daddy33

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i was just curious if anyone here as added the autoloc flamethrower kit to there dual exhaust? Im thinking about getting the kit and just wanted to know if it would be hard or easy to put on. i think it would be really cool to shoot some flames out through my pipes! anyways i just wanted to know what you guys think about it and if you've done this or not. Thanks

bigals87z28

DO IT and post pics!! when some ahole civic pulls up behind you, and purges on your car... LIGHT THEM UP!!! HEHEHE EVIL THIRDGEN BLOWS UP CIVIC WITH HIS OWN NITROUS THEN LEAVES A 5FT MASS OF MELTED RUBBER ALL OVER HIS CAR TO PUT OUT THE FLAMES! would make for a great newspaper title..

SLOWTBI

this has been covered before...you can not put flame throwers on a camaro or any vehicle for that matter with cat-converters. you just can't because the flame thrower kit cuts off your coil, letting raw fuel dump into your exhaust to be lit be coils and plugs located in your exhaust...the cat doesn't allow the fuel to get to the tips...don;t try this if you have cats, you will end up blowin' your car up

Roostmeyer

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Not to mention how much the paint and fiberglass/plastic on your bumpers will love the heat...

Actually the kits I've seen just burn left over fuel in your exhuast. The way they sounded was that even with good A/F ratio you should have enough fuel to get some decent flames, and with a slight rich condition you could put out some very nice flames.

CaysE

Put some engine paint on that rear bumper! Love that article title, by the way. I'd read it.

Timz2882

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actually u can still do a set up with cats. its alot of work and u need a few kolemen gas bottles and a nitrogen tank i think it was and a few switches and a few good spark plugs that cost about17bucks a piece.

this pic is the kit im taking about its nothing on the market its a build it urself kit.

even though he doesnt have cats, it doesnt matter becuz ur using a seperate gas source instead of cuttin power to the coil and dumping raw fuel down ur pipes.

with this kit that guy can shoot 60ft long flames that g about 35-40ft in the air.

he didnt do a big shot of flame in that pic becuz theres an over hang right above us.

hiimdoc

damn, that looks cool.....

hiimdoc

tim do you know of any plans that show how to set up a system like that

Timz2882

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nope most of its trial and error, i could see if i can get some shots of the set up but who knows if the guy i know will drive it to work any time soon

hiimdoc

cool thanks..

knight2002

The guys here in Arizona have the flame thrower set up on some of their cars/trucks with the cat-converters.
All you really need to do is put a spark plug in each exhaust pipe, about 6 inches or so from the rear tips/exit, get one or two spare ignition coils, a couple of spark plug wires and wire the coil(s) up to a switch. When you want to "flame" out the back, all you have to do is rev up your engine and let off, flicking the switch as you let off.
You don't need a kit. Just make sure your exhaust pipes come out a couple of inches past the body. (2 inches isn't that long, but it'll keep you from burning your car to the ground).
It's fairly simple, as long as you have time, a little bit of money and little bit of patience.

Timz2882

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Hey i cant get anypics of the guys set up of how it is becuz its basiclly a secret way of settin it up.

also those "kits" when u hit the button and it cuts the coil off o dump raw fuel down the pipes, is bad for the engine and stupid to do enless u dont drive the car much.

dans82bird

Whats a catalytic convertor

hot86z-28

exactly my thoughts, are you saying that every camaro or firebird has cat's? you must live in a very environmentally sound world. but get it done i wana see it i've never seen it in person only on video and tv, but then i will have to drive to where ever u live... yet another problem poses itself.

Tremo

Too bad the old piston engine airliners are no longer flying. Man, those engines put out some serious flame from the exhausts. Like a nice blue flame a couple feet long when at takeoff power. Gotta love the old radials. 3350 cubic inches running 145 octane gas, and supercharged.

dans82bird

old wright and P&W radials rule

87camarodan

How can I hook up a fuel injector to some fuel supply to spray when I push a button? If I hook 1 at each out let of the muffler followed the a spark plug wired to a coil that goes off from the same switch would that make some pretty good flames if theres enuff exhaust to push it out?

dans82bird

I'm not to sure on how an injector would hold up to exhaust heat but you could try a NO2 nozzle (with a checkvalve between the nozzle and fuel supply)

87camarodan

So i would just get some nitrous Nozzles, 2 electric check valves? small fuel tank, fuel pump, coil, spark plug, plug wire,

then hook everything up in the obvious order and is anybody here gonna tell me that wont work for some reason that im still missing?

