TheREVOLUTION22

is there anybody with a VIP styled third gen?
as in lowered to the ground with wide low offset wheels and stretched tires?
im interested to see some pictures if anybody has any. this is going to be my next project.

J91

I hope not!

1MeanZ

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PLEASE explain to me how stretching tires IMPROVES handling. This seems like a fad to me and I don't see how running a narrower tire helps anything. I'd absolutely love to hear your explanation on how this works.

P.S. by stretching tires, I mean running a tire that is narrower than the rim by a large margin, like a 225mm tire on a 9.5" rim.

Red87SC

i say leave VIP status to Lexus GS and LS models.

TheREVOLUTION22

i not an expert on this ****. im just getting into it. i like the look. and thats where i want to go with mine.
nobody knows of any?

V6F1R3BRD

I said the same thing. It looks stupid for one.. BUT, it seems to be an importlover thing. I guess they assume if its stretched the tire can't flex, therefore staying gripped to the pavement... But I'm pretty sure a tire NEEDS to flex.

I can appreciate the flush and lowered look tho..

TheLegedaryErin

It wouldn't be my cup of tea but if that is where you want to go go for it. but isn't the othe part of the VIP style having way to much camber on the wheels? if so the soild axle in the rear would be a real hold up

BlueZee28

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I saw a horrific looking 3rd gen Camaro on craigslist a few months back. Someone had taken a grill from a Rolls Royce and hacked up the front of the Camaro to make it fit... seems like this would be something right up your alley.




/sarcasm

Stephen

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You might be better off with an import than a 3rd gen, if your into those kind of things.

Around here, your likely to get your car laughed at. Some TGO members can't be very quiet. They will post what is on their minds!

1MeanZ

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No, because it's a stupid fad. It does nothing but hurt performance and look silly. Why do you like the "stretched" look over a thirdgen with the correct stance? Here are some examples of the correct stance. Do you really like the stretched look better than this?

el_muerte

If he means a really low profile tire, it's supposed to be slightly better for cornering (less sidewall roll) but are terrible for launches as they break free and spin with hardly any effort. I guess that's why the imports have 'em, they can't launch anyway...

Also the ride quality is a lot worse, you could drive over a penny on the road and feel it.

[EDIT]What's VIP mean anyway? And don't tell me "very important person" because a person's importance has nothing to do with how low their car rides...

RS Chris

Very Inexperienced Posers. Just guessing.

If you havent found any info on this for third gens there is probably a reason for it. Its lame and has no place on cars. You might as well have asked about 30"rims or neon undercarriage lights.

Blind Driver

That is correct...nobody on this board knows.

TheREVOLUTION22

well since one of you saidto get an import. i guess i can let you all know that i have a scion tc too. with low pro tires and yes they do spin like no other.and that blue camaro is one of the nicest ive seen but it needs more low. esecially in the front. it sits a little bit raised just like mine.

Vip styling originated from Japanese luxury cars that were modified to sit lower and look more fashionable. When you stretch the tires and lower it to the limit. Youre left with the rim flush to the fender and the tires are tucked away.

And as far as the ridiculous camber goes. Im not really into it that much but I want a little bit. Nothing like these…

TheREVOLUTION22

Well I guess the blue one is sitting uphill. That could be the reason. But mine is raised in the front.

88fastgta

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i think those cars with the tires look sillly..... ive seen people rice out v6 mustangs but ive never seen a riced out thirdgen.... the majority of people i see with thirdgens tends to muscle them out with cowl hoods, crate engines, lower bodies and nice sounding exhuast... dont ruin the name of thirdgens by putting silly wings and taillights along with silly looking rims and stickers...

Stephen

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I'd hafta disagree with you on the neon part. Not only does it look good when done right (hidden tubes) but you will find many cars here on TGO, with them.

My problem with the off-the-shelf kits is, that the 4' side tubes are too short to fit our cars correctly. If I put some on mine, I'll have my own side tubes custom made to fit.

Blind Driver

I'd would rather build my own LED kit

TheREVOLUTION22

this is how my car looks at the moment. its staying like this. but im repainting it red.
im not putting "silly wings and taillights" on it. lol.
im keeping it simple and looking stock-like but just with wide rims and stretched tires. and lowering it.
im not really going away from a "muscle car" except for the fact im flushing it out. i think the look will be good for the car.

