Holy^Ghost

Hey. I'm new here and i am about to buy a mint condition 1986 Camaro IROCZ and i was wondering since it has a blown engine if it is possible to put in a huge 572ci R720 Chevy engine in. i know i might have to make customs mounts but will it fit into the stock engine bay. the reason i want this engine is the huge loudness and the 720HP it makes with nothing but the stock carburetor.

5678TA

BBC is a BBC.. it can be done and probably already has been done.. just dont forget the cowl hood..

Holy^Ghost

BBC=Big Block Chevy? and the cowl hood is the one that looks like a reverse hood scoop right? now why would i need that. and could i fit the long block or the short block.

5678TA

oh good god, you have no idea what you are getting into.. yes BBC is big block chevy and a cowl is the reverse scoop.. not trying to put you down or anything but how old are you? what is the fastest car you have driven? what is the most extensive work you have done on a car?

720hp is no joke.. it is FAST.. if you can get that power to the ground, it will get you into the low 10 to high 9 second range.. VERY FAST for an ametuer.. you will be lucky to keep the car on the road..

AlkyIROC

A 572 is a tall deck block. It's a tight fit with a short deck block. Tall decks add more clearance problems but if you have enough time and money, anything can be installed.

Why stop at a 572? A 632 is the same size externally.

rosco88ta

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I think the kids been watchin too much horsepower tv!!!! Not only that I doubt he has the 12,000 dollars to buy the motor let alone the knowledge to get the thing put together lol lol lol

redliterunner

$12k for the motor, 5k for a tranny that'll handle such loudness, and another 10k for driveline, suspension, and enough chassis work to keep the windsheild from popping out everytime you blips the throttle. We won't even mention the 3 miles you'll drive on each 6.00 gallon of gas.

Getting the motor to fit in the car is the least of the challenges associated with 720 hp.

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Holy^Ghost

im just asking if it would be possible. i know it would be very fast. thats the point. but i just want to know what i would need to do to do it. i know the engine is 12K and i would need a custom tranny to handle it and a custom drive line and axle so it doesn't twist and damage the car. what about a good old 383 with a super charger would it be possible with some stock parts. i can drive a 6 second car so handling the huge amount of power is no issue. i just want to teach all the stupid little ricers in my town what the meaning of power is. and i know how to build and swap engines. I'm no dumb *** kid i've been working around cars since I was 4 and my dad use to build monsteristly huge engines and put them into Chevy's and Mopar cars.

redliterunner

Nobody's trying to beat up on you, amigo....although when you say stuff like "handling huge amounts of power is not an issue" it gets tempting. Power=issues.

Beating ricers is not a goal. How fast do you want to go? then plan for that.

A blown 383 is possible with some stock parts, like the block (assuming you've got a 350), dipstick, and some of the bolts.

Your dad can tell you that in an unprepared car, or on some bad road, that motor can get you all kinds of trouble.

If you want to impress someone, build a mild 350 and go 12s. Thats 1/4 mile.

cabech984

If you want some easy raw power, staying with the small block setup in your case would be the way to go since you already have all the external parts to fit it. All youd have to do is pull your engine, get it machined & built to you likeness and put it back in. After that, you would just have to drive it until your transmission gave out & then you could beef it up too!!! Or of course do it all at once.

I tossed around the Ideas of my engine swap. It came down to either a SBC or LS Series Engine. SBC= quick & simple swap, LS1= more complex & pricey. Never really put thought to a Big Block b/c its kind of Impractical for a street car I think. But then came the idea of an 86-87 Buick 3.8L V6 Turbo from the Grand National & T-Types. After about a month of throwing around Ideas, I bought an 87 3.8L Turbo after looking at it for about 20 minutes. So much for decision making.

redliterunner

I've been in a couple of 89 turbo t/as, and liked them a lot, though they have to be whooped pretty good to go very far into the 13s. But a buddy of mine had a grand national with nitrous. What a great combo that was. Easy 11s and I bet he ran 200 bottles through it before he had to lay a wrench on it. Turbos and nitrous are like peas and carrits.

cabech984

Ive seen quite a few people who have stock 13 second TTA's. I thought that was the norm with them. low 14's for the GN's. Mine is being machined now, going .030 over, forged pistons, little bit bigger than stock cam (208/208), TH400. Im undecided on the turbo & fuel injectors still. Im using the stock intercooler but plan to cool it w/ Nitrous. I got a 70mm TB & Kenne Bell upper intake too. I'm hoping to go somewhere into the 12's w/ it. I will as long as I dont cheap out on the turbo or use the stocker.

