I'm curious to know what some have done with their 3rd gens other than basic 305-406 engines. Has anyone put a Hemi in a 3rd gen or maybe a spoon motor? Has anyone made an AWD 3rd gen? Curious to know. Please dont post BS, i;m genuinley interested in seeing or hearing about odd ball swaps and setups. This was inspired by a few posts I saw, one about the 3.7 mercruiser and the one about the olds motor.

 

one guy was talking about doing a Supra motor I think. Never happened.

The most *screwball* one I've seen was a Viper V-10.


AWD? No. IRS? Yes.



The question that always comes up is why? Why bother spending the money on something that no one else wants?

 

Putting a Hemi in your 3rdgen... the easy way!

 

That is soooooo wrong...

 

Interesting concept but as above, That is Sooo wrong! It would fool a couple of people but the Dodge guys would be laughing their butts off if they saw that.

There have been kits to make your SBC look like an old Ford flathead for the old roadsters.

You can put any engine into any car if you have enough time and money. There's been some outrageous swaps in different cars over the years.

 

not so outrageous





and really cleaned up the engine bay w/o all that emission crap.

 

WTF is a spoon motor? that sounds like something from the fast and the retarded....
A few have done pontiac 455's, and maybe a buick 455....
anyone do a caddy 500?

 

yeah, some have done caddy's. Even a Buick or two

 

Just leave your hood closed and bolt this fake onto the hood

 

I remember that, ^^^^^, it costs like $75 or so also on e-bay. Don't forget to put it sideways on your fwd beater to keep poser **** away.

 

LMFAO! That is r1ce if I've seen it. That would be r3dn3ck r1ice lol, a new breed.

BTW: Spoon is a company that makes motors for imports. They are very fast and I've seen one in action, holy crap!

 

IS their mascot the Tick?

 

i havent really heard of anything too wild, i have heard of the cad 500 and have contemplated it myself a few times. i seen to remember some having a turbo 3.8 form a gn in one, that could be cool. another one ive never seen but would probally be neat also is a turbo 4.3 out of the sy/ty trucks, but good luck finding one of those motors, probally why ive never seen it done. as for anything else the cost and time spent doing the strange swap just seems pointless to me, if there was a motor that had way more power that one of the chevys that maybe i cound see it, but last i checked, about a week ago, the 5.7 hemi was going for about 7k with tbi and was rated at 360hp. on the other hand i think i saw a 6.0 ls2 for around 5K, and those are reated at 400hp. as for awd conversions yes that may be cool and i can see the purpose for that, the expense i would think would again make it pointless. if you can find a cheal way to do it let me know, but i dont see one.

 

for awd, one could modify the system from a Safri/Astro......bu tthen I haven'tseen what those systems look like so I'm probably talking out mt aZZ on that.

 

a sabura awd sytem would work great,with a300hp flat four with a turbo,it would be uniuqe and relitivly cheap.[$10000]

good luck finding someone who would actualy do it thoe.

 

or.....you could buy a Suburu, and....get this, drive it instead!

 

no thanks, I've had a screwed=you-too and will sooner own a 4banger dodge w/the blue smoke of death before I own another fuji heavy industies product.

 

Wasn't in a 3rd Gen,but I owned a 68 Chevelle briefly that had a 440 Chrysler in it.It was pink,to boot,and had those wooden spoke looking wheels from the 70's van days.It also had a funky hatchback conversion,I'm not sure what it came from,but that was one goofy lookin' car.

 

thinking about that makes my head hurt and i feel sick. what was that guy thinking.

 

same as any T10/T15 truck (4x4 S10/S15) just the transfer case only has 4wd Hi range, no low range, no 2wd. you'd never be able to get the engine to sit far enough down due to oil pan/front diff sizes to make it fit under a stock hood or a large cowl hood for that matter. then you'd have severe issues with mounting the transfer case under the car without having it entirely inside the floor pan of the car, as if it wasnt tight enough already. then you'd run into issues with routing exhaust. way more work than its worth. if you really want an AWD, get a Sy/Ty/AWD Astro, and mod that.

 

^^^ yuk!! I have a 95 Blazer 4x4 and that thing is a bytch to work on in the front, especially w/all the 4wd crap in the way.

