Pillsbry10

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bump for some freaking progress!

Fallen2603

LOL! Donations are still very welcome!

Pillsbry10

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haha id give you 1.00 ....nothing new?

Fallen2603

Oh, YEAH! I just needed one more dollar! HALLE-****ING-LUJAH!

No, still saving up for that TKO-500. Wish someone had one, used, that they weren't using anymore, but I ain't that lucky. LOL!

Pillsbry10

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i imagine they are around somewhere but probably not much cheaper than a new one.

there are remans on ebay for 1500.00

Fallen2603

Yeah, and I'm not crazy about buying a "used" manual transmission. I've seen plenty of people out there who say they know how to drive stick, but they really don't.

Those are the Ford TKO-500's. Different input-shafts. They do have the correct bellhousing bolt-pattern, I think, but I know that spline-count is wrong.

I need the GM TKO-500...

Pillsbry10

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i thought i had seen a chevy one

Fallen2603

I'll look into it, but I suspect that, while there are a couple that have the GM 26-spline input-shaft, the input-shaft is the longer Ford-style.

I'll ask, and see what they have to say...

lunati397

dont you hate waiting for cash to fund your projects cant wait to see yours done and see how it goes im doing the polar oposite swap but i bet ill get better MPG im shooting for mid 30s

lunati397

dont know if you had one yet or wanted another
http://lubbock.craigslist.org/pts/2722944419.html

lolvtec

can you mod this? i know the motor your using is alot newer but you never know

Fallen2603

lunati397,

Yeah, I hate waiting for the cash to roll in...LOL!

That supercharger could work for a twin-charging scenario, but, by itself, It would be lucky to max out at 250WHP.

lolvtec,

I know I could do stuff with the Iron Duke 2.5L, but there isn't nearly as much support for the motor. There's a lot more aftermarket for the Ecotec family. I think there was someone on here who was contemplating a hopped-up Iron Duke set-up, though.

travis401

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that thing looks tiny in there. im sure with the right parts a boosted iron duke could lay down some respectable numbers.

Fallen2603

Well, I know the naturally-aspirated Iron Duke SuperBird, article posted previously in this thread, was putting out 270-ish HP. A turbo or supercharger would really wake that thing up, if the stock components could handle the boost.

I honestly don't know much about the Iron Duke...

travis401

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stock parts, doubtful. but im sure someone crafty could find better than stock parts that would work in the duke, and handle some boost.

Fallen2603

And, according to this:

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ma...oupe/1982.html

The Iron Duke '82 Camaro had a curb weight of 2,855lbs with the manual transmission. Not a bad place to start...

I think the SuperBird weighed in at around 2,700lbs after some weight-reduction.

Fallen2603

Eh, some custom forged connecting-rods, pistons, and valvespring set-up would probably make it strong enough for some low-level boost.

Almost wish I could find an Iron Duke Camaro someday, now, too. LOL!

Thirdgen89GTA

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Superbird was a good article. They got about 100hp/L naturally aspirated out of the motor, which for 1982 was actually pretty amazing.

If I had 100hp per liter my car would be making 570hp.

http://home.comcast.net/~thirdgen89g.../Superbird.pdf

If you got the 3.2L setup and the right head/cam you could have a 320hp SD Iron Duke in 1982.

Fallen2603

Exactly...LOL!

What's this 3.2L set-up you mentioned? Like I said, clueless about Iron Duke's...

Thirdgen89GTA

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Its in the article I posted in the previous post. Part#'s and everything. But the PN#s are from 1982 so.....they are probably useless now.

82tarecaro

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I am really curious how they got that much HP out of that Iron Duke. I had that slug in an old Buick Skylark. While I could not kill it, (I even drove it without oil) it could not get out of its own way. There had to be a reason why that SD Iron Duke program never went anywhere.

lolvtec

i had a duke in a s10 truck 5 speed it would burn a tire... in the snow... up a hill...

travis401

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both ways?

82tarecaro

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LOL

robertfrank

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were you ever late to school? hahaha

travis401

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was grandpa in the truck with you?

Fallen2603

Oh, I didn't know the SD Iron Duke was a bored and stroked Iron Duke. Just figured it was the same displacement...

Eh, there have been a lot of programs that have died due to lack of customer interest. LOL!

LMAO! I doubt it was both ways, or...was the tire in a puddle of gasoline that you just threw a cigarette butt into?

lolvtec

lol eff you guys

yager

There are a few pics of my eco swap into my jeep, i made side engine mounts using large leaf spring bushings and plates etc..

