Anyone have 1 7/8 or 2" headman long tubes
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Anyone have 1 7/8 or 2" headman long tubes
The part numbers are 65171 for the 1 7/8s or 65172 for the 2" long tubes anyone have them or have installed them.
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2" primaries? You sure thats not for a big block? Thats too big to fit onto a small block head.
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Originally posted by Air_Adam
2" primaries? You sure thats not for a big block? Thats too big to fit onto a small block head.
2" primaries? You sure thats not for a big block? Thats too big to fit onto a small block head.
Link to Stahl
http://www.stahlheaders.com/Frame%20New%20Drag.htm
Click on part number 108
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Those are valid numbers. I had the same question, seems like it'd be tough to fit in there. But that's what is called out. They're like $500+, but for 2" primaries, that's sick and cool.
I talked to the Hedman guys, they weren't that friendly or helpful. They just said "Nah, won't work". Didn't really jive with their offerings and listings, but I just got tired of fighting to get some info from them, figured I could get some better info here.
I talked to the Hedman guys, they weren't that friendly or helpful. They just said "Nah, won't work". Didn't really jive with their offerings and listings, but I just got tired of fighting to get some info from them, figured I could get some better info here.
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Well I'm looking to make 600+ on the motor. 441ci 12.5:1
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Hedman makes "Hustler" 1 3/4, 1 7/8 and 2" primary long tubes for our chassis, but they require a mini starter and a remote oil filter. Living in CA, I would also have to install AIR fittings and get them referee'd for smog. I'm considering it, but it seems like a lot of hassle and expense, and for the planned hot street engine, I don't think it will make that much difference. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
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Like these...Heddman Hustlers with 1 7/8" primaries 3.5" collectors. Mini starter for sure but you can get by without a oil filter reloctor kit. Just have to use the short filter.
Edit:
For what it's worth the adapter you have to run to fit big tube to the sbc needs to be completely ground out by the installer. The adapter comes with little 3/4" or so hole in the location needed, but you must manually grind them to fit the gasket.
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For what it's worth the adapter you have to run to fit big tube to the sbc needs to be completely ground out by the installer. The adapter comes with little 3/4" or so hole in the location needed, but you must manually grind them to fit the gasket.
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If you look at those headers posted, the bolt holes are not in the proper SBC places - you will need adapters (or heads with the correct bolt pattern).
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hey paul_huryk how is your 350 a LG4? just curious.
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Originally posted by phoenix305
hey paul_huryk how is your 350 a LG4? just curious.
hey paul_huryk how is your 350 a LG4? just curious.
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nice just curious, and its that fast with all those stock engine components?
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I believe pauls pass in the sig was made with the use of nitrous.
Stahl headers? Besides relocating the brake lines, steering shaft, AC removal, etc etc. - Do you realize how much you have to chop up the front end of the car to get those on right? Not your simple slide in place and bolt up...
I've seen them on a blown SBC IROC some time ago. I commented on his home built headers. After telling me about what he had to go through to get them to fit the car, he stated he would NOT do it again.
Stahl headers? Besides relocating the brake lines, steering shaft, AC removal, etc etc. - Do you realize how much you have to chop up the front end of the car to get those on right? Not your simple slide in place and bolt up...
I've seen them on a blown SBC IROC some time ago. I commented on his home built headers. After telling me about what he had to go through to get them to fit the car, he stated he would NOT do it again.
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Originally posted by phoenix305
nice just curious, and its that fast with all those stock engine components?
nice just curious, and its that fast with all those stock engine components?
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Originally posted by paul_huryk
Very easily - I swapped the 305 out for a 350 while still using the factory LG4 carb, distributor, and computer.
Very easily - I swapped the 305 out for a 350 while still using the factory LG4 carb, distributor, and computer.
I have a Corvette 350 block, with Corvette wheels and brakes. Does that make my car a Vette?
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dude.. must we all find everything to pick at each other for? jesus
He was using the stock LG4 intake and firing components.. Not an LG4, but its saying that the LG4 intake and firing components are just fine to go that fast, thats all
He was using the stock LG4 intake and firing components.. Not an LG4, but its saying that the LG4 intake and firing components are just fine to go that fast, thats all
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Originally posted by Boomin Boy
i dont think you'll need 2 inch primaries until you're around 1000 HP IMO
i dont think you'll need 2 inch primaries until you're around 1000 HP IMO
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Originally posted by unknown_host
Its about displacement and rpm more than just horsepower. Look at big block headers.
