jmat2407

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i hate stupid fantasy threads like this. Your never going to build a 700hp engine or buy one to put in a car. How do I know? Because you have no idea what your even talking about. You come in with the usual "money is no object", when you know it is. When does money become an object? 5k, 10k, 20k+? Because thats what your looking at spending here.

Most people don't understand how much hp that actually is. I love seeing these threads "how do I get 500RWHP for my DD?" Its just retarded. Most of these people have never even driven a 300 or 400rwhp car so how can you even comprehend what a 700hp car is like. And for that matter where did that hp goal even come from. Is it just a big number that sonuds cool to you? That is a lot of damn power for a street driven car.

The amount of money it would take to put a 700 hp engine in a car and make it somewhat streetable is crazy. Pretty much that entire car will be replaced. Were talking thousands here, and quite frankly, whoever has that kind of money to toss at a third gen camaro so carelessly wouldn't be out talking to his mechanic about how a long block can't bolt up to a manual trans.

Ok /rant.

Oh and to all the real racers on this forum that actually do own/build high hp engines for their track cars this obviously doesn't apply to any of you.

FSTFBDY

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Easy to do with a power adder. Go FI.

See sig. 383 on boost. .(ordering pulleys for alot more boost)Then Im Gonna run an electronic wastegate to back it down for the street. like a turbo setup. Just like anyone else who runs boost run conservative on the street and crank it up at the track.

heres another good build for ya..
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...0-buildup.html

Orr89RocZ

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Turbo motors are what you need if you want a big hp mild mannered car. They CAN be done on the cheap if you do the work yourself and shop around.

My setup is probly over 800hp on motor but it wasnt necessarily cheap... 3g's in the turbo setup including hotside/coldside stuff is about the cheapest you can do for a twin setup. But the motor is probly closer to 9 grand all together to handle it. You can try to use a factory block and it should hold 700-800hp, others have done that on stock internals before as they say its just in the tune. Its up to you tho if you can trust that. I couldnt so i went with some good stuff.

My one friend however made a single turbo setup on a factory GM 4.8L truck motor with i think just rod bolts as the only change and has made over 700whp..comparable to my build but that motor probly cost him 2-3 grand all together with turbo kit

All depends on how good you are and where you buy parts.

I'm still on stock rear end and its holding just fine. Do have all the full bolt on suspension mods, subframe connectors and 8pt roll bar however...built Th400 I bought for 600 bucks from a friend... the converter was 900..more than the trans haha. So there is alot of extra money to be put into the car to handle the power reliably

You can easily build a hot 383 to make near 400whp and spray a 200 shot for about 700 crank and still hold on mild rebuild 700r4 tranny and stock rear. I did that last year with 383 plus 150 shot..estimated 625-650 hp on bottle. Held up just fine. Could DD that car but it was very loud

Shadow Z

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I am being perfectly realistic, from what he's saying, it doesn't seem like he has much knowledge, but it is STILL not your decision to tell him what is or isn't a good idea. It's his car, it's what he wants to do.

Let his parents, grandparents, girlfriend, wife, or kids take up the safety issue with him. Like I've mentioned, you don't know who is on the other side of the internet connection, he may be able to school you in the driving department, despite a small lack in engine knowledge.

I'm not trying to offend you, or the OP, what I'm saying is the truth. 700 horsepower may be incredibly dangerous for anyone, a kid, or someone with 30 years experience, but it is not your position to judge, or imply he is going to kill himself.

150 horsepower, or 700 horsepower, these cars are dangerous with just about any horsepower rating, they'll bend right in half when in a bad enough car accident. Probably anything over 30 miles per hour, where a normal modern car wouldn't be too banged up, with the obvious exception of body panels.

You should have a talk with Rod Saboury, and tell him how dangerous what he does is. He has a street driven, street legal 1963 Corvette, pushing over 2,000 horsepower. He gets to 210 miles per hour in the same time that I can hit about 70 +/- miles per hour, just below 7 seconds.

Shadow Z

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What I hate more than the "stupid" fantasy threads, are the truly stupid people that reply to them. It's obvious from what you say, that you're going along with the crowd, and have never done a high horsepower build either.

It may be truly just a fantasy thread from someone who does not know much, but why not offer help? Why talk down to the OP? These are message boards, mainly for tech help, not to judge someone based on a personal situation that you clearly do not know.

