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Old 09-23-2011, 01:15 PM
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Non-SBC/BBC chevy swaps...

So basically what i wanna see is any non-SBC/BBC chevy engine swaps into thirdgen camaros...
i've seen in a magazine a 2JZ in a second gen camaro and the guy got flamed to no end for it but i thought it was an amazing feat and i just wanna see/hear what people have put into thirdgens...

oh and if there is something ridiculous like a duramax or supercharged ecotec, i wanna see that too...

the reason behind this is i recently procured a VG30DETT from a 300zx and it got me thinking of what that engine could do in my camaro...dont worry though, i'm not gonna try it...
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It can do about the same as a drop-in Chevy engine of the same power can, but with a lot more work.
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So basically what i wanna see is any non-SBC/BBC chevy engine swaps into thirdgen camaros...
Try a

Really, it does work.
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theres people on here with caddy engines, im sure ive seen a diesel in one, theres even a guy doing an ecotech swap right now. a search through the swap forum would yeild all the info you want.

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Re: Non-SBC/BBC chevy swaps...

There is something wrong with a diesel conversion on a Thirdgen to have a diesel sound coming from the car and when stepping on the loud peddle clouds of black smoke bellowing from the back of the car.In my mind it just doesn't fit the car.
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Never been outside the US? Diesel cars are all over the world and practically indistinguishable from gas in terms of noise and exhaust smoke.
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that and new deisel engines are quieter than ever and dont produce the clouds of black smoke anymore.
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As mentioned in many odd engine swaps, anything is possible if you have enough time, money and fabrication skills. Is it possible? Probably. It's it worth it? Probably not. That's not saying that some weird engine swap shouldn't be done but if you plan on doing such a thing, you're on your own as to what fits and how to make it work.

If you do successfully do a swap such as this then you do have something unusual to brag about and would make a good write up or possibly a magazine article. I've seen a lot of different types of engines swaps. Some are good ideas, many others are not. It all depends on what you want, not what someone else wants.
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Im doing a duramax right now no pics yet but in a few weeks ill start the thread still gathering parts money and research
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Originally Posted by lunati397
Im doing a duramax right now no pics yet but in a few weeks ill start the thread still gathering parts money and research
good luck, and cant wait
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There is something wrong with a diesel conversion on a Thirdgen to have a diesel sound coming from the car and when stepping on the loud peddle clouds of black smoke bellowing from the back of the car.In my mind it just doesn't fit the car.
thats all in tuning and most trucks tune for the smoke IMO its a waste of fuel

I would like to have my DMax swap done some time withing a year debateing if I should build the block now for over 1000 hp or get a stock one in tune it to about 600 hp 1200 ft lb tq and then build a second block
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Re: Non-SBC/BBC chevy swaps...

Well the Gale Banks stuff smokes like a banish and he is a well respected builder of diesels.
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they are all canned tunes with efi live it can be tuned to not be rediculous but yes there will be some smoke
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Re: Non-SBC/BBC chevy swaps...

Originally Posted by AlkyIROC
It all depends on what you want, not what someone else wants.
Amen to that...

I'm doing a turbocharged Ecotec Inline-4 swap. Using a 2.4L (LE5) bottom-end (built up with forged parts) and a 2.2L (L61) cylinder-head (offers more cam choices, no drive-by-wire, and no VVT). Add in some basic Ecotec performance upgrades and an Borg-Warner S256 turbocharger. Shooting for 350WHP out of the engine and suped-up Nissan 240SX performance and handling.

More here:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...4-3rd-gen.html

Personally, I think the Nissan VG30DETT would make a nice swap. Probably be better than some of the turbocharged 60* V6 builds. Would be even better with more power, too.
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I would do the 4 banger and focus on suspension and then you would have a light and amazing handling auto x car
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I've seen a 4 cylinder dragster run high 7 second 1/4 mile. Whole thing probably didn't weight more that 1400 pounds. A small engine that makes a lot of power can be a better choice than a big heavy engine making around the same hp per CID. Of course a small engine trying to move the heavy weight of a full size car isn't going to be as good as a big engine trying to do it. You need that torque more than HP.
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lunati397,

I've already planned on a full coil-over suspension set-up for the car. Pretty much anything Spohn makes for suspension and chasis, will probably find its way onto my car.

AlkyIROC,

It'll all depend on the weight of the car after the swap is done, and it's fully built. I'm also planning on a Harwood fiberglass front-clip, fiberglass hood, the notchback conversion (I like the look, without a spoiler on it), and a rhino-lined interior instead of insulation and carpeting. For a street-car, I'll be pleased if the whole package is under 3,000lbs. Personally, I think it will be more like 2,800lbs., or maybe less. We'll see.

And, if I don't like the Ecotec in my Camaro, I can always put it in my Cobalt.
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Re: Non-SBC/BBC chevy swaps...

I looked into swapping a 6BT into my motor home.All diesel engines do have a heavy wt.The 6BT as a example is over 1,000 lbs.It is what makes them durable.The early 5.7 diesels are/where junk converted Olds engines that are prone to cracked heads and head gasket issues.
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