Holy^Ghost

13 and 14 sec 1/4 miles are ***** slow. i want at least something into the 11's or 10's so heres my idea.

pull out the busted 350 and put in a 385 fast burner then a holly super charger or maybe a vortec. beef up my tranny and drive line and axle to stand 1200HP or swap the auto with a 6 speed. that has to push about 500 or so horse power and cost me about 19,000

Camaroz29

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birdsgonnafly

have you ever driven a 11 or 10 second car on the street where you be beating up on these ricers a twelve second car is getting touchy with street manors save your life buy a stock 350 drive it pull it back out throw some mods down and repeat till you have what you want

Fromaster

wow, im sorry but you are getting in WAY over your head..... stick to a stock 350 swap or something to build up your skill level first

markymarco

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i can drive a 6 second car so handling the huge amount of power is no issue.

i agree

Irocd88

dude u r way ahead of ur self . a 6 sec street car lol u have quiet the imagination good luck and god bless u could handle that on the street . id lsiten to everone stick to a sm block and built it to what ever u want quit trying to impress and showoff . the fastest car i ever owned was a bn 2006 mistubishi lancer evolution , thats the 2.0 turbo 286 hp let me tell u that ran the fastest of 12.9 so mid 13s most people would run with it and thats plenty fast let me tell u im happy with jus that . so slow down start off slow but 6 secs lol wow

5678TA

6 seconds 0-60.. LOL.. i joke.. have you actually driven the "6second" car?? you say you "can" drive it.. but probably didnt.. but dont get me wrong, ANYONE can drive a 6 second car.. it takes ***** and experience to push that pedal down for all of the 6 seconds.. most people would crap themselves.. hell, i probably would..

you say you have been working around cars since you were 4.. how did you not know what a cowl was?? and why you would need one in a BBC swap?? i'm not tryin to get you down or mad, but you dont seem to know a whole lot for being around cars most of your life.. i've only been in the car game for 4 years and i'm giving you advise..

cabech984

Exactly how fast do you need to go on the street? Im only 22 but I'm smart enough to know that a 12 second car on the strip is plenty fast for the street, hell my 4 cylinder Saturn is fast enough for the street. Given, a 13 or 14 second street car isnt that impressive anymore but it will hold its own against 80% of the other cars on the street. I have nexer in my life heard of a 6 second "street car". 9&10's, yeah maybe even 8's but no 6 second cars.

I have a buddy who has an all motor 383, 1970 Camaro whom Ive seen run a 10.6's in the 1/4 all day. Hell, he ran an 11.7 when his engine went south. He had it rebuilt and on an engine dyno made 609 hp

redliterunner

I'm guessing the kid was talking about 1/8 mile.

Camaroz29

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Probably not, but you just gave him an out.

luisote

my iroc has a BBC that makes over 500HP and is not a game to street drive it pushing the pedal to the floor

do u know what a 6 sec. car is ? just think about this, the lingenfelter Z06 C6 is a twin turbo charged aluminum 427 that produces 800HP and runs 9´s or 10´s and i´m sure its not easy to drive

myfirstmaro91

sounds like someone wants to buy new underwear AND kill himself. Im no outstanding driver my 3.1L V6 is decently quick and i can still have fun with it. but if you REALLY plan on putting a 6 sec car on the street prepare to pay for the insurance on that thing too.

Thestriped1

It is possible to do but it isnt the most sensible thing. Im not trying to insult you but if you dont know that bbc means chevy big block and you arent sure on what a cowl is you may be in way over your head right now. plus the engine alone is going to cost you around 10 grand. then you need a different rear end and suspension to handle the power. and sfc and stb and new rims and tires and full exhaust system and a high performance tranny. Plus theres no way you can take that on the street and your going to get around 4 mpg. and you would need a new hood some really advanced welding skills the ability to relocate some stuff. And with that kind of power you NEED and roll cage and five point harness. you should really scrape out the filler under the floor and weld the joint properly.

Its a difficult project for a seasoned mechanic i would expect someone to really do this on there free time unless your that rich and have nothing else to do all day but blow over 50 g's on a track car, because your going to need to read a lot of things first and have access to a lot of equipment that the ordinary person doesnt have. then you need the time to pratice welding and customizing. If you really want to drive something crazy fast on the street and have that kind of cash go buy a z06 and buy a turbo set up for it after you change its cam, pistons, rod, lifters, rockers, heads and all that stuff.

online170

According to youtube, the fastest street legal car is a 2200hp vauxaul. I dunno if its actually the fastest, but its damn fast.