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=956020

I'm working on getting it running now..

gp90gta

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Subscribing!

Fallen2603

yager,

Thanks, and nice thread! I'd be more than happy with mounts like that, I think. I'll probably be out in the garage fiddling with cardboard and **** when I actually get the engine and transmission package into the engine-bay. Someday...


Oh, I saw something about this power-steering-pump:
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/gm-eco...-pump-kit.html
Had some questions...possibly stupid ones, so, please, bear with me. LOL!
Is this set-up meant to bolt to the front of the engine?
And, do you think it would work with the power-steering in a 3rd-Gen F-body?


The only other solution I could come up with is to fab up some kind of power-steering-pump mount on the front of the engine...

yager

The PSC steering setup is meant to bolt to the side. IIRC it bolts down low opposite the A/C pump. I think they developed that to run their standard HP pumps.

Also the solstice/Sky had a factory side mounted pump that bolts low under the water pump and is run with an extra pulley/belt. (see pic in my thread)
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attac...4&d=1297518783
They had firewall space issues in that car being it was a conventional RWD car.

I need room up front for axle/link travel and had just enough room on the back of the head.

Will the PSC pump work for you.. without question, yes. PSC makes setups to push enough volume and pressure to run full hydraulic steering systems on 4x4 rigs. A car would be np... The stock TC style pump, is similar to pumps used on TJs with the same saginaw 800 series steering box. Not to steer you away from a PSC setup. I just don't think it is needed, maybe if your turning high RPMs racing all day otherwise, IMHO I think you'd be just fine with a regular pump, either head mounted or the solstice style.

Keep up the good work !!! I've subscribed...

I forgot I may not have updated my eco thread, i did drill/tap the left side mounts out to the larger 10mm size. So it now matches all the other mounting bosses.

Fallen2603

yager,

LOL! Sorry, I meant on the side(s) on the front-end of the engine. And, now, I do feel a little foolish! I don't know why I didn't think to check if the Solstice/Sky used a PS-pump like that!

I'm liking the Solstice/Sky PS-pump idea a lot more. It's about half the price. Don't like that it's on the opposite side of the engine, compared to a stock 3rd-Gen F-body, but I can deal with that. Only thing that might stop me from going this route is not enough room between the engine and the K-member, if the engine ends up being that short in the engine-bay...

Do you think the Solstice/Sky PS-pump would be compatible with the Saginaw-style PS-pump system that came in the 3rd-Gen F-body? It looks about right...to me.

yager

Other than possibly adapting some hoses or fittings, I think the pump would be fine. The pump spec for a 2005 cavalier is 1.95/2.35 GPM and 1300/1400 PSI I think you will be fine.. I would not waste to much time on this part of your project... Worst case you can always tweak the pump if needed for more flow and/or pressure.

Fallen2603

yager,

No, the PS-pump is not one of the critical points of my project. That would be MONEY. LOL!

Thanks for the information, though! That will come in very handy later on.

ls1camaro92

Hat off to this as far as its gotten, I like the idea of actually putting motors in just about anything really, so you ran out of cash and is waiting on the bill, well to bad you aint over here in Iraq, it cost close to $1 Billion dollars to close each base as it leaves hundreds of vehicles, yards of containers full of materials and all the structures built left behind for FREE to the public. Now that's our hard money at work. Now that's a lot of LS blocks I see go to waste and wishing I can send them home. They would prison me if I did but they would be happier to give it away to a locals. bahumbug. Well anyhow. Hopefully there will be a squeeze in the nipple to get some cash to get this project rolling. Would love to see more of this, now that its about to be a new year. Happy New years every buddy.

lunati397

LOL dont get me started on DRMO in theater when I left KAF in Oct I walked through a old camp and was counting up the amount of money just sitting rotting away in scrap copper aluminium ect it made me sick

AND all the half blown up vehicles motors trans I wish I could have a few pallets to myself back in 2005 we brought back a john deer gator in pieces and a buddy put it back together and uses it on his farm

Fallen2603

LMAO! Oh, HELL YEAH! I almost wish I could go back to Iraq or the Stan as a civilian-contractor to make some money for this! Let alone find a way to smuggle back some of that **** we're leaving over there! I'D BE RICH, BITCH!

ls1camaro92

Believe me, you would throw up 10 fold over and over from all the stuff that was left behind, I'm still here but finally throwing in the towel as a contractor. Been all around here to Tikrit, Kirkuk, Mosul, Kalsu, Bahgdad and my favorite Al Taji. I know so much but I'm pretty sure you can google to NOT find the complete truth but if you had my eyes. WOW. So I'm with you on that boat, anyone can be rich from all the crap just given away, but I wouldn't recommend being a contractor, Just pretend your a local national and you'll get a $400,000.00 30K Volvo Forklift for free. No problem. But anyhow, Lets move forward on whats good. Come on Uncle Sam, milk it for the project.... lol

Fallen2603

LOL! Good times! I was mostly in the Al Anbar province. Fallujah, some Baghdad, some Al Amar. I don't miss that place.

