1991camcamaro

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heres a few pics of the Dougs new 3rd gen longtubes headers.

What do you guys think?

i took the pics off, but others still want to see the pics so go towards the bottom of the page to see the PIC's

85Firebird350

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They look awesome. How much do they go for? I'm thinking about long tubes to replace my hooker shorties.

1991camcamaro

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theres a long story for how i got them, but i will keep it short,

i order the headerman headers longtubes first, but they would not clear my lower control arms, so JEGS made me a deal since they didnt fit TWICE!!!!

i got them for $400.00 shipped, but retail from JEGS for $500.00 +shipping/handleing fee.

85Firebird350

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Wow you're lucky I like my setup(hooker shorties and y pipe nothing more) now but nothing will beats a set of longtubes for my 383.

1991camcamaro

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Man O Man they are a super tight fit, plus they install instructions are way the F&@* off, some many small changes it took forever,

(FOR ANYONE THAT IS GOING TO INSTALL THESE HEADERS PM ME FIRST)

also one thing Dougs or Jegs doesnt tell you is there is a slip joint of the rear passenger primary, it leaked, i had to send it back under warranty and they fixed it, a month later

but they are so nice, great quality, super thick flanges, both at the heads and at the collectors.

fast89ta

How tough were your long tubes to install? I got hooker super comp. long tubes on mine and they were suprisingly simple to do, i also put them in while dropping the motor in. Mine route out right inside the pinchweld so im running true duals right out the side. Looks good tho.

1991camcamaro

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Well lets start off first with the passenger side

Dougs modeled there design around a normal 350/305 starter....(very tight) i installed a LT1 starter, which leads me to my next problem, the passenger front primary does clear the knock sensor.... had to move it to the other side(tons more room), and the reroute the wire to the knock sensor.
and then there is the brake lines. its too close the header was rubing the brake lines the run along the engines subframe, in had to reroute those too.
now the driver side was a heck of lot easier(yeah right), alls i had to do is loosen the engine from the engine frame and the jack it up until the trans it hit the trans tunnel, and pull the steering column.

this was not my first longtube install so i thought it was going to be simple wrong again.

tommy z-28

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I installed the headmans from underneath and it was pretty easy. I dont know why they were too tight on you? although i did trim the a-arm a tiny bit.

DId you do the Dougs dr side from underneath, and still have to move the steer column>?

1991camcamaro

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i had to install the driver side from the top and the passenger side from the bottom.

viridis

PICS!!!!!

fast89ta

will get pics tomorrow, i dunno how to post them on here so ill put them on my car domain site

Tony89GTA

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They look pretty good, nice 1-3/4" tubes and 3" collectors, any problems with the plugs on these headers? Also how close to the ground do these things sit?

More pic's please if you have them!

fast89ta

POSTED SOME PICS ON MY CARDOMAIN PAGE, NOT THE GREATEST VIEW BUT I DONT GOT A LIFT. HERES THE LINK http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2539498/2

1991camcamaro

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I had to run the Accels short resistor type plugs $40.00 more bucks,
i had A/C delco rapid-fires in before, but they are way too long for these headers. when i put my new motor in 383 hehehe.... i will buy angle plugs so i can run all kinds of plugs.
and ground clearence is low with my custom Y-pipe, I will put a coke can under neath and take a few more pics so you guys and get a good look at "STOCK" ride height.

i can go over pretty high speed bumps though. but i have a super steep drive and she scrapes a little thats only time i scrape is im my driveway, if i see tall speed bumps i avoid them just incase.

Comp788

The headers look nice. But the pipes looks pretty low compaired to the frame rails and oil pan and having to run the short plugs is kind of a bummer.

wannafbody

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I dont see any pics, were did they go?
All I see is a cardomin link to a big block under a 3rd gen.

1991camcamaro

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hey bud here some pics

mike1986fyrbird

Can you get a side view to show how much lower the bottom of the header collectors are from the frame rails or an estimate? Thanks man.