Its about displacement and rpm more than just horsepower. Look at big block headers.
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Ah well, I talked with everyone and their brother. Aything over 1-3/4" is out for the Firebird. Apparently for the 82-92 Camaro, there's a little more clearance along the body rails than the Firebird. Who would have thought?
So, I guess it's Hooker 2210's for me and my SBC 441...
So, I guess it's Hooker 2210's for me and my SBC 441...
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Originally posted by Boomin Boy
its still a small block so im assuming its under 454 cubes and spinning at less than 8000 rpm..still too big IMO
its still a small block so im assuming its under 454 cubes and spinning at less than 8000 rpm..still too big IMO
Its not going to make or break his motor, I Just know people who have seen gains making less than 1000 horsepower by going to a larger header.
There is a general consensus on this forum that no motor should EVER need more than 1 3/4" headers and single 3" exhaust. I have been trying to break that for a while now.
Sounds like you have some badass cars, what does the malibu run out of curiosity?
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4.125" stroke, 4.125" bore, 6.125" rods. Yes, I'll be taking some pics soon as it goes together...
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Here's a picture of the 2" Heddman Hustlers that I have. Sorry as I have yet to install them yet though "still gathering cash & parts"
The folks from Heddman say that you will have fitament problems with stock pieces. I have a tubular K Member & will be using a mini starter. They have a steep price tag as well, a dab over $750.
Hope this helps, Bruce
The folks from Heddman say that you will have fitament problems with stock pieces. I have a tubular K Member & will be using a mini starter. They have a steep price tag as well, a dab over $750.
Hope this helps, Bruce
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Originally posted by 70GTO
Here's a picture of the 2" Heddman Hustlers that I have. Sorry as I have yet to install them yet though "still gathering cash & parts"
The folks from Heddman say that you will have fitament problems with stock pieces. I have a tubular K Member & will be using a mini starter. They have a steep price tag as well, a dab over $750.
Hope this helps, Bruce
Here's a picture of the 2" Heddman Hustlers that I have. Sorry as I have yet to install them yet though "still gathering cash & parts"
The folks from Heddman say that you will have fitament problems with stock pieces. I have a tubular K Member & will be using a mini starter. They have a steep price tag as well, a dab over $750.
Hope this helps, Bruce
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IHI is correct ("as normal") as the supplied steel adapter plates leave a lot to be desired & will need a lot of grinding to match the exhaust port pattern of your heads. I tossed them and made a set of them from 3/8" flat aluminun "lighter & easier to work.
Oh yea, the $750 price included the Jet hot coating.
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Oh yea, the $750 price included the Jet hot coating.
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Originally posted by 70GTO
IHI is correct ("as normal")
IHI is correct ("as normal")
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Interesting collectors on those...
Interesting collectors on those...
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LMAO, whats that supposed to mean?? Spend enough money and screw enough stuff up eventually you learn things
LMAO, whats that supposed to mean?? Spend enough money and screw enough stuff up eventually you learn things
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Sell it, best advise ever!!
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Originally posted by unknown_host
I would agree with you if it was a n/a motor, but i am assuming from his sig he is going to still be running a 200 shot on this motor.
Its not going to make or break his motor, I Just know people who have seen gains making less than 1000 horsepower by going to a larger header.
There is a general consensus on this forum that no motor should EVER need more than 1 3/4" headers and single 3" exhaust. I have been trying to break that for a while now.
I would agree with you if it was a n/a motor, but i am assuming from his sig he is going to still be running a 200 shot on this motor.
Its not going to make or break his motor, I Just know people who have seen gains making less than 1000 horsepower by going to a larger header.
There is a general consensus on this forum that no motor should EVER need more than 1 3/4" headers and single 3" exhaust. I have been trying to break that for a while now.
unknown_host, I agreewith ya.
When I built the engine in my signature I refered to a recipe from The Best of Hot Rod magazine "How to build Big Inch Chevy Small Blocks". They had dyno results & to make a long story short, the large cube small blocks made more HP & torque with the larger 2" tube headers. Also the enging they were testing was N/A
IHI, "Sell it, best advise ever!!",
Great advice, but I'm hooked & it's a lot of fun " I Think"!!!