They won't let me be a contractor, anyways. Apparently, they don't like my medical discharge status. Maybe I'll sue for discriminating against a disable veteran. That could make me some money...LOL!

LOL! I'd just be happy if Uncle Sam didn't keep finding ways not to give me my G.I. Bill money!

lunati397

TAJI had a cinabun MMMM I was stranded there for a few days when I went there to fix one of my helos lived with the fire dept while I was there

Im on the list for the DRMO in KAF no good to me know it took 4 months to go through then I left I was going to start pulling motors


stuff is so lost over there too we needed a AT 10k forklift and were jumping through hoops to get one the right way I drove around base found a unit that had two checked the reg numbers and it was actually our forklift that we left there years before LOL showed them the paperwork they got pissed and handed over a well kept CAT AT10K

Fallen2603

LOL! Yeah, but I have to fight tooth and nail to get the benefits I EARNED or pay more taxes so that we can keep our government running?! ARE THEY ****ING SERIOUS?!

Can't wait for ANARCHY...

Sick92

If you are going to do this swap, go with the LSJ motor from the t/c cobalts. ZZP offers kits that can make the engine go up to 450hp~ +

Fallen2603

Sick92,

I believe you are confused.

The LSJ is the supercharged 2.0L motor found in the 2005-07 Cobalt SS Supercharged. These motors usually ring in at about $1,200+ from a junkyard, and that's without the supercharger or laminova-core intake-manifold. These motors use the "1st Gen" block, which is weaker, and the internals are going to be pushed to the limits at 450hp.

The LNF is the turbocharged 2.0L motor found in the 2008-10 Cobalt SS Turbocharged. These motors usually ring in at $2,000+ from a junkyard, and that's without the turbocharger. These motors use the "2nd Gen" block, which is much stronger, but still barely capable of 450hp. Same with the internals.

By starting with the LE5 block, the stronger "2nd Gen" also, which I got for $350 from a junkyard, means I have a strong enough block and crank. Add in aftermarket forged rods and pistons, which are good to 800hp+, and you'll have a stronger bottom-end than a stock LNF or LSJ for hundreds of dollars less.

If you wanted to start with an LNF, that would be a great place to start. However, you'll have to mount a drive-by-wire throttle-pedal assembly, and the tuning options are quite limited. Also, there are issues with getting more fuel to the engine to support more than 450hp.

Many of the components I'll be using for my build will be coming from ZZP, though.

Sick92

I meant lnf i always mix those up. The lsj was also used in the sc ion redlines. Thanks for the history lesson rofl
Dont know wth you are talking about with the lsj being too weak theres guys on there with 800hp with lsjs, obviously not stock bottom end, and theres even a 600+hp lnf so dont know what you mean problems over 450.

lunati397

the properway to do anything is research research research and know what and why and how about everything you do

Good thing about not having alot of cash too is you always have time to do more research lol

get going might have to make a wager on if ill get my swap done first or you

Fallen2603

Sick92,

LOL! Sorry, I didn't mean to preach. I've just learned tons of information on this family of engines over the months.


Most of those blocks that are in the engines that ZZP have built that are making those crazy power numbers have been girdled. This:
http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/...led-Block.aspx
That pretty much turns the stock open-deck block into a closed-deck block, giving the sleeves a lot more strength. That's how ZZP can build these engines to take high triple-digits power numbers.


The stock block, with it's open-deck configuration, will start having longevity and reliability issues past the 450hp threshold.


lunati397,

LOL! A blessing and a curse at the same time!

I don't know who will get done first. I wish I could say me, but I'm not going to make bets I can't lose. LOL!

lunati397

I would want to say me but same thing I might get it in and started but then again thats just the beginning again

Fallen2603

TRUE THAT.

Always nice to have a Plan B, if it's needed. Possibly a Plan C, D, E, F, etc.

IROCcobaltSS

fallen,

i hope your putting the turbocharged ecotec motor in your camaro. I have the turbo ecotec in my cobalt ss. I love it. My buddy has a tuned one making 410 torque 313 hp on 93 pump gas. These motors are torque monsters. I support what your doing.