I find that many people will just insult, and down talk, when they do not have any information to offer either, maybe it's just simpler. This kind of blows my mind.

ty_rich

Im not insulting or down talking about someone that doesnt know a head bolt from a radiator is going to spend over 20k to make a 700hp street car, because someone is going to have to hold is hand, and im not talking about this forum as an auto tech. Hes gonna end up with a sloppy set up and a cage that welds break the first time he gets on it lol

ty_rich

You should have a talk with Rod Saboury, and tell him how dangerous what he does is. He has a street driven, street legal 1963 Corvette, pushing over 2,000 horsepower. He gets to 210 miles per hour in the same time that I can hit about 70 +/- miles per hour, just below 7 seconds.[/quote]


i would know he lives almost in the same zip code as me lol

articwhiteZ

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http://www.flash-view.com/pub/ebooks...view_book.html

you can do it for under $9000 with shipping

i have there 427 on the way..
my car is set up to take a beating.. i know it will be good for 400HP

327sleeper88

you could do motown 454 sbc short block... $5000 for the short block. the 454 crate they sell makes 600hp/600tq with 220cc heads, 10:1cr. the whole thing costs $12000. get 235+cc heads, 11:1 cr, solid roller cam, make it a little meaner and there you go, 700 n/a hp. or go vortec supercharger... or turbo... or 8-71 blower... lots of options, but i think a sbc would be better to get the hood, exhaust, and other things worked out over a bbc.

just a thought.

ty_rich

so 12000 puts 700 hp sitting in your car, but no drivetrain/or chasis even close to being able to hold that beast in there for long lol

articwhiteZ

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for about $9000 you could get the car done to use all 700HP

thats with the car looking good to start with..no body or paint

FSTFBDY

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for 15k ish you could have a car with what your goal is and everything setup right to handle it.(thats price of car, engine,etc...) Shop smart, find deals on projects people are ditching, etc.....

If your not abusing it a stock rear end will hold for awhile. I know quite a few people running low 10's high 9's on stock 10 and 9 bolts. Now put slicks and hook with all that power ya your gonna have problems.

Street car with that much on street tires or even drag radials You gonna put the tires up in smoke before you twist an axle. etc...

articwhiteZ

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anything under a 1.60 60 foot time at a drag strip. and you will have a bag of steel chunks!!! the pinon gears just come apart..

(i say Pinon Gear's..i have a hand full stripped on 1 side)

you want to go all out..when you Hit it...

you know your making power when you spit out
rear end's
tranny's
convertr's
flexplate's
and some times..more then 1 at a time

so you get rid of the weak LINK!! stand on it!!

(when you see nothing but Blue for a sec.. it's about right)

FSTFBDY

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Im aware of this. Just satin it can be done. borrowed time. for sure.!
I say build the chassis to accommodate the power 1st. Then put a nasty engine combo in.

Im running my 9bolt till it pops. then putting a 9inch

Orr89RocZ

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Several 1.4x 60's on my 10 bolts and ALOT of 1.5's and held fine. 650whp car With an auto and no trans brake i think they are stronger than most give them credit for. Keep the gear ratio down below or at 3.42 and your golden

327sleeper88

The fully assembled motown 454 engine is 12000 in a catalog. you could probably do it for less if you did the work and picked out the parts.

and yes, more power = more expenses to handle the power.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

they will hold for a time.. spit out 3 good 10 bolts in 8 years
had every aftermarket part they made for them..it was the gears letting go..just not made for say a bit more then stock Hp.
haven to keep my 60ft time in the 1.54 ball park sucked..

i like to sky the wheels for 20 or 30 feet..and to do that and have fun.
it was a 9" made to take 1000Hp..and your never ever look back..
best $2300 i put into the car..

(Orr89RocZ) you have done a fantastic Job on putting your car together..Looks good.

sprayd86

ignorant comment .......... look up (how long till it grenades??) stock 350 736 rwhp turbocharged madness youll get a kick out of that article

327sleeper88

also, for $3500 you can get a t-56 magnum 6 speed good for 700 ft/lbs. my guess is you will get 700hp and ~600tq.

just a thought. i am totally game for this... not like some of these people trying to burst your bubble.

700 isn't that difficult... you just need to know what you are doing... and have $$$

orr89rocz knows whats up. cubes + power adder = streetable hp.

fyi... a 553 hp 327 can be made to be streetable and run on pump gas. but it is more expensive to get 100%+ hp/cube. "no replacement for displacement."

stoning_volcom

My brother and I took his 92 camaro superhcarged throwing down 758hp 797lbs to the wheels. Mowtown block, scat forged crank, forged rods 5.7, dished pistons.040, custom ground roller cam from comp. heads afr elimnaters. 8:5.1 compression threw on a supercharger and boosted it up to 25 psi co2 charged intercooler. and,.... i was scared wehen we first fired it up let alone trying to tune it. 700 is alot to ask for. you can make power with anything my 89 formula i am gonna be doing the same set up with just a lil less boost to make my self comfortable lol but yea if anything GO LSX more durable more parts so