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Old 09-30-2007, 12:34 AM
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very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

so i was thinking about ways to get power, and i'm not sure if anyone else has thought of this (probably have) but i was thinking what if i got a new A.I.R. pump (mine's seized) and ran the plumbing somehow to my cool air induction set up...made some sort of encasement out of sheet metal so that it kind of forces air in? is there enough air outta these smog pumps or is this just a dumb idea?

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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

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so i was thinking about ways to get power, and i'm not sure if anyone else has thought of this (probably have) but i was thinking what if i got a new A.I.R. pump (mine's seized) and ran the plumbing somehow to my cool air induction set up...made some sort of encasement out of sheet metal so that it kind of forces air in? is there enough air outta these smog pumps or is this just a dumb idea?

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I thought about doing the same thing only i was going to route all the ac vents into the intake also so that it could "force" ice cold air into it but then i woke up realized that it would more than likely be more work than what its worth
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

lol well i mean, i can make a sheet metal 'shield' to hold the air from the pump into the filter...but the only thing is thatits gonna want more air than that i'm sure....i'm just thinking of cheap ways to get more air in that wont cause me to need a ram air hood cuz i dont have 500 bucks lol

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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

You wouldn't get 1/10 of 1 pound of boost. You'd have better results cutting a hole in the hood for fresh air.
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1/10 of 1 pound of boost. it might help in a 1.6 honda but in the real world it wont do a bit of good.
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Plus it's constant flow and won't change with engine rpm. Might cause a lean mixture at idle but won't do anything at anything above an idle.
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

yeah, i was just brain storming ways to get more power out lol, but i have come to the same conclusion that the rest of you have, which is that it wont do any good...i was just hoping that i could do something like that to make atleast a small difference in power/speed but im sure this wont help at all lol...back to the old drawing boards lol

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Not even with the smog pump & the AC combined, are they going to crank out enough CFM, to feed a 4 banger, much less a V8.

A leaf blower puts out more CFM that our AC does, and it's barely enough for a 2 liter 4 banger, much less a 5.7 liter V8.

I understand your desire for cheap forced induction, but those won't cut it.
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

just mount a air compressor in the trunk with say a 20 gallon tank. A power inverter to run it and 3 inch pipe going to a carb hat and unleash all that air at once. let us know what happens though.
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

or put a squirrel underneath the hood... in a flame retardant suit.. and have him spray using a can of compressed air
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ha ha this is funny back in 2004 i had a night job and drew up plans for this but it had to have a valve to let more air in b/c there is not enough volume after a certain amount of rpm. I was going to do it my elky just for fun but realized it would help me off the line by like .0001 of a second! lol! I was sleep deprived ( all my best inventions happen when I'm dead tired)

The tank idea is really good though! you could store it and use it like boost on demand. ...it's not practical though

keep thinking though!
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

i like all these ideas...i was also thinking that maybe i can get a couple NOS stickers...ricers tell me all the time they make their cars go faster haha

yeah i dunno about the cheap power though...it seems like all the cheap ideas have already been thought up and theyre not so cheap lol.....damn! and at first, i thought i may have been onto something good lol
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Is this what you had in mind? Maybe dual leaf blowers? 1 per 4 cylinders?

Leaf Blower Bolt on Dyno pull
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

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I thought about doing the same thing only i was going to route all the ac vents into the intake also so that it could "force" ice cold air into it but then i woke up realized that it would more than likely be more work than what its worth
not to mention that running your a/c compressor robs hp anyway, hey, maybe you'd come out even! lol
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

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Is this what you had in mind? Maybe dual leaf blowers? 1 per 4 cylinders?

Leaf Blower Bolt on Dyno pull
wait...did someone actually put a leaf blower on or is that just a joke...cuz if its not, i'd like to meet this person and find out how he came up with this idea for the leaf blower........looks like me and him are on the same thought patter lol both are apparently dumb and not very practical ideas lol
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

I think he is referring to the stupid electric "turbos" you put inside of the air duct tubing you see on ebay.. at least i hope so b/c filling normal gas sucks... putting in mixed fuel would be crazy
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No, I wasn't. The electric blowers would never achieve the cfm needed..I actually searched back when I discovered that leaf blower-blower video.

Then, I thought about a pair of gas engined leaf blower-blowers....After all, we already have gas on board. But, could barely find one that equaled half of our cfms.

It would almost be worth it, to spank another car, and when he asked, show him that your "leaf-blown"....
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that would almost sound as bad as a honda with a mosquito muffler!
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

My idea about the ac intake was to lower air intake temp not really to ram or supplement incoming air but to add cold air to the already incoming air,that has to be worth something on really hot days
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

...but it would actually heat the air. Not to mention it will freeze up the pump, because it requires a lubricant.
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

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...but it would actually heat the air. Not to mention it will freeze up the pump, because it requires a lubricant.
How would cold AC air, heat the incoming air? Or freeze up the pump? The lubricant is inside the pump, and has nothing to do with where the air is going?

I'm thinking you must have misunderstood his idea.
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i disagree you could make it work with some ingenuity. maybe have the a/c pump the cold air directly in the the air cleaner. That cold air has to make a good difference. At least it has no humidity and it's also cold.

but your engine bay would look like something off of "red and green" that pbs Canadian hick thing (p.s. i love that SHOW!)
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

have you ever seen an electric supercharger? it kinda sounds like what you guys are thinking of. you put an electric motor with a fan blade in a housing kinda like a turbo, run the motor to your battery for power, and to a switch in the cab and boom. instant power at the touch of a button. ive never had one on a car, but ive seen it done. you can even buy them online for like 100 bucks. you could put as many on as you want right, you just have to make it so that you can push the button when you want power, but still be bale to have intake sucking past the unit for when your just driving around. sounds like a ingenious design, has anyone else heard of these things? heres a link...


http://www.electricsupercharger.com/

it would be interesting to see if this kinda thing worked. good idea, just seems like hot air to me...
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Re: very weak supercharger/ram air......thing

The e-RAM DOES NOT restrict airflow. When inactive, the e-RAM has the equivalent, unrestricted airflow of a 3 inch intake tube!...those are exact words from the e-ram website...too bad that i'm pretty positive we already have a 3 inch intake tube, atleast i do lol
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The e-RAM also doesn't friggen work. It's snake oil. You'd be better off hiring a small person to blow air into your intake for that kind of cash.
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Anybody ever though of installing a little S/C using the AC pulley?
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