 

I have two project cars getting "alternative" engines; a Pontiac 455 in my 87 TA, and a 500 Caddy in my 85. The 455 project is the "nice" one, its going to take a while. The 85 is being built as a semi-sleeper street racer (black primer, bigs and littles, and a mild cowl hood), and will go together much more quickly. Its going to have the "look" of a street racer, but be fairly quiet so that it sounds like a smogger 305 or 350.

 

are you also saying you're trying to put a 383 (ie stroker 350) in a fiero????
now that sounds extremly hard, transaxle and all....

 

I've seen pics of a 455 longitudinal 9sp?) in a Fiero. Just about anything can be shoehorned into those things.

http://www.fierolt1.com/faq.htm

Northstar conversions


haven't seen/heard of bbc swaps though.

 

Not much to it really. Go here:

http://www.v8archie.com

 

How about a vtec motor into a camaro, that would make alot of horse power.

 

if you're going VTec, you cant forget the racing floormats, racing pedal covers, racing shifter ****, and the assortment of stickers from manufacturers who dont even make parts for the car. THEN it will be fast.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...&highlight=SHO

Don't know if this one was legit or not (dude never did post pics), but if it was then it was definately unique

Actually this has been done several times before. And in case you weren't aware in 89 there was a 20th anneversary Trans Am with this motor in it (only 1555 produced)

 

The drivetrains don't hold up much over 300hp...and thats in a much lighter Subaru. If you had to use a 4cyl, at least make it easy on yourself and use an Ecotech. Better yet, use a V8...any V8.

 

i plan on building a mercruiser 3.0 4 banger for my firebird.

i should have 200hp NA.

it should definitly be unique when im done.

 

"Unique" - really a false premise unto itself.

I believe I have a "unique" swap - after all, how many people do you know that have a 1982 Berlinetta originally 2.8 V6 now with rebuilt ZZ3 shortblock with 12cc hypereutectic pistons ZZ4 cam ported World S/R Torquer 305 heads Jet Hot coated 2055 headers Pacesetter catback with Flowmaster muffler run by a 1986 LG4 CC carb system with JC Whitney chip with a ZZ3 take-off intake backed by a 1983 TH700 with 2500 stall converter and 2.93:1 posi rear with black interior and metallic green exterior?

What, you don't know of any others? Why, I must be "unique"!

A couple of years ago, there was a 3rd gen at the track that had a Buick 455 swapped in. Hmmm, that's pretty unique. From a functional standpoint, though, it ran 14.6's, slower than my highway-geared 350. So, how much did being "unique" buy that guy?

Spending a few thousand bucks to put a non-automotive 4-banger in a 3rd gen for the purpose of "unique economy" doesn't make much sense to me. Nor does building some of the trailer-queen show cars people have posted pictures of around here.

If you want a trailer-queen show car, go for it. If you want to do something nobody else had done, go for it. If you want to maintain the delusion of being "unique", go for it.

Just don't expect us to buy into it.

IMHO...

 

come on, a 200hp four banger in a firebird is definitly ''unique''.

a small block is the norm.

if there is/will be only one ever made then it should be considered unique,but if it juts has some uncommon parts combos it IS diffrent,but not the definition of unique.


and i added it up and a new 350 conversion would actualy cost more,but i would have 150 more hp.
but i dont need anymore speeding tickets.

''unique economy honda eater '' is enough for me.

 

anyone put in a mouse or rat motor?

 

A "mouse" is a small block Chevy. The factory did that.

A "rat" is a big block Chevy. There's a sticky at the top of this forum about that.

 

u-nique adj. 1. one and only; single; sole 2. having no like or equal; unparalleled 3. highly unusual, extraordinary, rare, etc.: a common usage still objected to by some.

dif-fer-ent adj. 1. not alike; dissimilar 2. not the same; distinct; separate; other 3. various 4. unlike most others; unusual

Neither one implies intrinsic value. That's the point I was trying to make.

 

some people just dont care, they have their hobby and that is what they want to do. I just wanted to know if anyone has done something different. The time proven 350 comp cam, hooker header setup is great and all, but not everyone wants to go that route, and I can fully understand them getting some flame for it since it doesnt really make sense to not do something that is time proven over and over. Each person has their own reasons. My reason for a 305 build was money, I got a free block and huge discounts on all the machine work. I tried to get a 350 from junk yard, but they wanted $700. Had limited options.

