'FIRST'intake afr 195 383 tpi build.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Man.... Crower and Jones take for ever to get back to a dude! Still waiting for a reply.
I've been doing a bit more research on cam selection and i think I'd like to try something similar to comps xfi grinds of 224/230 or one step up to the 230/236, both on a 113 or 114 grind. Through some research, i have noticed some guys complaining of heavy valve train noises, and lots of valve train stress/ware due to the big lift in the xfi type profiles.
My question is, do these high lift aggressive profile benefit me much, or can I get the same results in a xr series which employ the same type of duration numbers but utilize a lower lift value. Something in the the .510 range using 1.5 will give me .544 with 1.6 rockers, and .561 with 1.65.
What would be easier on the valvetrain, smaller lift bumped up with rockers, or high cam lift with smaller ratio rockers.
And would using the small lift cam and high ratio rockers lessen engine noise?
I've been doing a bit more research on cam selection and i think I'd like to try something similar to comps xfi grinds of 224/230 or one step up to the 230/236, both on a 113 or 114 grind. Through some research, i have noticed some guys complaining of heavy valve train noises, and lots of valve train stress/ware due to the big lift in the xfi type profiles.
My question is, do these high lift aggressive profile benefit me much, or can I get the same results in a xr series which employ the same type of duration numbers but utilize a lower lift value. Something in the the .510 range using 1.5 will give me .544 with 1.6 rockers, and .561 with 1.65.
What would be easier on the valvetrain, smaller lift bumped up with rockers, or high cam lift with smaller ratio rockers.
And would using the small lift cam and high ratio rockers lessen engine noise?
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Not yet, I will call them in the morning.
Other dilema! Roller rockers for 7/16 studs non self guiding narrow body for stock centre bolt covers? I can only find one brand, crower.
Anyone know of other options? Don't really want to jump down to 3/8 stud but want to maintain factory covers.
Thx
Other dilema! Roller rockers for 7/16 studs non self guiding narrow body for stock centre bolt covers? I can only find one brand, crower.
Anyone know of other options? Don't really want to jump down to 3/8 stud but want to maintain factory covers.
Thx
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Not yet, I will call them in the morning.
Other dilema! Roller rockers for 7/16 studs non self guiding narrow body for stock centre bolt covers? I can only find one brand, crower.
Anyone know of other options? Don't really want to jump down to 3/8 stud but want to maintain factory covers.
Thx
Other dilema! Roller rockers for 7/16 studs non self guiding narrow body for stock centre bolt covers? I can only find one brand, crower.
Anyone know of other options? Don't really want to jump down to 3/8 stud but want to maintain factory covers.
Thx
What's your hesitation with guide plates? They are cheap enough.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
My heads have the 7/16 studs so I was trying to keep the guides and studs that are already on the heads. My choice of narrow, non SA, 7/16 rockers is dismal, crower and $270 for only eight! I think I should run all 16?
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I have guide plates, typo above, should have said non self aligning rockers.
My heads have the 7/16 studs so I was trying to keep the guides and studs that are already on the heads. My choice of narrow, non SA, 7/16 rockers is dismal, crower and $270 for only eight! I think I should run all 16?
My heads have the 7/16 studs so I was trying to keep the guides and studs that are already on the heads. My choice of narrow, non SA, 7/16 rockers is dismal, crower and $270 for only eight! I think I should run all 16?
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
the Crowers I saw were stainless steel. Looked up the mags from Comp and none in the narrow body style for centre bolt style. I"m going to keep looking, but pickins are slim!
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Through some research, i have noticed some guys complaining of heavy valve train noises, and lots of valve train stress/ware due to the big lift in the xfi type profiles.
My question is, do these high lift aggressive profile benefit me much, or can I get the same results in a xr series which employ the same type of duration numbers but utilize a lower lift value. Something in the the .510 range using 1.5 will give me .544 with 1.6 rockers, and .561 with 1.65.
My question is, do these high lift aggressive profile benefit me much, or can I get the same results in a xr series which employ the same type of duration numbers but utilize a lower lift value. Something in the the .510 range using 1.5 will give me .544 with 1.6 rockers, and .561 with 1.65.
Higher rpms some of the bigger duration cams will give you will need a fair amount of spring pressure and are alot harder on valve springs. Also require a good lifter. Morels are the best out from what I been reading, and I have ordered a set for my motor to possibly replace the LS7's i have been using with great success.
