Fallen2603

LOL! If you want to donate four extra-small turbochargers, four intercoolers, and a supercharger set-up, I'll give it a shot.

rusty vango

ok,how about SHAME ON YOU!! AND may all of your children be born naked

Guest

I can't help but notice that your 383 isn't IN either car. It could be roasting tires off the back of your Camaro for the rest of this summer, while waiting for parts and funds and whatnot.
A running 383 NOT powering anything...
You must have a Camry or an Accord, right?

Fallen2603

LMAO! I'd hope if I had children they'd be born naked. Who knows what cuff-links would do to my woman's vag. LOL!

That 383 would have destroyed the leaking, worn-out TH350 transmission someone had swapped into my Camaro. Let's not even talk about how bad the rear-end was. I could've dropped the 383 into the Camaro a year ago, true, but it would've gone maybe ten miles, with the gears trailing a half mile.

I don't consider it a "running" 383 because I didn't buy it with an intake system. The Weiand single-plane isn't even installed, it's just sitting there.

LOL! My daily-driver is the car I have listed in my sig. If that's "ban-worthy", oh, well.

travis401

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Gotta love thinking outside the box. You get to poke fun at everyone else who cant find the exit sign.

88gunmetalgta

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For a long time I kept seeing this thread bumped without any real progress! Subscribing for real progress updates now Good luck with the build!

Fallen2603

travis401,

It always amuses me when someone not even close to my area of operations tells me how I should be doing things. I'm the guy with "boots on the ground" and his "dick in the mud". I'm very good at making decisions under stressful conditions, and this is not even close to what I consider a stressful situation.

88gunmetalgta,

LOL! Yeah, mostly a lot of hot air being thrown around this thread. Real progress is getting closer.

White'89

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That would be quite amusing, but nonetheless completely useless.

Found a pic.

Pillsbry10

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The more amusing something is the less useless it becomes.

Fallen2603

White'89,

I don't know about "useless"...I doubt there would be any "turbo lag" on that set-up. LOL!

Pillsbry10,

LOL! I found that line of logic quite...fascinating.

diablizzard

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I'm just curious as to why you opted to not use the VVT head?

Fallen2603

diablizzard,

I'm not using the VVT head so I don't have to worry about the VVT, which is still a bit of tuning headache, and because of the greater selection of cam options for the L61 cylinder-head, which do not fit in the VVT LE5 cylinder-head.

diablizzard

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that is definately a justified reason. this project you have going on has me thinking about putting one in my s10. since it's a 96 I'll need something that is obdII, and the ecotec is definately a very good answer. I'm very interested in the mounts you come up with to the subframe.

Fallen2603

diablizzard,

If you want to throw an Ecotec into your S-10, this will probably interest you:

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/sh...-s10&highlight=

It's a really LONG thread, but it's very thorough.

The mounts for your S-10 will probably be different than the mounts that get made for my Camaro. I don't think the K-member's are that similar between the two...

Good luck with your swap!

diablizzard

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thank you. I just found that site, and started to look through it. I understand that there would be some differances, i was just looking for some ideas.

Fallen2603

diablizzard,

Oh, well, for now, I'm considering having some polyurethane "plates" cut, about 1" thick, and those will go on the K-member. On top of that, a piece of steel plate cut to the same shape. From that, a tube welded to it that goes to a plate bolted to the engine block. Not solid mounts, a little bit of wiggle-room for the engine/drivetrain, and simple to fabricate.

Oh, if anyone has an idea of why this is a bad mount idea, please, chime in.

Guest

That won't give much wiggle. And they'll squeak.
If you're gonna fabricate, then start with some interlocking polygraphite trans mounts from Energy Suspension.

Fallen2603

ronnjonn,

Something like these?

http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...ion-Mounts.asp

I didn't find any polygraphite stuff from Energy Suspension. Mostly just polyurethane. Am I looking in the wrong place?

I did find some polygraphite stuff at Performance Suspension Technology...

White'89

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Lodging a piece of poly between your motor mount and k-member may not be a good solution(assuming I understand you correctly), because that would leave ALOT of wiggle room for the bolts going through everything into the k-member. Pre-made universal mounts like suggested would be better and just modify everything else to fit.

Oh, and with 4 tiny turbos you would get plenty of volume of air, but not much pressure. Pressure = fun

Fallen2603

White'89,

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about fabricating engine mounts. Let alone fabricating mounts with a bushing involved.

I'll look into the universal mounts and see if I can find a better alternative.

LOL! While I think four turbochargers on an inline-4 engine would be cool, in a way, there is no way I'd do it. Multiply the complexity of the turbo system by at least four, multiply the cost by at least four, and don't really get much better results than a single turbocharged system. Novel and cool, but...ABSURD.

