Well post up when you guys decide what you'll do...

 

Say Phil, when you planning on buying this base? I'll be in for it when you do, but I hope it won't be for at least a month. Have a few things on the car I still have to install.

 

Maybe I'm the only one that noticed this, but this morning on Jegs website, the Accel/Lingenfelter base (part no. 310-74197) was $385. I just checked their sight 5 minutes ago, and the price has gone up to $417.

The price went up $32 in one day. Strange thing is, the origional price of $385 wasn't even a sale price. That was Jeg's every-day retail price for the base, so why the price jump??

Oh well, it's still cheaper than the $540 it sells for on Lingenfelter's on-line store

I just thought it was pretty strange Jeg's price went up since this morning....

 

Yeah, and it's $440 at Summit. Son of a...

 

Son of a .... is right! Damn inflation. Will the aftermarket base's match the AS&M runners or will there be some porting to match them?

 

TTT

 

I just ordered my SuperRam base from Best Buy Performance in Calgary. I'm getting it for $433.11 Cdn.

 

Actually, you probably ordered a new "Edelbrock" base from Best Buy Performance in Calgary.....

Let us know if you run into the same scenario I did....

Check out> https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...ing-accel.html

 

Hey LT1FUN. Thanks for posting the link. I had no idea that Accel was doing this. I probably will end up getting an Edlebrock base in a Accel box, unfortunately.

 

Well guys I just returned the acell base I bought from jegs it was the worst piece of junk I ever seen. Paid 385$ for it and believe me you don't want an acell base.

 

Was it a real Accel or an Edelbrock in Accel packiging?

 

It was a real accel believe me it was really bad. I had also ordered an Edlebrock the quality was better but still not as good as thier carburated manifolds I would still have to do a lot of porting to make them work right so I sent that one back also .Hate to say it but TPIS ported base seems the best way to go but exspensive at 500$.

 

You do realize TPIS's base is also an Edelbrock don't you? Only difference is, they do some port work on it. I'm currently porting out my Edelbrock in my spare time and even though I've never done any port work before, it's actually pretty fun. Time consuming. But fun. Best of all, when all is said and done, I'll get the satisfaction of knowing the work was done by ME. It's been a great learning experience and I'm really anctious to see just how well the car performs. I guarantee you, with the amount of time I've put in to it, it'll easily outflow anything TPIS puts out and I didn't have to pay the additional fee TPIS charges.

This is the route I'd advise most people to take when upgrading their intake base. By an Edelbrock base and port it at home.

 

Good point. I scored a barely used unit for $250 to my door and it'll go under the Dremel/1/4" grinder soon enough. Which reminds me: I'm off the list for this GP as of that remark. I knew I had forgotten something

 

I know the TPIS base is edlebrock made and I did port my plenum to match the AS&M runners but as you said I didn't know if I wanted to take the time to port the TPIS base.Very time consuming to do it right.But some people on the forum may not have the tools to do the port work.Thats the only reason I suggested TPIS

 

i would say that the TPIS base is much better than the edlebrock. if you look back to the tpi shootout in the superrod mag. the TPIS setup made 20 more peak Hp and much better average hp. even the ported stock base with the tpis runners did better than them out of the box.

even if you port the edlebrock base, it will be tough to get 20 more hp. if all your after is a few HP your better of extrude honing your stock base than spending that much money on the edlebrock base and then porting it. i doubt you could port a TPIS base and get any more hp out of it. i would say that TPIS prob. extrude hones the edlebrock base to get those numbers.

just my two cents.

 

When I emailed TPIS,
I asked them about the extra porting on the "Big Mouth"
as compared to the Edelbrock base.

This was they're reply:

"The Edelbrock Manifold is similar to ours as well as the Accel, but wouldn't call it "identical". They all perform about the same. Our manifold is $425 and comes with Fel-Pro intake manifold gaskets. I'm not sure what "porting" you're speaking of except the normal machining on each port inlet and outlet. We have them in stock as well as our large tube runners."

They told me the TPIS base was $425 + shipping of $15
total = $440

Summit online prices:
Unless the edelbrock base comes with a fel-pro gasket.
It list the gasket online as a suggested part to purchase.

Edelbrock base price..... edl-3861 $385.95 (edl-3860 also $385.95)
+ fel-pro intake gaskets fpp-1256 $ 15.95
+ handling charge $ 10.95
total = $412.85

$27 difference

It's too bad TPIS wouldn't discount at least $27

 

Anyone seen this ebay sale from Car Works etc.?
Not sure if this Accell high flow intake for
1985-91 Corvette's is the same one we need.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting

I asked about fitment on 350 TPI Camaros.
It is selling for $429.99 but has a "Best Offer" option.
I asked them if it fits our Camaros would they
sell them to us for $350 + shipping.

Add say they've got 99 for sale.

What do you think???

 

I thought I wanted an Accel base to go with my Accel runners, but I can't get any person to talk to me there, return a phone call or email... so the runners are up on Ebay...

I'm going with a Big Mouth TPIS... but check this out...
I was on summit doing a search for edelbrock tpi, and at the top is the 3860, but at the bottom is an edelbrock "big mouth" tpi #3859...
summit had no details, I called edelbrock - "we are under contract to not give details about it, call TPIS"...

So is this it, does edelbrock enlarge / port it, or send it to TPIS for that... It is made by edelbrock, but it has tpis name and their design...??

Raf

 

Yes, Edelbrock supplies TPIS with their TPI base, just as they do to GMPP and Accel/Lingenfelter.