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I was getting some powder coating done, and was looking through the sample book the powder coater has. It listed a "super high temprature" powder coating, that is either satin black, or a finish that looks a lot like the ceramic coating. Anybody ever used high-temp powder coating on their headers before?
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I have'nt seen any high temp powder coated headers, but I can attest the the fact Jet-Hot is simply amazing to say the least. We race with a couple from MN that had the headers for their 66 stang done by Jet-Hot, literally 2-3minutes after they're back in the pits you can grab the headers.
I was going to send mine out before installing the motor, but figured with all the headaches these 3rd gens throw at us, I better run them first and let the dents, dings from fitting take place before I spend $277 (quoated from J/H) to have then coated. Glad I did, Hooker Super comps + wheelies = A-arms slamming into the headers and denting the pipes badly.
But with our extreme under hood temps as they are even stock, coupled with the fact of poor air circulation by factory design, the thermal coatings is a great investment.
70GTO, sell it!! Take up yard work or something, these cars are like drugs as they consume you and take over your life!! Least with yard work you can get your money back outta the place when you sell....try saying that about a project car LOL!!
I was going to send mine out before installing the motor, but figured with all the headaches these 3rd gens throw at us, I better run them first and let the dents, dings from fitting take place before I spend $277 (quoated from J/H) to have then coated. Glad I did, Hooker Super comps + wheelies = A-arms slamming into the headers and denting the pipes badly.
But with our extreme under hood temps as they are even stock, coupled with the fact of poor air circulation by factory design, the thermal coatings is a great investment.
70GTO, sell it!! Take up yard work or something, these cars are like drugs as they consume you and take over your life!! Least with yard work you can get your money back outta the place when you sell....try saying that about a project car LOL!!
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I was getting some powder coating done, and was looking through the sample book the powder coater has. It listed a "super high temprature" powder coating, that is either satin black, or a finish that looks a lot like the ceramic coating. Anybody ever used high-temp powder coating on their headers before?
I was getting some powder coating done, and was looking through the sample book the powder coater has. It listed a "super high temprature" powder coating, that is either satin black, or a finish that looks a lot like the ceramic coating. Anybody ever used high-temp powder coating on their headers before?
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Just bought a set. I think I am going to run Flowmaster Topten 3.5" mufflers off the headers and just turn them down. I don't know how gret my ground clearance is going to be...
Anybody have toptens?
Just bought a set. I think I am going to run Flowmaster Topten 3.5" mufflers off the headers and just turn them down. I don't know how gret my ground clearance is going to be...
Anybody have toptens?
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Those will never work with your car!!!
I'll help bail you out. Tell you what, I'll cover the cost of what you had to pay just cause I'm a nice guy...
Those do look sweet...
I'll help bail you out. Tell you what, I'll cover the cost of what you had to pay just cause I'm a nice guy...
Those do look sweet...
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Those will never work with your car!!!
Those will never work with your car!!!
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I was getting some powder coating done, and was looking through the sample book the powder coater has. It listed a "super high temprature" powder coating, that is either satin black, or a finish that looks a lot like the ceramic coating. Anybody ever used high-temp powder coating on their headers before?
I was getting some powder coating done, and was looking through the sample book the powder coater has. It listed a "super high temprature" powder coating, that is either satin black, or a finish that looks a lot like the ceramic coating. Anybody ever used high-temp powder coating on their headers before?
Its JUNK.. I do ceramic,thermal and powder coating. The Hi temp powder is JUNK.
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Digging up this thread...
I went ahead with some 2210's on that 441. With some dyno-shop 1-7/8", the motor made 680 at the crank. With the 2210's and a dual 3"->3-1/2" in the car, it made 440 at the wheels. Getting rid of the Y-pipe and running open headers on the 2210's, it got up to 530hp at the wheels. That's too much loss, and I'm looking now to step up the header sizing.
Anyone have some insight into fitment issues? I've got an 87 T/A, tubular K-member, mini-starter, remote-mounted oil filter, Dart Iron Eagle spread-rail block, T-56.
I'm really leaning toward some 1-7/8"->2" stepped Hedman Husler headers, part # 65172. Any thoughts are certainly welcomed.