KrisW

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Didn't you already have some factory mounts from the junkyard engines? I think you had two left sides or something like that?

Anyway, those used the little round rubber "donut" style bushings. A call to PST and I am sure that they could source you a set of body mount bushings that are nearly the same size.

88gunmetalgta

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Here's a link to a 4x4 truck build that has plenty of ideas for mounts using a standard cylindrical bushing, like you would find on the end of a leaf spring. 4x4er's use this type of bushing EVERYWHERE. Take a look: http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...r+mount&page=4

Fallen2603

KrisW,

I have a set of new mounts and brackets for a Solstice, but I didn't think they were going to work as well as my idea. However, now that it seems my idea isn't as smart as I thought it was, I'll re-explore those mounts and brackets I already have. When I was playing with them earlier in the year, it seemed that two of the intake/driver-side brackets would be easier to play with.

88gunmetalgta,

Thanks for the link! I'll take an in-depth look at it when I have more time.

Fallen2603

UPDATE - SNAFU

Well, this project is going to be delayed for about a month more. I'm not getting as much from the VA in GI Bill payment this month, so I can't afford the TKO-500 transmission until early next month. I know people were hoping to see some REAL progress on this, so I'm sorry for disappointing. This is extremely frustrating for myself as well...

19camaro83

Our government hard at work screwing it's own people. Go figure..

KrisW

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Well, when it comes to it, you need to focus on your first obligation and get done with schooling. Better to have your education instead of your GI Bill.

Speaking as a vet, I can say that.

Then when you're making some REAL money, you can do some really fun things.

Keep up the hard work...

Fallen2603

19camaro83,

Oh, the stories I could tell on that subject. LOL!

KrisW,

Yes, my education is my first priority. My living conditions come second, and my Camaro is probably down at third/fourth. I got a pretty sweet deal here in Illinois. The state government pays my tuition, via the Illinois Veteran's Grant, and the VA pays me my GI Bill payments. Hell, that's what I've been living off of for the last year. Fifteen hundred bucks a month has to cover rent, groceries, bills, and other costs of living. Whatever's left goes towards this project. Just another month...

Thirdgen89GTA

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Wow, you are in Dekalb IL? I just noticed that. You should definitely join up with us at ThirdgenFest in 2012. Its Memorial day weekend. I'd love to get a peek at this project of yours.

Fallen2603

Yep, I'm bumming in DeKalb, IL. I was at ThirdGenFest 2010, but I couldn't make it this year. I'm hoping to have the EcoteCamaro to the point where I can at least limp-drive her over to ThirdGenFest 2012...

72vega

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not to thread hijack but, do you have the montgomery gi bill or post 9/11 gi bill? how big of a pain in the *** is it to get the va to pay you every month?

Fallen2603

72vega,

In my situation, with the Illinois Veteran's Grant, I get more money, about $1,500 a month usually, using the Chapter 30 G.I. Bill. Then, after using the Chapter 30 for 36 months, I can apply for 12 months of the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill, and that'll yeild about $1,200 a month. All I have to do is jump on the VA website and verify my enrollment once a month, and go to Military Student Services here on campus to register for the Chapter 30 and IVG benefits before each semester. Not too much of a pain in the ***.

jyoungst

i have not been on here in a while but .. why Eco Tech .. i would have chose the 4g63 being it still holds the world record for worlds fastest 4 cyl and parts are a lot cheaper

you can find any 4g63t engine 89-92 and it will hold 500 hp its been done numerous times you can find long blocks for less than $400.00

but anyways id still love seeing different engines in these cars

InfernalVortex

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As someone with notaV8aphobia, I got no problems with small forced induction motors.

To me that's what a small motor is for - you free up all that space in the engine bay, lighten up the car, improve the weight balance, get the fancy variable valve timing ... it's BEGGING for turbo plumbing at that point.

What I dont get is the guys who insist on weird v6 swaps... You can still turbo a v6, but it's more complicated logistically... and those things were mostly all dogs from the factory. The ecotecs are a lot better in comparison.

Also... as far as the 4g63...

jyoungst

[quote=InfernalVortex;5053241]As someone with notaV8aphobia, I got no problems with small forced induction motors.

To me that's what a small motor is for - you free up all that space in the engine bay, lighten up the car, improve the weight balance, get the fancy variable valve timing ... it's BEGGING for turbo plumbing at that point.

What I dont get is the guys who insist on weird v6 swaps... You can still turbo a v6, but it's more complicated logistically... and those things were mostly all dogs from the factory. The ecotecs are a lot better in comparison.