Anyway, you dont need a 572 man, just mill your ashtrays, bore thats stock carb to a posi, put on some hand rubbed laquer and no good build is complete without muffler bearings!

That'll prolly push you into the 7's but if you wanna bring out the big guns, you need high compression hubcaps. You'll prolly get close to 4's with that, you can go out, race full blown top fuelies, and still go out for ice cream after!

86FireBird305

i didnt see anyone mention this yet but if ur putting any kind of power like ur talking about....dont over look your chassis, u need sub-frame connectors unless u wanna drive to the junk yard lop sided lol

Stevo

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Just end this thread holy ****... when i read this:

I said yup ok this is done, dont bother giving this kid your advise anymore. Hes obviously not serious...though it is pretty funny though.

online170

Youre right stevo, i was just kiddin about all that stuff i said. Everyone knows muffler bearings give MORE power than than hi-comp hubcaps!!!



Edit:, sorry stevo i got ur name wrong there for a sec

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just read this again and i missed this before,

"i know how to build and swap engines"
then why are you asking?

is "monsteristly" even a word?



this is a great way to unwind

firebirdjosh

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5678TA

HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! you forgot he upper crankshaft manifold with the pneumatic driveshaft gasket splitter..

Camaroz29

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I'm sure he stopped checking this out once he realized he made an *** out of himself.

RedTtop5spd

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ROFLMAO!!! That's just too much fun.

You can do 720hp in a car that you drive on the street...but you're going to have a heck of a time. It can be done. Heck, I'm doing it, but I've spent years on the project and I'm only planning on driving it on the street once or twice a year and it'll only see the strip once to get a timeslip for fun. (Sorry all, it's not in a thirdgen, it's in a 71 jag, but at least it has a chevy engine.) My daily driver will never reach 500hp. I'm about 75 off from that in my daily driver, and that's more than enough. I'm not working on any more power out of it.

If you truly want to make a 720hp street car, be prepared to spend some money. And for all our sakes...do some research and practice on a road track and off the street. I don't want to be the stiff laying on a slab in the morgue near you because you couldn't handle it.

83Chevy__Camaro

that kid was a dumbass man alive

Buddy

Well all this is well and good.. but it leads me to ask the question I was gonna ask on here, hopefully you all could help answer it for me.
I have a Firebird, gonna drive it to work everyday, even in winter. I'm in Canada, so the roads get kinda nasty a couple times each winter, but I wanna drive this car anyway. I have another car that will be a summer playtoy, it's gonna be wicked FAST. So this will be my daily, all-season driver. I wanna know if I can put (under the stock TA hood too) about anything over 800 cubic inches. I want @ 950 NA horsepower. It'll also be sporting a duel stage NOS kit, 250hp 1st stage, 500hp 2nd stage. Stock exhaust to keep the sleeper approch.
I've already driven my toy, with the old SLOW setup, to the speed of sound, so I'm more than familiar with peppy cars.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys, just looking for a fun daily driver, cause I wanna keep all the ricers in line in town. Most of 'em are running cold air kits and exhaust, so I just wanna be sure.
Thanks guys.

83Chevy__Camaro

that was just gay, beating a dead horse

86FireBird305

i do feel bad but for some people the line between reality and fantasy is a bit blurred...i know he said he was an engine veteran but he kinda tapped out on cowl hoods and knowing what BBC means so i have my doubts

ChillPhatCat

The kid's profile says 17 years old, so a seasoned anything he is not. I know a lot of our members are just starting out driving, but the ones that stick around know that there's a long road ahead. This kid needed a HEAVY dose of reality. Good drivers don't brag about how elite their skillZ are, because learning to drive is a never ending process.

Using myself as an example, I'm 26 and I've got over 100k mi of driving experience, 70k of which spans the 4 F-bodies I've owned. I still scare myself at times while driving and I still have to look up some repairs and sometimes I even break crap when doing repairs. Hell I've never even done one engine build, I know my first one will be chock full of mistakes.

Buddy

Don't be mad cause that's the best that your little imagination can come up with. Just keep reading, learning, and listening to what the teacher says, it'll get easier and easier as the years go on.

online170

Kars eh? Not too far from me, ive driven out there a couple times, yea the roads get nasty. As for streetability, i suppose WHERE you drive matters. My freind has a think for rear wheel drive cars, everything he owns, is rwd. Hes a ford guy, so that includes 2 mustangs, old and new, and a 92 F150. He also lives just outside the city, in kind of a country setting atop a huge hill. Winter tires definately make it a different animal, but he spends alot of time shoveling to make sure he can make it up the hill at night after a long day at work. Still though, he find himself walking a few times. So it can be done, but its not effortless The other thing is, if you want 500hp out of a daily driver, its awesome and fun in the summer, but that power becomes that much more annoying in the winter. More chances you can hydroplane, spin out, etc...