For a head that flows well to .600", i think your doing yourself a favor by getting lift that high as long as the intake can support the flow of the head.
Custom cam grinders will need to look at the complete lift curve of the cam lobe to determine the best fit for the application. My custom cam was abit over .600" lift and used comp cams high lift magnum lobes which are generally considered less aggressive lobes..but the higher lift lobes are much more aggressive since they move the lifter much faster than the standard lift magnum lobes. It offered good power to 6800 rpm and I had good valvetrain control.
What would be easier on the valvetrain, smaller lift bumped up with rockers, or high cam lift with smaller ratio rockers.
And would using the small lift cam and high ratio rockers lessen engine noise?
And would using the small lift cam and high ratio rockers lessen engine noise?
I do know cams that have high lift and require lots of spring pressure to control are tougher on springs than cam lobes that are abit more gentle off the seat and thru the lift range.
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All this talk about valve trains....here's a few thoughts.
Use the LS7 roller lifters are more than adequate for what you're doing. Hell, I'm running them in my SBC 427. Like injectors, valves, lifters are made only in a few factories around the world. These are $125 a set and will provide everything you need. Use your existing spider and go.
Second, rocker ratio. The higher the ratio the quicker your response time is going to be. It ramps up past low lift faster. 1.6 is actually old school at this point, many people are running 1.7,1.8, 1.9. The read advantage is it moves you through low lift faster and takes you to more lift sooner.
As to springs and stuff....eh... there's not going to be a world of difference between these components you're worried about, and valve float isn't going to be a real issue unless you start approaching 7000 RPM. Your cam will drop power before valve float is an issue.
Again, talk to the cam manufacturer. Tell them what you want, how you want the car to run. What rocker ratio you plan on using. If Crower is unresponsive, talk to Bullet.
As to your valve cover issue, maybe you'll have to get off the centerbolt valve covers and go with a perimeter bolt. Not the end of the world.
Use the LS7 roller lifters are more than adequate for what you're doing. Hell, I'm running them in my SBC 427. Like injectors, valves, lifters are made only in a few factories around the world. These are $125 a set and will provide everything you need. Use your existing spider and go.
Second, rocker ratio. The higher the ratio the quicker your response time is going to be. It ramps up past low lift faster. 1.6 is actually old school at this point, many people are running 1.7,1.8, 1.9. The read advantage is it moves you through low lift faster and takes you to more lift sooner.
As to springs and stuff....eh... there's not going to be a world of difference between these components you're worried about, and valve float isn't going to be a real issue unless you start approaching 7000 RPM. Your cam will drop power before valve float is an issue.
Again, talk to the cam manufacturer. Tell them what you want, how you want the car to run. What rocker ratio you plan on using. If Crower is unresponsive, talk to Bullet.
As to your valve cover issue, maybe you'll have to get off the centerbolt valve covers and go with a perimeter bolt. Not the end of the world.
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Man.... Crower and Jones take for ever to get back to a dude! Still waiting for a reply.
Try speedtalk.com and PM him on that message board. He is CamKing on that board.
Also try chevelles.com and PM UDHarold---designed cams for lunati and founded UltraDyne cams which was pretty big. My buddy runs a cam from him in his AFr 210cc/406 minram motor and he runs 10.6's at 130 on motor alone. 9.8's on some spray at over 141mph.
Could also give bret bauer a ring. He did my 383 cam and it was awesome. Different than what most gave but it was awesome and did what i wanted it to do. www.bauer-racing.com
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Could also give bret bauer a ring. He did my 383 cam and it was awesome. Different than what most gave but it was awesome and did what i wanted it to do. www.bauer-racing.com
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
How did you contact jones? Did you call him or did you go to another forum and ask him?
Try speedtalk.com and PM him on that message board. He is CamKing on that board.
Also try chevelles.com and PM UDHarold---designed cams for lunati and founded UltraDyne cams which was pretty big. My buddy runs a cam from him in his AFr 210cc/406 minram motor and he runs 10.6's at 130 on motor alone. 9.8's on some spray at over 141mph.
Could also give bret bauer a ring. He did my 383 cam and it was awesome. Different than what most gave but it was awesome and did what i wanted it to do. www.bauer-racing.com
Try speedtalk.com and PM him on that message board. He is CamKing on that board.
Also try chevelles.com and PM UDHarold---designed cams for lunati and founded UltraDyne cams which was pretty big. My buddy runs a cam from him in his AFr 210cc/406 minram motor and he runs 10.6's at 130 on motor alone. 9.8's on some spray at over 141mph.