Also... as far as the 4g63...>>>>>>

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jyoungst

ONLY for the 92 1/2 to 99 were 7 bolts and they walk unless they have the evo thrust Bering why i spec for the 89-92 4g63 or the same year for a 4g64 that came in the expo van ., theres a video of a stang with one in it and its running low 10s stock block ,rods pistons ,crank ,youtube it my thirdgens that kept getting beat by 4g63s you just cant beat awd and anti lagg and launch control and the only reason 7 bolts crank walk is due people keeping on the clutch at lights .. now i own a dsm and its had its moments but its still getting 30 mpg and 450 awhp to the wheels and e85

Fallen2603

jyoungst,

While I have a lot of respect for the 4G63 motor and all it's achievements, I could not bring myself to throw a Japanese motor into an American car. Also, I like to stay with the same maker. Therefore, GM engine in a GM car. Also, the Ecotec motor, while it may not have the reputation and following of the 4G63, it is still an amazing motor capable of a lot. Another reason, the Ecotec is an aluminum-block, and is a little lighter than a 4G63. Also, I don't like timing belts, like that that come on a 4G63. The Ecotec comes with a timing chain. Would I shake my head and bad-mouth a 4G63-swapped 3rd-Gen? Hell no! But, it won't be me that builds one.

Oh, and for turbocharging a V6 that came in these cars. Yes, the V6 motors were dogs from the factory. However, if you go with a hybrid top-end on a 60* V6 and add a turbocharger, there are some amazing results possible. Even better if it's a full-on 3x00 V6 swap. It's not that much of a pain or logistically complicated. There's just no aftermarket, already-made parts.

jyoungst

sr20s are the same with chains but they are prone to head failures

91camarosRS

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Hell put a rb26 or even better a subaru ej20 or 25. But back to topic this is about the ecotec in a third gen. And how the op wants that. Let's not clutter this

Fallen2603

jyoungst,

The SR20 is another fine motor that would make a good combo with a 3rd-Gen. However, isn't the SR20 and iron-block? If it is, why not just jump up to the KA24? Get a little bit more displacement, and I think they're a little more solid of a motor, myself.

91camarosRS,

All those are also good choices. Not a big RB fan, personally. Those motors are little too rev-happy and not enough torque down low for an inline-six in my opinion.

I don't mind this talk. It's the, "You're an idiot for thinking about putting an inline-four in these cars. Do whatever one else has done, and put a V8 in there" talk that grates me.

Besides, hopefully, it won't be too much longer before I have enough damn money to get the TKO-500...

91camarosRS

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Being that I have a subaru I love that motor. There is a reason they put them in airplanes. And they sound wicked. I like imports as well as domestics so I love crazy swaps.. maybe even a sweet rotary

diablizzard

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I had a 92 talon, and to put it out there. I miss driveing the car. now to go onto the problems of the 4g63. The timing belts suck for longevity, lifters always tick, head gaskets blow. I had 2 timing belts go each at 40k, honda I4s go 100k+ with no problem. The belts were from Mitsubishi, I didn't want to do it a second time. that's leaving the transmissions out of it because it wouldn't apply here. I will give them the credit that when they're running good, they run great. but as a swapping motor, unless it is strictly for racing, why put in an engine is that will constantly need laborous work done to it so often.

jyoungst

still happy to see something different !!!!

diablizzard

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different is good. after the tbelt went the last time, I almost went forward with putting a 3rd gen tunnel and kmember into the talon. it would've been fun. i can't wait to see this ecotec in the camaro. no one will expect it. by the way I found this t56 adapter, if you ever want to go 6spd. http://www.thegearbox.org/catalog/it...17/4803441.htm

White'89

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Talk is cheap. No one goes through the headache of swapping and making motors and transmissions fit and work without making some serious considerations.

Fallen did his homework.

diablizzard

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nevermind, quote was editted while i was typing

travis401

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ive got that adapter in my car, it allows the t56 to bolt to the ealier style sbc bell housing (like the stock one). wont do anything for bolting a t56 to an i4 or anything that doesnt have the sbc bell housing pattern.

it also requires the longer ls1 input shaft for anyone considering it. (or just the ls1 version of the t-56).

diablizzard

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it can be paired up to this http://quad4rods.com/index.php?page=...&Itemid=100041

or this pair
http://store.fab-tek.com/custom-fabr...llhousing.html
http://store.fab-tek.com/ecotec-to-c...t-adapter.html

travis401

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that would work

travis401

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i bet the t-56 with the i4 would get some crazy gas mileage cruising down the highwaay in 6th...

Pillsbry10

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hahahah 60mph.... 800 rpms... 100 miles to the gallon