At one point in time, TPIS and Accel/Lingenfelter both had their own design and built them inhouse. Unfortunately, as time went on, and the TPI market got smaller and smaller (read: less profitable) they stopped production. Rather than get out of the TPI business all together, they decided it would be more cost-efficient to just have someone else (Edelbrock) supply them with an intake base. This is how those companies make their profit. They get all their intakes from Edelbrock at x amount of dollars, raise the price, and sell it for x amount of profit.

I found this out the hard way when I ordered (what I thought) was a Lingenfelter intake base only to find out is was actually an Edelbrock piece.

click link below:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...ing-accel.html

I bought it during a sale which brought the price down to what Edelbrock normally sells their base for, so I thought I'd lucked out. "A Lingenfelter intake for the cost of an Edelbrock!" (or so I thought)


Well. Not quite.

I lucked out all right, but not in the way I originally thought. I lucked out in the sense that I didn't actually get screwed over by paying full price ($420 - $500+) Accel/Lingenfelter normally charges.

I lucked out because I got an "Edelbrock" base at "Edelbrock's" regular price...... (Rather than paying Lingenfelters high price for an Edelbrock base, understand? )
I didn't really save any money when you think about it. I could have just bought the intake directly from Edelbrock and got the exact same thing.

In a nut shell, don't waste your money on a Lingenfelter base because in reality, it's made by Edelbrock (just with a bigger price-tag). Just buy an Edelbrock to begin with, or you'll just be spending more money just to have an "Accel/Lingenfelter" sticker on the outside of the shipping box.

As far as TPIS, they too sell the Edelbrock base, though I don't know if they even bother to remove the "Edelbrock" logo from the intake itself, or they're too lazy to remove it and just leave it on like Lingenfelter does.

For a while their, I'd been under the impression that TPIS did some port work of their own, (which justified the increase in cost over what Edelbrock charges) but recently (someone on this very forum actually) emailed TPIS asking about their port-work, and TPIS was apparently completely unaware of what port work the person was asking about. This leads me to believe that TPIS is no different then Accel/Lingenfelter in that all they do is re-box an Edelbrock intake and ship it out at a higher cost and make no effort in distinguishing themselves from other "versions" of the base (ie. by porting out the intake or adding their own logo to it etc. etc.


That's the dirty little secret Accel/Lingenfelter and TPIS doesn't want you to know about.
All these guy's do is re-box an Edelbrock unit, slap on their sticker on the outside of the box, and raise the price. That's why they won't come out and tell you over the phone or through an email response. If they admitted all they do is re-package an Edelbrock base, who would be dumb enough to pay the extra cost when they could save their money and buy from Edelbrock????


What these guy's are doing really bothers me.

Just the thought of an average hard-working Joe going out and spending his hard-earned money on their so-called "Lingenfelter or "TPIS" base, only to receive an Edelbrock base inside the box. and realizing afterwards he was just ripped-off 'cause they could have just saved some money and bought an "Edelbrock base instead, that really disgusts me.

At least they would have received an Edelbrock catalogue and some stickers with their order if they got it from Edelbrock.....

In the end, the Edelbrock really is a nice piece. A night and day difference over the stocker and has much more potential as-well, should you decide to port it.


My advice?

Buy an Edelbrock base, port it out your self. That's what I'm doing and it's coming along quite nicely.

follow link below:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...brock-tpi.html

 

but if you dont have the experiance with porting, you could go with extrude honing you stock base. it's about the amount. and you'd pro see the same performance. (vs out of the box)

 

Just got off the phone with TPIS.... I neglected to ask about the LTR's, but for the base... eldelbrock does cast the TPIS base, but it's their mold / design, different from edelbrock's... The TPIS guy on the phone even said, "you would be hard pressed to find any difference between any of the aftermarket bases..."

I'm visually impaired, don't even have a driver's license... I have done quite a bit to my car, suspension wise and performance mods... I don't want to try and port anything, I'd rather pay someone... they do their plenum porting via CNC too... so I may spend a little more than the "do it youself'rs" but still end up with a top notch product... Again, each time I've called, they answer their phone and my questions... Accel, nope, ASM, nope... no returned phone or emails...

Rafael

 

Unless you have a flow bench and experience porting, you will in all likelyhood reduce the power of your engine attempting to port the base. Just making the ports bigger can create turbulence and air flow velocity inconsistencies making your $400 base make power like a $50 stocker.

 

anyone hear from the ebay guy about pricing?

 

The Seller was not responsive to my E-mails.
I tried to put in a couple of low ball bids.
$250 & $275 just to see if I could get a response.

I then e-mailed a guy who made an offer
2/21/07 and was also let to expire.

He said he offered $340,
but the seller was wanting
more than that.

So is anyone else wanting to give it a try ??
You'll have to start @ $350 & go higher.

Post back with your final price bid & whether you
received any response from the seller.

If I decide to continue I can always do like wise.

TPIS & Summit might still have the best prices.

 

Attention: All previously interested buyers.

We are trying another attempt at a tpi intake manifold GP

This time with John Robie @ robiecustoms.com

Have you already got one or would
you still be interested in trying
for a TPIS Big Mouth intake manifold.
Normally $425 + shipping
We are hoping for enough guys
to get $350 + shipping.

Post up on the new thread if still interested.

Thanks

 

depending on when id be game for it.

 

I just oredered an intake and runners and plenum all gasket matched, so you can take me off the list. Good luck though. Very good idea