Flyersman29

http://rmtshirts.com/FlameThrowerTuningSessionTakeII.wmv

flyordie

The pic looks so cool! Ya f%cked the proper look of a nova though at the ***. Light's look for $hit.

Trans_AM_88

that link doesnt work. but i want to see it

Timz2882

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what the tail light lenses? if so its becuz there burned/melted becuz of the heat from them flames he shots with that car.

Flyersman29

it's in the Fbody Hideout "online vids and links" section in their forums... called "flame throwing snake eater" i can't get the link to work either so i hope that works for ya

85_ZED28

cut and paste the link into a new window

bigals87z28

oh ok.. i have that vid on my work computer. His car his very sweet. He did a lot of custom work to his car, and his car ROCKS!!.

2 dope

i saw pics from 2fast2furious, they had propane tanks in the trunk to make the flames come out of the pipes blue. Im not sure i would wanna mess with fuel near the exhaust at least enough to make flames shoot out, it does look sweet though. I wonder what would happen if a cop saw that,

D M N

you could use the windshield washer tank to store the fuel also you could purge your NOS from the tailpipes and then light it or not it would look cool either way also what is used to make does black flames i think that would look cool, also i was thinking about setting up this security system with side exhaust so when anyone is trying to steal my cars the engine startes up and shoots flames from the side (i have had my car broken into a couple of times)

87camarodan

Isnt nitrous not flammable? thats what ive heard somewhere that it justs acts sorta like a catalyst in the combustion process, but that it wasnt flammable by itself, I could have heard from faulty sources tho so correct me if im wrong

yah flames are bad ***

wouldnt gas be not good for the plastic in the windshield reservoir? and you would need different tubes comin out cuz those arent meant for fuel, just a safety precaution if someone tries that one and make sure yours doesnt leak like mine

bigals87z28

Well, because of the high oxygen content in nitrous, it would burn pretty good.... or explode! causing a vacum behind your car which would push you car foward as more air trys to fill the empty void and actualy boost your car about 200 mph... but it doubt it...

Apeiron

There's even more oxygen in water. How does it burn?

bigals87z28

cause ahh maybe ahh umm ahh ITS FOCKING WATER DUMBA$$...
If you seperate water into hydrogen and oxygen, and put a match near the oxygen, you sill see that it "pops". when it mixes with hydrogen, it forms water....
why do you think you spray nitrous in your engine? cause it smells funny? Nitrous has more oxygen content in it then the air an engine normaly breaths... more oxygen... more power... nitrogen just helps it be stable so you engine doesnt explode if you put in strait o2. Now back to your hole.. thank you.

87camarodan

there are equal amounts of oxygen in nitrous oxide and water, one part water to 2 parts nitrogen or hydrogen depending on said substance, the reason that the water doesnt burn is because the Hydrogen atoms are much harder to pull away from the oxygen atoms, thats why you get steam when you heat water up, nitrous brings more burnable oxygen into the car in 2 ways, first it cools the air charge by like 70* when through evaporative cooling (when a liquid changes to a gas it absorbs heat from its surroundings) and when N20 is subjected to high temperatures, like a combustion chamber, it dissociates to its individual parts nitrogen and oxygen, the nitrogen doesnt take part in the combustion process so it is just a bystander in there, but the extra oxygen is used to burn more gas.... and then you go faster.

D M N

are you for real??

halflife52

nitrous is inflammable, so there won't be any exploding civics or 200 mph boosts. "that" movie is so completely full of bullsh!t...NAWWWWZZZZZ!

bigals87z28

holy crap... the oxygen in nitrous oxide is what gives it a nice flame... wtf are you people blank in the head? How does one want to explain how nitrous oxide works if thats the case? Anything under pressure will explode if heat is applied.

The question is are YOU for real.