Could also give bret bauer a ring. He did my 383 cam and it was awesome. Different than what most gave but it was awesome and did what i wanted it to do. www.bauer-racing.com
Thx.
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I mean different as far as what other cam experts gave. I had an idea of the cam I wanted to run but I ran it past bret to see his opinion. Most of the setups I had researched were LT1 383 strokers. I figured with slightly longer runner length, maybe the cam overlap and some valve events would change slightly but did not expect it to come out the way it did. His LT1 grinds were 4 deg split 107-108lsa cams, with same/similar intake duration. LE3 LT1 grinds were in the 238/242 range So I was expecting similar ...236/240 or so and so did other cam grinders. It came back 230/245 Again not what I was expecting based on his previous work and not what other cam grinders recommended, but it worked well for the goals I had...run like a C5z06 on motor, like a C6Z06 on spray. I was just shocked the LT1 intakes were so different than the HSR intake, as the rest of the motor was same as most LT1 383's
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Type of cam desired (hyd roller, solid roller, retrofit or oem capable? etc)
heads, intake, compression, cubes being used.
intake flow of heads at all lifts if possible, valve sizes, spring rates if using a spring you already have and ask for recommendations if need new springs, runner length of intake manifold, TB flow/size, desired rpm range for peak torque/hp, exhaust type, header information from tube size/primary length/collector size, etc.
car weight/auto or manual trans, converter stall if known already but usually not, gearing if known but usually not.
More details the better.
Build the engine and then set the car up around the motor. Gearing/converter spec'd to the motors performance, etc.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Does Bauer cut his own cams or does he bring them in from elsewhere?
I have all my info ready to go.
I have all my info ready to go.
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He specs his own grinds, but has others cut the cam. Not sure who all he uses, but mine came from comp cams. Lobes were almost exactly like the magnum high lift lobes in comp's catalog.
Thing about Bret is he wont give you specs of the cam unless you buy it. Not a big deal since it will get the job done.
Thing about Bret is he wont give you specs of the cam unless you buy it. Not a big deal since it will get the job done.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
I can see why everyone hits the "Easy Button" with comp cams. Just sayin, you shouldn't have to pull strings to get a camshaft.
The LSr style grinds have super aggressive lobes and I'd wager the custom FI lobe you get is a lot like them.
IMO the best way to "steal their thunder" would be using a solid roller.
Stainless rockers look like the way to go but you are right gbayfisher the pickings are slim. I took a chance with ProComp stainless I'll let you know if I ever have a pushrod or two hanging out of my hood.
The LSr style grinds have super aggressive lobes and I'd wager the custom FI lobe you get is a lot like them.
IMO the best way to "steal their thunder" would be using a solid roller.
Stainless rockers look like the way to go but you are right gbayfisher the pickings are slim. I took a chance with ProComp stainless I'll let you know if I ever have a pushrod or two hanging out of my hood.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
I've run standard run of the mill Comp Pro Mag 1.6s for years. Not narrow body. You just have to 'smash' the baffle down a bit in the valvecovers. Nothing a pair of channel locks won't take care of. I use non-self aligning with the 7/16 stud.
I saw that on the XFI grinds that the valve train was sometimes an issue. I opted for the older Extreme Energy series to get away from it. I've turned my engine to 6k rpm a few times and it hasn't floated and I'm not running anything super-light for valves.
On the lifters, I'm running the LS7s. Cheap from Summit. 130 bucks or so for the set. They are a bit noisy. I had to run the valves a second time after firing the engine. Look around for what people recommend for the lash setting(past 0 lash). I always went 0.5 turns past 0 lash in the past. Think I took these to 1 turn now...but I don't recall.
I saw that on the XFI grinds that the valve train was sometimes an issue. I opted for the older Extreme Energy series to get away from it. I've turned my engine to 6k rpm a few times and it hasn't floated and I'm not running anything super-light for valves.
On the lifters, I'm running the LS7s. Cheap from Summit. 130 bucks or so for the set. They are a bit noisy. I had to run the valves a second time after firing the engine. Look around for what people recommend for the lash setting(past 0 lash). I always went 0.5 turns past 0 lash in the past. Think I took these to 1 turn now...but I don't recall.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
I can see why everyone hits the "Easy Button" with comp cams. Just sayin, you shouldn't have to pull strings to get a camshaft.