And, of course, if anyone has something along those lines, I'd love to hear about it.
And, if anyone needs some coated 2210's with Y-pipe, bullet, and Borla system out back, you know where to find me. What's restrictive for me could be wide-open for another ;^).
I went ahead with some 2210's on that 441. With some dyno-shop 1-7/8", the motor made 680 at the crank. With the 2210's and a dual 3"->3-1/2" in the car, it made 440 at the wheels. Getting rid of the Y-pipe and running open headers on the 2210's, it got up to 530hp at the wheels. That's too much loss, and I'm looking now to step up the header sizing.
Anyone have some insight into fitment issues? I've got an 87 T/A, tubular K-member, mini-starter, remote-mounted oil filter, Dart Iron Eagle spread-rail block, T-56.
I'm really leaning toward some 1-7/8"->2" stepped Hedman Husler headers, part # 65172. Any thoughts are certainly welcomed.
And, of course, if anyone has something along those lines, I'd love to hear about it.
And, if anyone needs some coated 2210's with Y-pipe, bullet, and Borla system out back, you know where to find me. What's restrictive for me could be wide-open for another ;^).
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yah, you are losing a good 30-50hp at the rear wheels (not sure on the loss of power with the T-56).. Have you thought of having custom headers made? i mean, with how much you put into the motor, it would be worth it and you could have whatever O.D. size you want.
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Originally posted by Craig Moates
Digging up this thread...
I went ahead with some 2210's on that 441. With some dyno-shop 1-7/8", the motor made 680 at the crank. With the 2210's and a dual 3"->3-1/2" in the car, it made 440 at the wheels. Getting rid of the Y-pipe and running open headers on the 2210's, it got up to 530hp at the wheels. That's too much loss, and I'm looking now to step up the header sizing.
Anyone have some insight into fitment issues? I've got an 87 T/A, tubular K-member, mini-starter, remote-mounted oil filter, Dart Iron Eagle spread-rail block, T-56.
I'm really leaning toward some 1-7/8"->2" stepped Hedman Husler headers, part # 65172. Any thoughts are certainly welcomed.
And, of course, if anyone has something along those lines, I'd love to hear about it.
And, if anyone needs some coated 2210's with Y-pipe, bullet, and Borla system out back, you know where to find me. What's restrictive for me could be wide-open for another ;^).
Digging up this thread...
I went ahead with some 2210's on that 441. With some dyno-shop 1-7/8", the motor made 680 at the crank. With the 2210's and a dual 3"->3-1/2" in the car, it made 440 at the wheels. Getting rid of the Y-pipe and running open headers on the 2210's, it got up to 530hp at the wheels. That's too much loss, and I'm looking now to step up the header sizing.
Anyone have some insight into fitment issues? I've got an 87 T/A, tubular K-member, mini-starter, remote-mounted oil filter, Dart Iron Eagle spread-rail block, T-56.
I'm really leaning toward some 1-7/8"->2" stepped Hedman Husler headers, part # 65172. Any thoughts are certainly welcomed.
And, of course, if anyone has something along those lines, I'd love to hear about it.
And, if anyone needs some coated 2210's with Y-pipe, bullet, and Borla system out back, you know where to find me. What's restrictive for me could be wide-open for another ;^).
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Transmission: 6-Speed
Originally posted by Craig Moates
With the 2210's and a dual 3"->3-1/2" in the car, it made 440 at the wheels. Getting rid of the Y-pipe and running open headers on the 2210's, it got up to 530hp at the wheels.
With the 2210's and a dual 3"->3-1/2" in the car, it made 440 at the wheels. Getting rid of the Y-pipe and running open headers on the 2210's, it got up to 530hp at the wheels.
Tim
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Heck, it doesn't look like even a 4" Mufflex system is big enough for your motor. However it would be a step in the right direction. Two 3" pipes in and a 4" out at the wye.
By the way Jerrywho who started this post wound up making his own 1 7/8" headers. The man has a lot of skills and never ceases to amaze me. Allen
By the way Jerrywho who started this post wound up making his own 1 7/8" headers. The man has a lot of skills and never ceases to amaze me. Allen
Last edited by 1989GTATransAm; 07-04-2005 at 07:30 PM.