Token

When nitrous is compressed and heat applied, it breaks down into nitrogen and oxygen. The oxygen content in the fuel-to-air mixture increases, causing a faster and more complete burn. This is why you have to add more fuel when using nitrogen, otherwise you'll run lean and/or explode.

bigals87z28

it does not break down!!! where does it break down? In the bottle? so your saying that im spraying pure oxygen, which is highly explosive, is going into my engine... the nitrogen is there to help keep the oxygen from totaly blowing you up. nitrogen makes up more of whats in the air the oxygen. Nitrous oxide has more oxygen in it then regular air. You dont always have to add more fuel. Thats why they have dry shots. If you start to add bigger and bigger shots, yes you will need fuel to compensate for the large amount of air coming it.

Apeiron

It breaks down in the combustion chamber at around 300 degrees Celsius.

No, you're spraying nitrous oxide, which releases oxygen and nitrogen during combustion.

Yes you ALWAYS have to add more fuel. The difference between a wet and dry kit is that the wet kit uses it's own fuel enrichment system. The dry kit adds additional fuel through the normal fuel injection system, either by increasing the fuel pressure or increasing the injector duty cycle.

Token

lol, thank you. You kept me from a big explanation.

bigals87z28

thats what im saying... he was saying it breaks down in the bottle.

ERRR wtf... i know this, cause thats what i just said.


Holy crap.... the computer adds fuel.. you do not add fuel.

You just agreed with everything i just said before. Wow you guys are seriously in need of some reading skills. All the stuff you said, i have already said and then treat it as if i was saying something different.

Apeiron

Nothing was said about the bottle.

You never specifically mentioned the decomposition of nitrous oxide into its constituents. When you say "it does not break down!!! where does it break down? In the bottle?" it suggests that you are denying it breaks down at any time.

The point is that more fuel is required, which is not what was suggested by your statement.

Perhaps we agreed with everything you thought, but not with what you said. Some practice in communicating more clearly with others would avoid confusion in the future.

Getting back to the original point, nitrous oxide is not flammable. It is an oxidizer, not a fuel.

Token

I think this link sums it up:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechSer.../NOSTech5.html



Q: How does nitrous work?
A: Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F, nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process. Nitrous also has a tremendous "intercooling" effect by reducing intake charge temperatures by 60 to 75 degrees F.

Token

I think an 0WNED picture is approperiate for this argument, Al.



Office Space, anyone?

bigals87z28

explain to me how i got owned? From what I said, I was dead on. I was talking about how the nitrous could not break down in the bottle... i didnt not say it didnt not break down in the chamber, this is where the argument started on me saying the oxygen is what gives the power. Never did I say that. I was not wrong about the fuel adding as you do not have to add more fuel by use of tunning. You guys tool half the stuff I said that was sarcastic and actualy thought i ment it. By no means was I "owned" at all during this post.

Token

Just give up Al. You can't win, you've already embarrassed yourself. Let me explain.

I'd like to see where I ever mentioned the word "bottle" in this thread.

Oh, thats where YOU mentioned "bottle." I see, you're putting words in my mouth that came out of your own head.

Actually no, it doesn't always compensate for the added oxygen content. And what about carbeurated vehicles? Why do you think nitrous kits come with a fuel solenoid?

Oxygen will cause a fire to explode, but I'm sorry sir, but nitrous oxide is nonflammable. It has to be broken down first. "it does not break down!!!" comes to mind.

I hope that you were kidding. A vacuum would slow the car down. But this does not happen here. And nitrous is not used to make a car have a faster topspeed, like in movies.

This was the post that made me laugh. Nitrous has more oxygen content than the atmosphere (19.5%). So I dare you to fill a room with complete nitrous oxide and see how long it takes before you suffocate. You seem to think that nitrous oxide is just nitrogen and oxygen atoms floating around free. They are held by a molecular bond. They have to have energy added to break this bond. Apeiron made a comment about water burning... he was trying to hint at BEING BROKEN DOWN first.

Yes you did: "it does not break down!!! where does it break down?"


Maybe sarcasm and satire isn't your field of "funny." And nitrous oxide isn't your field of automotives. You're only digging your hole deeper. That's how you were owned.

Enabled5

aannd...

he never said that, he said...

and you never said it breaks down in the comb. chamber.

just quite urself and leave it alone, this is Flamethrowers anyways... why are you argueing over nitro?

redbird_400

Fun toy for the street races hehe... ~DONT STAND BEHIND MY CAR!!!!!! "screw you.. " What? DID YOU CURSE ME? hehe ok bud.. you asked for it.... ~

mw66nova

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oh boy...n2o is soooo cool.

Enabled5

lolz @ redbird