TheREVOLUTION22

and if i do this im ruining the name of third gens? ha.

everybody has their own style and what they think a car should look like.
i still want basically like a wheel that looks like i couldve come out of that era. just bigger and flush.

not everybodys thirdgen has to be alike. sure theres different colors, and wheel designs, but youre basically just saying that everyone has to make their cars the same. which is not right. everyone should be original.
i want some variety. would you like to see a thirdgen down the street from where you live with the same hood and wheels? maybe the same spoiler too. the pedastal, the lip. the only ones i see any of our cars with. but oh its painted black and not white so its cool. its different. no. its not different. its the same car just diguised under a different shade. show me some custom ****. something nobody else has.

i like to be different and this is whats gonna make me different. you can hate on it now but once you see it youll be like damn, why didnt i think of that?

my cars going to reflect my imagination. i dont know much yet but im doing work myself. im 17. and my dream is to do custom work on cars. the last idk how man years of my life ive been waiting to get my hands on something to make it custom. mine. i obviously see things differently than all of you do. i guess this could be becausem betting most of you are older. you dont really like the new style us kids are going for. but what **** did you do to your cars when you were young that the older crowd didnt like? and guess what youre still doing it today.

so im just going to leave you all with this. you should be supporting what everyone does with their cars. whether they be third gens, or exotics, or little rice burners. i dont want hate in the custom car culture. not that my voice is going to be heard. its not like i rag on what you guys do either. i like what i see in the cars on here. and most of them are nicer than i could ever imagine mine. but i support other peoples doing. what you like is what you like.

91ls1t56

If thats what you like do it up.When its done you might change peoples opinions on it or you might not like it yourself.Its your car do what you want to it.

HCR13

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Here you go, I found it for you!


haha, I'm kidding. But seriously dude. Do what YOU want to do to YOUR car. Forget what people say. I also don't like that there is a cookie-cutter mold for thirdgens and nobody wants to step up to radical ideas. If I had the $$ I would probably be doing some crazy things to my car. The thing about this site is that there are alot of old people and alot of young people and it clashes sometimes. I'm tired of seeing every other Camaro with a cowl hood, torq thrusts, and high rise spoiler, and the mandatory holy SBC 350. Do what you want, we'll help you with whatever you need be it body or interior or even suspension. As far as lowering the car for your car's look, the rear would be your enemy since its a solid axle for both rear wheels and it just goes up and down. There are no control arms like the front to swing up and down. These cars come with wide wheels from the factory (sports car) so you might need to get smaller wheels in order for the inner wheel not to rub on the wheel well. So unfortunately these cars weren't designed with VIP style in mind so that means more fabricating for you....but nothing the BFH can't handle!

88fastgta

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hcr13... i remember seeing that camaro... that thing looks really ugly.... it would have been much better leaving the grill stock.... or ever better making the factory grill chrome would have looked much better than whats on there now... the side pipes dont do anything for it either.... thats better left to the vettes and ratrod cars...

ATX-Iroc

Do whatever you want, there needs to be more diversity in this forum instead of the cookie cutter 383 with 18's. What i will encourage you to think about is how much it sucks to drive a car that you cant drive the ***** off of. example: my friends got a newer monte carlo with 24's that looks pretty nice but the problem is you cant have more than 2 people in it or the tires rub and you have to take EXTREME measures not to hit pot holes and you can hardly turn the wheel with out the tires rubbing.

sailtexas186548

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i think you should go for it, and if people dont like it, who cares? i think you main challenge isn't going to be getting the wheels to tuck front or rear, just know that you can't have any negative camber in the rear unless you go to an IRS set up. The real challenge your going to have is the body, as body kits that look good for these cars don't exist, and creating one that looks good is going to be a PITA.

If i was to make my car VIP id do this:
1. shave the door locks and handles
2. 91/91 GFX
3. some sorta wing thats not too obnoxious
4. a wide body kit like neil
5. mold the GFX into the body so there are no seams
6. a good paint job
7. air-ride suspension to get it LOW
8. set the camber you want up front
9. irs swap out back to get the negative camber
10. wheels like bbs mesh wheels prob like 19's
11. a flat RS hood
12. dark tint
13. clear or shaded markers and tails
14.projector headlights like sinister z's
15. lsx motor swap with a 6 speed
16. custom interior thats quality not some cheap rainbow color crap, its "vip" right?lol

anyway if you do this post up pics, it would be interesting to see. good luck, if you need anything else, post up, even though some ppl will bash you others will help all they can

el_muerte

I also don't understand why you'd want negative camber... to me, that screams uneven tire wear and poor ride quality. Also, it looks like Godzilla sat on your car and busted the springs and bent the axle. IMO lower it but keep a straight camber.