The LSr style grinds have super aggressive lobes and I'd wager the custom FI lobe you get is a lot like them.
IMO the best way to "steal their thunder" would be using a solid roller.
Stainless rockers look like the way to go but you are right gbayfisher the pickings are slim. I took a chance with ProComp stainless I'll let you know if I ever have a pushrod or two hanging out of my hood.
The LSr style grinds have super aggressive lobes and I'd wager the custom FI lobe you get is a lot like them.
IMO the best way to "steal their thunder" would be using a solid roller.
Stainless rockers look like the way to go but you are right gbayfisher the pickings are slim. I took a chance with ProComp stainless I'll let you know if I ever have a pushrod or two hanging out of my hood.
` I hear you on the easy button for comp, got a hold of Bullet today, I 'll dig it out and post.
I've run standard run of the mill Comp Pro Mag 1.6s for years. Not narrow body. You just have to 'smash' the baffle down a bit in the valvecovers. Nothing a pair of channel locks won't take care of. I use non-self aligning with the 7/16 stud.
Thats good to hear, I thought I read something about modifing the baffles. I may try it out.
I saw that on the XFI grinds that the valve train was sometimes an issue. I opted for the older Extreme Energy series to get away from it. I've turned my engine to 6k rpm a few times and it hasn't floated and I'm not running anything super-light for valves.
On the lifters, I'm running the LS7s. Cheap from Summit. 130 bucks or so for the set. They are a bit noisy. I had to run the valves a second time after firing the engine. Look around for what people recommend for the lash setting(past 0 lash). I always went 0.5 turns past 0 lash in the past. Think I took these to 1 turn now...but I don't recall.
Thats good to hear, I thought I read something about modifing the baffles. I may try it out.
I saw that on the XFI grinds that the valve train was sometimes an issue. I opted for the older Extreme Energy series to get away from it. I've turned my engine to 6k rpm a few times and it hasn't floated and I'm not running anything super-light for valves.
On the lifters, I'm running the LS7s. Cheap from Summit. 130 bucks or so for the set. They are a bit noisy. I had to run the valves a second time after firing the engine. Look around for what people recommend for the lash setting(past 0 lash). I always went 0.5 turns past 0 lash in the past. Think I took these to 1 turn now...but I don't recall.
thx
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
As I've said in prior posts, I contacted Lunati about their 'Voodoo' cam profiles and they offered a custom grind in the 227/233 range(somewhere right in there). If I had it to do over, I'd go that route. What Orr is saying would be a great intermediate cam as well between my 'stump puller' and the 230/236 cam.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
As I've said in prior posts, I contacted Lunati about their 'Voodoo' cam profiles and they offered a custom grind in the 227/233 range(somewhere right in there). If I had it to do over, I'd go that route. What Orr is saying would be a great intermediate cam as well between my 'stump puller' and the 230/236 cam.
That voodoo profile sounds like its in the pocket!
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Voodoo offers the 'cool' name...Orr is talking about some custom grind from someone else...
Lunati I would call, if you email it will take them a month to respond...which is why I didn't go with them. I got rammy and didn't want to wait.
Lunati I would call, if you email it will take them a month to respond...which is why I didn't go with them. I got rammy and didn't want to wait.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
messed up on the multi quote> first reply was for orrs post!
i'll give Lunati a call
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It's not as diverse as many people think. Many times, you're paying for labels, but it's hard to convince people of that.
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You would be SHOCKED to learn how incestuous this industry is. Lifters are made in only a couple factories. Castings are done in a handful of foundries. Valves are in 3 factories around the world..
It's not as diverse as many people think. Many times, you're paying for labels, but it's hard to convince people of that.
It's not as diverse as many people think. Many times, you're paying for labels, but it's hard to convince people of that.
Power tool industry is also shrinking, along with home electronics. Its the 'NEW" small world we live in!
As long as the day never comes that when I buy a GM I am really buying a Toyota! lol
OH shiza.... already happened with the Matrix and Vibe!
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This not only happens in the auto industry!
Power tool industry is also shrinking, along with home electronics. Its the 'NEW" small world we live in!
As long as the day never comes that when I buy a GM I am really buying a Toyota! lol
OH shiza.... already happened with the Matrix and Vibe!
Power tool industry is also shrinking, along with home electronics. Its the 'NEW" small world we live in!
As long as the day never comes that when I buy a GM I am really buying a Toyota! lol
OH shiza.... already happened with the Matrix and Vibe!