1991camcamaro

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hey mike1986fygird in the exhaust thread

"Dr Pepper Can Test" has some side views of my exhaust.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...-can-test.html

Gramps

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thats a sweet setup you got there cam, i like the diversion valve you have there that has carbon deposits starting to buildup on the unibody

are those diversion valves easy to install? it'd be nice to have one but im lazy, is this thing for me or not? (referring to lazyness)

fast89ta

the header pics are on page 2

1991camcamaro

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QTP makes this electric cutout, and i have thermal sheild there b/c right rear passenger sets there, and there is carpet there on the inside and i didnt want it to burn.
very easy to install it just bolts on the exhaust if you have a cutout made into the exhuast, and run the wires to a switch up front and open and close the cutout and ready to loud or quiet.

Gramps

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i guess you had to get a custom fabbed Y-pipe and intermediete pipe to go to the muffler?

wannafbody

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wow NICE, look very exspensive.

onebad82z

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Nice install!

Is it me or do the Doug's LT headers look damn near identical to the Hooker 2210's?

Comp788

They look like they hang down pretty low compaired to my Lemons Headers. How far down past the bottom of the oil pan do the headers hang?

SilentBobZ28

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Did you have your Y pipe custom fabbed up at an exhaust shop or did you buy one from somewhere?

mw66nova

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will they fit with a no kidding mini-starter?

Stevo

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Will they fit a T5 is what i'm wondering...looks like ill be the first to try.

Hooker 2210s fit T5s...and these are similar headers so i hope to hell they fit. Im sick of clearancing every god damn thing on this car for "100% bolt-on" parts.

Drone358

how much if you don't mind me askin did it take to run you that setup... all i have is the ceramic hookers headers longtube and wanting to run them to the outside kinda like nascar does it.. or like the lightning trucks has theres

1991camcamaro

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ok i wil try to remember, i dont really get on here much anymore so sorry.
i am too busy building up my 2002 SS camaro

um, i had it custom fabbed up from my design.

also it cost $420.00
cats and "y" about 120.00 and another 300.00 for them to fab up the y-pipe

and Stevo, i dont really know for sure if they will clear the T5, you may have to call Dougs and/or jegs and ask a tech rep.. dont ask a sales rep they dont know much.

and mw66nova, um ??? mini starter i used the LT1 starter its about 1/2 the size of a regular 305/350 starter, and it sounds pretty cool too.

91greenbird

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i got the damn hedmans two they wouldnt clear the control arms bent them to bad to send back everyone thought i was crazy when i posted they didnt fit i ended up with shorties. Why such big headers for a tbi 305?

mw66nova

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i had the lt1 starter, but through some unfortunate happenings, mine broke. i have a mini-starter at the house i'm going to put on this weekend, but i don't want to have to buy a new one just for headers.

you are right, the hedman longtubes do NOT clear the a-arm perch, the a-arm perch MUST be trimmed. i've put those headers on about 8 cars.

1991camcamaro

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hey 91Greenbird, i dont think its a TBI issue its that they dont know how to bend the primarys. not enough R&D at Dougs headers.
hopefully they will tweak the design a little to fit better.

On my 2002 camaro i went with the 3 generation coated LT Pacesetters and it only took me 2 1/2 hours to install them, the fitment is so perfect. no issues, no grinding, no hammering, just slide them in from under neath and install the bolts and done. also they dont hang low like my Dougs headers,
my 2002 camaro is lowered and i can slide a coke can underneath the exhaust and still have a 1/2 of gap.

Drone358

nice man.. thats awesome... ive got the mini starter and the 2210's Hooker so i should be in pretty good shape... im probably gonna either dump it right at the back tires or shoot it to the rear side of the car

SLSracing89

those headers are sweet but i went with a set of mid length ceramic coated headers that were meant for a 1975-1981 camaro and they were so easy to intall took me 1 hour to install them the passerger side was easy no problem at all the driver side was a pain i had to take a body hammer to them it two places on it but it didnt take that much oh and i also only paid a 160 bucks for my great deal for ceramic coated headers