Stephen

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Because in the corners, it would create 0 for the outside tire, where is where & when you want 0 the most. In a straight line, it wouldn't really matter, unlike toe-in/toe-out.

TheREVOLUTION22

i swapped out my '84 bumper for an '87 and the cowl hood is also from the '87. projectors are such a good idea. i saw that thread and i want some made for me.
im getting my headliner redone soon its going to be done in the BRIDE gradation fabric. and i hope to swap out the seats for BRIDE gradation seats. im going to remove the back seats i think and put subs and an amp there too.
tint is a good idea, i want it.
as for the rims. like the blue one above in this thread i want something like those autoart rims... they just look right on third gens.
i really want to convert mine to 5/6 spd. automatic is just **** to me anymore. i bought my tc in a 5 spd and it feels awkward to drive an auto now.
thanks for the support bro

gregsz-28

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For the question asked, that is the correct answer, but the negative camber on the scion for example was grossly excessive, and I guarantee it would hurt performance. The outside edge of those tires would have full tread left by the time the inside edge was bald.

Stephen

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Nor arguement here on that.

The excessive amounts, reminds me of the front wheels on a Mexican Impala Lowrider.

radical82

and I say, More Power to you!!!!!!!!! There's just not many customizers left around anymore, seems we've lost out to the "bolt on and go" crowd!!! There are many who feel the only way to build "there" car is with what happens to be the most favorite part and look of the day, so most cars wind up being put together with many of the same parts, even some down to a vote on what color to paint it!!!!! Remember playing follow the leader when you were in grade school???? Well, it's still a very popular game.... and many people end up with a car that they didn't really want, but others consider it acceptable, cuz it's built in the same design as theirs!!!!!!

I would imagine guys like George Barris, Chip Foose, Troy Trepanier, and a whole host of others lived with the same criticism, "Do what we all do or you and your car ain't kewl"!!!! I've always been the guy who sez it's my car and if you don't like it, too bad...

Used to be a big thing, "Dare to be different". Seems to have died out for awhile but I also see a lot of signs of it coming back, thank goodness!!! Not sure how many clones I can stand to look at in one day anymore...

IMO, as long as the car is built with fit, finish, and detail being the most important criteria, it follows a central theme throughout the build, and has a "flow" to it when seen in motion, it's a good build!!!!! Following your own ideas is never an excuse for shoddy work, in fact it's usually a reason for a car being built to a higher standard!

Anyway, build what ya want, enjoy the build, and let it be an expression of what you like!!!! It would seem you are the type of person who will enjoy this type of car rather then just another 3rd Gen built with everybody's favorite parts!!!! Oh yeah, and have fun doing it!!!!!!

CaliChevyLover

props for being original dude im lookin forward to seeing that on your car

1MeanZ

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I'm not trying to hate on you man, I like creativity too. But I'd like to hear what you have to say about what I asked above. I think the VIP thing is just a fad. How would you be building the car if you had never seen cars done that way? Do you think you would have come up with that look all by yourself? Or are you copying what others have done?

The real question is what do you want to do with the car? Street, strip, road race, what? My biggest problem with the flush thing is that the tires and camber are a joke. You ruin any braking, acceleration or handling the car might have. What is the point of an LS motor and a 6 speed if you are going to purposely ruin your car's adhesion to the road.

I modify stuff from an engineering perspective. I have a clear picture of what I want to do with the car, then I make the changes in concert so the the car can perform how I want it to perform. Damaging a car's performance just to get it to have flush mounted wheels seems like a huge step backwards to me.

83 Crossfire TA

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You know, I sort of get it seeing that honda picture... it's definitely not a performance thing (and I'm betting that it is taken to the point of the car being barely driveable if at all), but with the ridiculous camber and wheel fitment it looks like the car, dare I say hot rod, you would draw in a cartoon. Look at a classic Bernie and Crass cartoon or a lot of cartoon drawings of hotrods and they often kind of sit like that.