I'm just rambling, but my point is that ppl do different things for reasons. Of course there are those who have completley incorrect theories and they deserve to get flamed.

But what do i know, I built a 305!

 

well a 3.0 would fall under the definition of unique.

there will be only one.


but yes for the most part your right.

 

Most of the "unique" proposals violate one or more laws of physics, with regard to expected results.

Like, "I can get just as much power out of a 305 as a 406." Well, to a point, perhaps, and if budget-constrained. But, not ultimately, and the cost/benefits ratio, with respect to power, is not linear.

Or, "I have a 302 out of a 'Stang I want to put in my car using my V6 TH700. That would be cheaper than buying a 350 from a junkyard, and it would be unique." Well, that's just thinking divorced from reality.

You said originally that you were inspired by the 3.7 mercruiser and olds motor swaps, but you "built" a 305. I guess I'm not seeing the connection there.

 

If you're doing a "different" swap just to be different, or because you have a spare engine of a different make and a car with a weak or bad engine, you're doing it for the wrong reason. If you're doing it because you think it will be cheaper since you already have x engine, you're in for a rude awakening. If you can swap in a "different" engine that improves the car in some way...more torque, more hp, better mileage, better parts availability...those are reasons for swapping an engine. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from swaps, its just a lot more work and money than most think.

If you can deal with all that, then engine swaps can make a lot of sense. For example, in the case of my 85 TA, I bought an otherwise decent car with no engine or trans and butchered underhood wiring. Putting a small block Chevy back in would have been easy, though getting it to the power level of the engine I'm installing (500 Caddy) wouldn't, at least not without a much greater expenditure. In the salvage yards I frequent, there are plenty of V8s, but I have never seen a big block Chevy...similar displacement Cad, Pontiac (building one of those too), Buick, and Olds motors are there for the plucking, for about $120 complete. Try to find a 454 for that! All of these engines are capable of making very respectable power, though in stock, worn out abused form they're likely to be little improvement. All of these engines have had far more development in the last few years than they ever did when new, and will run with a comparably built BBC for (in most cases) about the same money. they're not for everybody...its definitely more work...but in the 60s and 70s GM built lots of good engines that people today aren't as aware of. Dare to be different, just have a realistic idea of what you are getting into, and why! Some swaps have never been done because they shouldn't be.

 

Your SUCH a DUMBASS!There is no way in HELL it costs more to put a 350 that will SMOKE YOUR *** in than a frickkin boat motor!
It's really sad,you've got the right frame of mind,beat imports and get good fuel economy,but your dumb *** will not LISTEN to anyone on how to do it!Face it,kid.Those 500hp Hondas are gonna blow you aside like yesterdays news,then,you'll be known as the dumbass kid who spent a fortune to be the slowest guy around!

 

Whoa whoa chill out Irockz i understand where your coming from but this flaming isnt going to change his mind, if he wants to do it fine, he wont be fast, he'll spend more $$ then he thinks he will and maybe get the gas mileage he wants.

If he ever finishes it... If you want my opinion, i say he wont do it. But i wouldnt hate on him if he did do it right...

So let him waste his time and his money and dont flip over it, aint gonna hurt you much, just make your car worth more!

Wellington more power to ya i hope you accomplish everything you expect to with that swap, but for godssake stop talking about it and get started and maybe prove a few guys wrong!

Just dont complain if it doesnt work out weve all given our opinions... And im glad you want to do something different with a 3rd gen and not a crx or something!

 

I saw this discussion and remembered a 1968 Camaro I had a PIC of with a 392 Hemi. It looks like it turned out pretty good.

 

There is no connection, I was inspired by the mercruiser thread to start THIS thread, I was never inspired to put a 305 in place of my V6, except for the fact that my V6 had enough crank slop that it would break my TQ converter and my tranny pump every week and I got a donor car for free.

 

Well, I think this has gone on long enough, being devoid of any intent to accomplish any of the swaps speculated, and therefore not meeting the Board intent for tech content.