On the consolidation...I knew Federal Mogul sucked up a lot of smaller companies. I assume Comp sucked up Lunati. If you look at front suspension components....they're all made by the same company almost unless it comes out of China. Moog, Dana, and Federal Mogul(I believe) all use the same p/n components. Moog still has their 'ultra' idler arm though.
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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/orga...-1-8-pass.html
1.7 60 foot with a 7.7 at 92mph 1/8 mile. My 383 did 7.31 at 93.5 mph on a 1.55 60 foot. Thats 11.47 at 118.5mph.
He drops that 60 foot down where it should be, and he'd be an easy 7.5's car and thats a mid high 11 second pass at 115-116mph. It has strong powerband all over. Good top end with HSR and that cam
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Wife and I bought a Vibe in late 03. Got 190k trouble free miles out of it...sure couldn't complain. Of course, during the recall, I confirmed it had a cable actuated throttle.
On the consolidation...I knew Federal Mogul sucked up a lot of smaller companies. I assume Comp sucked up Lunati. If you look at front suspension components....they're all made by the same company almost unless it comes out of China. Moog, Dana, and Federal Mogul(I believe) all use the same p/n components. Moog still has their 'ultra' idler arm though.
On the consolidation...I knew Federal Mogul sucked up a lot of smaller companies. I assume Comp sucked up Lunati. If you look at front suspension components....they're all made by the same company almost unless it comes out of China. Moog, Dana, and Federal Mogul(I believe) all use the same p/n components. Moog still has their 'ultra' idler arm though.
He ordered LS7 lifters that said "GM PERFORMANCE" $500 and change.
I told him no Pat, try this part number. $125. From AC Delco.
Even he admitted he couldn't tell them apart...
There's so much hype in this business...
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Pat Musi built my engine, arguably one of the top builders in the world.
He ordered LS7 lifters that said "GM PERFORMANCE" $500 and change.
I told him no Pat, try this part number. $125. From AC Delco.
Even he admitted he couldn't tell them apart...
There's so much hype in this business...
He ordered LS7 lifters that said "GM PERFORMANCE" $500 and change.
I told him no Pat, try this part number. $125. From AC Delco.
Even he admitted he couldn't tell them apart...
There's so much hype in this business...
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
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1.7 60 foot with a 7.7 at 92mph 1/8 mile. My 383 did 7.31 at 93.5 mph on a 1.55 60 foot. Thats 11.47 at 118.5mph.
He drops that 60 foot down where it should be, and he'd be an easy 7.5's car and thats a mid high 11 second pass at 115-116mph. It has strong powerband all over. Good top end with HSR and that cam
Voodoo cams are good grinds. I think they were developed by Harold from ultradyne. Great cam guy. That 227/233 voodoo wouldnt be a bad choice for a first TPI or HSR setup. Not a super high revving setup but potent enough for 11's
1.7 60 foot with a 7.7 at 92mph 1/8 mile. My 383 did 7.31 at 93.5 mph on a 1.55 60 foot. Thats 11.47 at 118.5mph.
He drops that 60 foot down where it should be, and he'd be an easy 7.5's car and thats a mid high 11 second pass at 115-116mph. It has strong powerband all over. Good top end with HSR and that cam
Voodoo cams are good grinds. I think they were developed by Harold from ultradyne. Great cam guy. That 227/233 voodoo wouldnt be a bad choice for a first TPI or HSR setup. Not a super high revving setup but potent enough for 11's
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
He ordered LS7 lifters that said "GM PERFORMANCE" $500 and change.
I told him no Pat, try this part number. $125. From AC Delco.
Even he admitted he couldn't tell them apart...
I told him no Pat, try this part number. $125. From AC Delco.
Even he admitted he couldn't tell them apart...
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
I am interested to see what cam bullet suggest since it seems most of us are saying about the same.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
i dont understand why you cant get in touch with mike, i just emailed him the other day and got a response back within 1 hour time, he forgot to put my cam card in the cam box i got from him. If you want his email i can provide that for ya, or do what orr said, go on speedtalk
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Car: 1987 Trans am GTA
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
i dont understand why you cant get in touch with mike, i just emailed him the other day and got a response back within 1 hour time, he forgot to put my cam card in the cam box i got from him. If you want his email i can provide that for ya, or do what orr said, go on speedtalk
Bullet came back at a 218/226 on a 112 .525/.525 using 1.6 rr, for a 2-2200 stall and 3.23 gears.