As long as you keep it a show car thing, don't try to convince some of us old timers that you're getting any handling or performance out of that... what the heck... I mean common, a lot of you giving him a hard time are running 17, 18, 19" ... wheels on a car that would run better, handle better, be faster in every category on a good set of 15's and people seem to accept that (my biggest issue with it is that it's pushing good 15 and 16" tires totally out of the market, so if you're still trying to get ultimate performance out of a car you have to cope with a heavier, larger diameter rim to get a good performance tire).

Now what I want to know is what the heck does "flushing it out" mean and what does "VIP" stand for/come from.

1MeanZ

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Larger rims are used for a multitude of reasons. I think you're glazing over some details here. A larger rim allows the use of a lower profile tire while still maintaining a full wheel well. The other huge reason for larger wheels is because 15 and 16" wheels won't fit over a real set of disc brakes. I don't think a 16" rim will fit over the 14" brakes on a ZR1 or Z06 Corvette....

AlkyIROC

A tall rim with a short sidewall may be good for an Indy car or for a show car but they ride like c**p on a street car. That's why a 15" or even just a 16" rim works much better. I doubt anyone needs an 18+" rim just because it fits over a brake caliper and I doubt a street car needs such huge brakes. Bragging that you have 14" brake rotors on your daily driver doesn't mean you need them. It just compounds the problems.

1MeanZ

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Who cares? This is personal preference.

I have 13" C4 HDs on the front of my IROC and I had to grind the caliper brackets to get my stock IROC wheels to fit. GTA wheels won't fit period. It's hardly an exotic brake setup but the stock 16s don't fit. 15" wheels won't fit over the stock 12" PBR rear discs that came on these cars from the factory....

Compounds what problems? Obviously GM feels the Corvettes need large brakes, as does Porsche, Audi and others that build performance cars. My IROC is a dual purpose street and track car. It does daily driver duty, but also needs to stop from 140mph at Nelson Ledges. So it is a street car that needs larger brakes that require larger rims.

gregsz-28

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I thought 15" wheels should fit? I have heard of clearance issues with lots of different types of 15" wheels, but I thought there was many wheels available that would fit.
I do plan to put 15" wheels over those brakes, as soon as I actually get the brakes.

1MeanZ

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I had 15" steel rims for drag radials over my PBRs but again had to do some grinding. Some rims may fit but they'll all be SUPER close.

gregsz-28

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Close works for me. The wheels on my truck come so close to the outer tie rods I had to have the balance weights removed from the inside edge of the wheels.

TheREVOLUTION22

well ill say tihs again. i want a little bit of camber but nothing like what you see on the scion above. i barley want any. just a bit for a very slightly slanted look. and im pretty sure these cars are functional. i encourage you to go to hellaflush.com and check it out. most of you wont like what you see but im sure some of you will.

gregsz-28

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Even if you max out the stock camber adjustment, it won't be very visually noticeable. You may need to lengthen the camber adjustment slots, or get extended A-arms.

TheREVOLUTION22

maybe i just wont go camber at all. ill just get kindaflush i guess.
i want it real low though

Stephen

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The more flush you have it, the less low you can go. Because of the tires hitting the fenders.

Tuck them some, you'll have more travel & can go lower.

sailtexas186548

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just looked at hellaflush.com, i actually think that the stretched tires look cool when there is zero to -4 degrees of camber and the rim is flush with the fender and the tire is behind the fender, but as soon as the wheel sticks out of the fender at all, it looks like crap. if you actually do this, and do it "right", or at least how i'd like to see it done, it would be kinda cool

gregsz-28

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Just don't get to close to any curbs...

Stephen

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Some tires (the good ones) are made specifically with a rim protector lip for a reason. Sticking the wheels out past the tires only increases the chances of damaging the wheels.

Much cheaper & easier to replace tires than wheels.

gregsz-28

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My front tires are only $90 each, and my rears are about $200 each.

I checked out hellaflush.com, and couldn't help but laugh at the exhaust on the rx7 on page 2.

1MeanZ

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It's much simpler than that. Just go to www.hotpart.com and get their adjustable camber plates. I can get a ton of camber with mine. I bet 4* or more...

TheREVOLUTION22

I checked out hellaflush.com, and couldn't help but laugh at the exhaust on the rx7 on page 2.[/quote]

lol yeah i saw that. im not too into it. there was an xB a while back that had the same thing just really tall. like 2 feet above the roof.