88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

does anyone have the specs and drawing of this? I would like to make my own since the going rate from different companies is over 200.00 for a bar and two brackets

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iTrader: (15)

nobody who has specs would give them out, and once you figuyre labor, fab time and powdercoating, 200 is not really that bad.

Aside from that, if you have the tools, its really not to hard to layout and build. just connect the dots under the car so to speak.

is this purely for exhaust clearance? you can get a 4" pipe over the stock upper panhard somehow, without affect the rear suspension geometry

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

why would it be any worse than the specs for the lca relocation brackets? those plans are avail. 200.00 is A LOT when you figure the time and materials there is more in the LCAs and the pan-hard bar itself but those are cheaper.

no i wont powder coat it. no need just would like the offset so im not really guessing. if I had to guess I would say it drops the hole 1 to 1.5" and is at a 45 deg. angle away from its original location. just would like to know

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iTrader: (15)

i could measure the drop on my car, but im pretty sure its more like 1.5 or 2" of drop. the bar has 3 bends, not a clean offset, since it have to clear the fuel tank on the driverside. The bends and the mounting plate require a lot more effort and work than a set of control arms or a panhard. those are just straight pieces.

and since this work lowers the rear roll center, you need to adjust your springs/sway bars and possibly shock valving when you do this.

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

if you could measure the brackets that would help a lot! Im not too worried about the bar. I can fab the rest up with out a problem. as for the rates and such needing adjusting I thought the point .... as one of the vendors was saying on ls1tech is your fine on a stock ride height car because the panhard bar is still level with the rear housing and its more to keep the rear centered



anyway any help you can give on the bolt location would be great

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iTrader: (15)

on a stock height car, with all stock parts, the panhard is pretty much level. so, you then lower the passenger side mount 2" and somehow it stays level? that makes no sense.

whether the bar is level or not makes no difference with what im talking about, the roll center changes when you lower or raise the mounting points of the panhard, so you have to make other adjustments. The center of the panhard is the location of the roll center/height for the rear of the car, it does more than just keep the rear centered. If a vendor is telling you otherwise, thats concerning.

for that matter, if you dont lower the driverside/axle side mount too, the two bars will most likely hit each other since the panhard will not be level, and will angle down significantly to the passenger side. I ran into this problem on my car after installing the relo panhard brace, i ended up installing the jegster relo bracket for the axle side to correct this and re-level the panhard bar.

Dean/vetruck can probably explain this in better detail than i can.

I'll see if i can get a real measurement of the drop this afternoon.

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

WOW! dude honestly forget it then... I just wanted to get the specs so it wasnt a guessing game...

its what they posted on LS1 tech I figured if they make the kit and say it is level on a stock ride height car then I would say it is. in a bone stock car yeah I could see it not being level allowing the kit to move it to the completely level position. so yes makes perfect sense no need for an attitude. besides my rear should be sitting slightly higher than stock as it is given the s60 has larger axle tubes.

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iTrader: (15)

if my post came across as me having a 'tude, i do apologize, i didnt mean so. sorry if i came off that way, it was unintentional. more of thinking out loud and providing some additional info/insight on the topic.

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iTrader: (15)

the panhard bar is lowered 2.375 by the brace on my car, which is UMI's.

I cant really get any meaningful measurements for the offsets, since i cant really get under the car at hte moment, and without a stock fuel tank, i have nothing to measure from that you can relate to your car.

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iTrader: (2)

you guys could be discussing 2 different things, a body mount relocation that will give you more room for exhaust, and an axle mount relocation which fixes geometry when you lower the car. I'm not sure which you want, but sounds like the answer you got is for the body side, which uses a bent brace to make more room for the exhaust to go over it on the passenger side and more room to run an exhaust under it on the driver's side. Like has already been mentioned, you can fit a lot of exhaust in there without doing anything to it, and I would strongly argue that unless you're relocating both sides to make the bar level in most cases you're going the wrong way...

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

thanks, I agree that I wont be dropping the bar that far. it does look to be a big drop! I will have to lower my car back on the ground and see how level it really is since it should be higher than stock right now (I never did the heater hose mod with my axle swap)

I want to run two uncrushed 3" pipes over the axle since I already have the stainless. and im thinking I can make the bent bar with out much of an issue.


also say for the sake of argument I decided to go that far down. would making a matching drop on the drivers side mount truly correct this? the bar would be lower than the axle center but like already noted would be level or slightly on a positive angle

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iTrader: (2)

lower would be a bennificial for handling,and have no affect for drag racing...

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iTrader: (15)

yes, you should make a matching drop for the driverside. Also like i mentioned before, after you lower the passengerside, the panhard will be at a rather aggressive angle up toward the driverside, and the two bars may hit each other, which is bad

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

humm I might sit on this and decide how I want to move stuff around

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

nice.. not too many times you can have the best of all three (handling, traction and room)

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No no no.

You are dropping your rear roll center so far down the car will be so tight and the steering wheel so heavy the car will just want to go stright when you turn the wheel under power.

Do NOT drop the chassis side of the panhard mount. If you drop any side, it should be ONLY the axle side about 1 1/2" maximum.

Of course it sounds to me you won't bother listening to my warnings and will learn the hard way. Just make sure you do not weld things pemenatly so you can remove them and put it back to stock.

Just because LS1tech and UMI type some crap on some advertizement DOES NOT mean they know what they are talking about. Don't always bindly put faith in metal fabricators knowing suspension dynamics, they mostly have no clue what they make. Don;t trust me either? check my credentials- you will easily find out you can respect what I tell you as fact.

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iTrader: (2)

hehe... nice Dean...

Again, I don't really know why people bother lowering the passenger side, it's not like you need to for clearance and for the most part getting it level by lowering the axle side is the best you're going to get out of it for most applications (not exactly how my last post read but it is how it was intended).

Actually, Dean, you just gave me an idea, but I'll email you instead of polluting this thread...

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

honestly had you bothered to write something worth while instead of instantly bashing and trying to discredit me i would have put more into your post. but honestly i can tell your just an idiot go away


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRTLdyzfxs .. poor guy cant control it with the kit on his

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

glad to see you would prefer swinging from deans nuts but please keep threads on track


it was a question and that is all. then you think you know all there is guess no one should learn and ask because you guys know everything. if everyone was like you two this would be one boring world

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iTrader: (4)

Heres a mockup I did before welding the real deal in palce. It clears my 4" exhaust.

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

Thanks! this is what the thread is about hows it handle?

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iTrader: (15)

you made a panhard bracket out or carboard? that will never hold

something looks wrong too, thats WAAAAAY more drop than needed with the upper panhard relocation. Your suspension is hanging? is should be loaded at ride height if it isnt.