He'd really like to see 2400-2800 stall and a 3..73 gear to get a
226/234 on 112 and .565 using 1.6.
pretty close to what most guys recommended. The difference is going to be the detail in the little things.
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If you dont mind pm it to me. What does he typically charge for his cams?
Bullet came back at a 218/226 on a 112 .525/.525 using 1.6 rr, for a 2-2200 stall and 3.23 gears.
He'd really like to see 2400-2800 stall and a 3..73 gear to get a
226/234 on 112 and .565 using 1.6.
pretty close to what most guys recommended. The difference is going to be the detail in the little things.
Bullet came back at a 218/226 on a 112 .525/.525 using 1.6 rr, for a 2-2200 stall and 3.23 gears.
He'd really like to see 2400-2800 stall and a 3..73 gear to get a
226/234 on 112 and .565 using 1.6.
pretty close to what most guys recommended. The difference is going to be the detail in the little things.
Where did he say that would put your power?
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
"My Custom Grind came out to be 330ish"
That is more in line of what I was thinking and if a good exhaust system a single pattern cam. With AFR 195 Eliminators I would be looking for peak lift of around .570". With the AFR 195 Competition heads I would be looking for peak lift of around .600".
That is more in line of what I was thinking and if a good exhaust system a single pattern cam. With AFR 195 Eliminators I would be looking for peak lift of around .570". With the AFR 195 Competition heads I would be looking for peak lift of around .600".
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
That is more in line of what I was thinking and if a good exhaust system a single pattern cam. With AFR 195 Eliminators I would be looking for peak lift of around .570". With the AFR 195 Competition heads I would be looking for peak lift of around .600".
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Got a hold of Mike Jones today. Very nice guy and knows his $hit!
We went through the build today and he spec'd me a cam. I am going to email him all the exact flow rates and anything else I can find. Just to make sure and finalize everything.
So far looks like it'll be in the range of;
224-227 intake depending on rockers,
exhaust duration will be very close if not equal to intake ,
lift in the .550-.565 range
112- lsa ( I am trying to talk him into a 113, hehe!
looking for around a 5800 peak, and running 2400-2800 stall.
We went through the build today and he spec'd me a cam. I am going to email him all the exact flow rates and anything else I can find. Just to make sure and finalize everything.
So far looks like it'll be in the range of;
224-227 intake depending on rockers,
exhaust duration will be very close if not equal to intake ,
lift in the .550-.565 range
112- lsa ( I am trying to talk him into a 113, hehe!
looking for around a 5800 peak, and running 2400-2800 stall.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Yes he does. We have 3 cars running with his cams and they have been right on. A 4th car is waiting for the motor to be dropped in. I would lean towards the 227 and the .565" lift. I had one of his 228/228 .570" lift cams in my 355 and it ran good and idled very nicely. Sold that motor and now have a 368 SBC with Mikes 233/233 cams. Going on the dyno Saturday. This one also idles quite well.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Yes he does. We have 3 cars running with his cams and they have been right on. A 4th car is waiting for the motor to be dropped in. I would lean towards the 227 and the .565" lift. I had one of his 228/228 .570" lift cams in my 355 and it ran good and idled very nicely. Sold that motor and now have a 368 SBC with Mikes 233/233 cams. Going on the dyno Saturday. This one also idles quite well.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
Got a hold of Mike Jones today. Very nice guy and knows his $hit!
We went through the build today and he spec'd me a cam. I am going to email him all the exact flow rates and anything else I can find. Just to make sure and finalize everything.
So far looks like it'll be in the range of;
224-227 intake depending on rockers,
exhaust duration will be very close if not equal to intake ,
lift in the .550-.565 range
112- lsa ( I am trying to talk him into a 113, hehe!
looking for around a 5800 peak, and running 2400-2800 stall.
We went through the build today and he spec'd me a cam. I am going to email him all the exact flow rates and anything else I can find. Just to make sure and finalize everything.
So far looks like it'll be in the range of;
224-227 intake depending on rockers,
exhaust duration will be very close if not equal to intake ,
lift in the .550-.565 range
112- lsa ( I am trying to talk him into a 113, hehe!
looking for around a 5800 peak, and running 2400-2800 stall.
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Re: afr 195 for 350 or 383 tpi?
I knew you'd say that. Funny, i am just getting the email out to him with all my specs, I am going to talk to him in the morning about the second choice we discussed briefly.
Do you have the pricing on the First intake?