Finally, 800cubes and above is ALOT of engine. Like mentioned above, it also depends greatly on what the motor is. Hotrod did an article on the Arias? possibly Arial? motor. It was a 10L supercharged "hemi" chevrolet motor. They crammed it into a very small 40's car. Cant remember whether the car was chevy or ford. The point is, they had to HEAVILY modify the firwall, and the blower just peaks out the windshield now.

Unless you are playing with new technology, like fuel injected cars, its very tough to get over 800hp and stay streetable. Thats why things like the bugatti veyron, and maclaren and ferraris (although not 800hp, but close) are so expensive.


My 2 cents is, do a search, there was a board member here contemplating running around 600hp and similar torque. He was not a racer, and his car would have been 100% streetable. His goal was to have and "effortless car'. Where merging on the highway and passing people would not rip up the tach with rpms. 600hp is ALOT, its no small feat, but it can be made reliable. heck, i just got my first real torque monster at 434hp and im very happy with that. Anything above 600hp though, your lookin at some serious $$$ to make it streetable. And quite frankly if youre not racing, theres not really a point.

birdsgonnafly

Nicely said

83Chevy__Camaro

**** you ******, im not the retard that posted this ****ing thread about 572 and beating ricers.

Buddy

Oh cheer up sunshine, I'm just still beating that dead horse. lol

pookey_03

hey u cant forget the the high performance blinker fluid. i think he might be running mid 3.5's.lol

chevylover5

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dude seriously,
my 305 can beat all kinds of "ricers"
are you serious? i cant believe this thread, this is rediculous! wow man im not tryna put you down, even tho im sure its easy to do, but you sound like ur about 12 and you just watch way too much t.v. this isnt reading rainbow, chill with the imagination and get realistic. start out with a v6 and if you dont kill yourself go up from there. driving fast cars on the street isnt a game, my friend has perminate brain damage from getting ran off the road in his STOCK mustang gt. its no game at all, if you want to have a good time be safe, take it to the strip.
just my

johnnyboy

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these guys are absolutely correct a quick car in the hands of a young kid can be deathly, and i'm speaking from experience. being overconfident in your driving skills is a real mistake, this fall driving in a little honda del sol si with a 1.6L sohc 4 cyl with a 5spd i was taking a spirited drive down a road which i had driven many times before. the motor in the del sol was probably no more than 150 hp but it was pretty torquey, anyway to make a long story short i forgot about a blind 90* left hand turn at the top of a hill, when i came up on it i quickly downshifted but it did no good so i did what anyone would do and slammed on the brakes, successfully locking the brakes and sliding off the road, into the woods only to hit my driver's front fender, catch the wheel pull the driveshaft out of the transmission and swing the car sideways into another tree. don't ask me how fast i was going or how i got out of the car because frankly i'm not too sure. but the turn was rated for 10 mph and i was most likely doing over 40 mph. luckily the only damage was a concussion, a couple of stitches in my arm and a cut on my lip. air bags really do save lives. so any car in the hands of an inexperienced driver on the open streets is a real risk. i'm just glad it wasn't my firebird i was driving that day, my dad had to drive it because it fit more people than the del sol didwell i know you guys don't like hondas so here's some eyecandy

johnnyboy

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forgot to mention that while i was bouncing off the trees like a pinball the car twisted and the targa roof popped off hiting me in the back of the head, the driver's floor pushed up into the compartment and somehow i didn't end up with a broken foot or leg or whatever because the clutch and brake pedals were hidden behind the floor and the driver's seat broke from the immense force exerted from me moving in it (only 170 lbs.)

1986Z28OWNER

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i agree, the kid is a post, but you wanna know something, IM 17, i bought this car in sept, with the intention of building a mis 13 second car, thats now evolved into a 355 aluminum head roller cam engine, sure there are ALOT of kids out there with the mentality that they are god and can do anything, but how many have actually built then engine for there car? in the past 2 years ive competed at Skills Canada in Auto service, and won 2 automotive awards, and got a 500$ scholarship, you cant just generalize kids into one group and call them stupid, because i probaly know more about cars than alot of people on this board. in the past 7 months ive dumped just over 6 grand into my Z-28, and 1000 into my SC. ok im done
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BTW im also on the crew of a 1957 chevy nostalgia nitro funny car, in which i look after our clutch and lenco(2spd semi auto trans)