Plexor4

Well at the moment I have a mint condition 89 Rally Sport

With a 305 V8 and stock transmission(Don't even know what it is)

Someone on this forums has a 335 stroker engine and his car's burnout video's were amazing

I was going to sellmy car and go get a 98 Super SPort

But If their is some way for me to match the power and speed of the LS1 without spending waaaaaay to much money that its not worth it
Then id be interested in hearing it

Thanks!

blyth18md

get the ss and dont look back

TunedPort 335

Thanks for the compliments on my burnout vid I try my best, burnouts rule

I'd go for that 98 SS, the LS1 engine is incredible... its such a great platform that respponds to little mods so easily. They can be made extremely fast for little time and mods. They already run low-mid 13's bone stock. Just imagine where you could go from there.

Plexor4

What can i do to makew my car like yours
burnout and Hall some serious ***
Id like 250 at the ground
250 AT the REAR wheels

What can i do for engine transmission and rear end

and how much

all help apprecaited.

TunedPort 335

Since my last dyno numbers (in my sig) I probably have well over 250rwhp since I can dyno in 3rd gear now. I have cut out my airboxes, added a 3" Hooker catback (vs the stock one), underdrive pullies, and an aluminum driveshaft.

It's hard to say really how much money it will cost, theres little things here and there that add up to big bucks. And I can't give you an estimate really, since I have been restoring my car also...which adds onto the bill.

My rearend is still stock with 2.73's but I will just run it until it blows up. All the specs for my car are on my cardomain link in my sig.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

The 335 isn't required for 250 RWHP out of a 305. However, you're a little more limited because of the TBI in your car. If you have emissions inspection and/or testing, that has to be taken into consideration.

The "easy" thing is to cut & run to the SS. Which is the "better" route? Really, only you can decide that.

Do you wrench? Or, do you pay somebody to do all your car work? If the former, there's something to be said about the former. If the latter, get the SS (although see the first option).

Some option for the RS:

- Swap in an LS1. You'll have the power and emission-legality. Many have done it themselves, many have paid the bucks to have it done.

- Swap in a 350. You'll have the power, you'll have to watch what you do for emissions. TPI swap is one possibility, but with the right things done to the TBI, 250 RWHP is easily obtainable.

- Warm up the 305. No dyno numbers, but the combo in the sig calculates out to at least 245 RWHP (362 on DeskTop Dyno), and that without being able to shift into 3rd at the strip. Same TPI/TBI thing. Note this is not a recommendation to go 335 - that is an expensive option, more than the 350 above, and a head examination would be money better spent.

- Spray it. Nitrous is the easiest, cheapest way to get more power. If done incorrectly, though, it can be quite expensive.

TunedPort 335

Dont even start


I would still go for the SS. There ARE ways to get a 305 TBI into 250rwhp range, I beleive Chevy Hi-Perf is doing one in their magazine to a 90' RS right now. But they had to do heads/cam/intake/new throttle body/exhaust yadda yadda you get the idea. It takes alot of work in the long run.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

I asked about the wrenching because the decision really has a lot to do with whether you're only looking for something that gives driving pleasure, or if the process of getting there is part of the pleasure. Getting 250 RWHP out of a 305 TBI is going to be very process-intensive.

The 335 is excusible for those who did it several years ago (or if you didn't have the information advantage of this board). If it makes getting through California emissions inspection easier, then that's another possibility. Otherwise, it's more expensive than building a 350, including buying the 350 core, so why bother? Just to be "different"?

I'm not trying to pick on you or your decision or your combination. I am trying to make sure Plexor4 understands it should not be considered a viable approach, especially if you don't do your own work or if a '98 SS is even a possibility.

Plexor4

You see my homeboy has a 95 LT1 Z28

and when he slams his gas pettle
its holy **** let the power flow he has like 250 at the rear end
and forget the torque

when i press my gas it doesn't feel faster then my v6 camaro

or doens't even feel as if its kicking as hard

it accels faster then hondaz
but not fast enough for me

I am lookin for a good engine swap
that will work with my current transmission and rear end

and hopefully sell my current engine or do a trade in some where...

my goal here is 250 at the wheels and 350 ish torque

verc

*edit* buy an SS, damnit.

7plagues

iTrader: (1)

Dude, did u just recommend for him to buy...a neon...i cant believe you would say such a nasty and mean thing.

verc

LOL. well, hey, as far as new cars come, what are you going to recommend him to buy a 35,000 dollar GTO?


And as for accelerating faster than Hondas, I've gotten my *** kicked by a civic before, and I run a 13.3 @ 102 quarter mile!

TunedPort 335

I agree, but theres no need to say that I gotta get my "head examined" I built the motor when I was 14 and its my first car, and I have fun with it, which is all that matters

Plexor - For 250rwhp, a basic GM 350 crate motor (carbed) with a nice 700R4 behind it will probably be fine. It will have more than enough power to be fun yet will be streetable at the same time. You have alot of options

Plexor4

Ill reframe from talking to the rude dude

but

so your telling me
to go by this engine
and put it in my car.....

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...27&prmenbr=361

my transmission is stock but in 100% good condition

same with my rear end

will i have any problems?

verc

Are you calling me the "rude dude"? Sorry if it's not me, but if it is, you really need to set your head on straight because I gave you pretty sound advice. That is, you don't just buy crate engines off a catalog, open your engine bay, and drop them in. All I'm saying is that if you can save up for a new engine swap in a reasonably short amount of time (instead of say going to a junkyard and picking out a used engine), you should seriously consider just purchasing a new performance vehicle. But I apologize for the assumption that you were young at age, I editted the post.

Also, you seem to take insult to my mentioning of your age. Well, I don't know your age, you have to tell me. But the reason why it's important is because 1. so many damn teenagers get sucked into their cars when there are more important things to worry about but 2. more importantly, teenagers don't have a good ability to see long term goals, I.E. whether this engine swap is worthwhile in the long term.


Also, you stated: "I want 250 at the WHEELS". Ok, again I'm not meaning to bash or anything, but 250 at the wheels is nothing. Right now you're thinking to yourself "I'll get 250rwhp and I'll be happy". But then you'll get to ride in a car that makes 300, 400 to the wheels and you'll no longer be happy. This is why instead of picking the "bare minimum" to get your goal, you might as well just buy the SS like other suggested, and already have 300 to the wheels, reliably, without having to worry about all these mods.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Read carefully what I said. I didn't say "anybody who has one" should have their head examined. I was referring to the choices Plexor4 has before him.

That was about 35 years ago for me. It was a Rambler, though, not a Camaro. And the family's car, not mine.

Can't be replaced. You should see what I was doing to my first car earlier this evening.

Mine has a 396 big block in it. Ask anybody about what big block you should build, and they'll all say no smaller than a 454. But, the 396 is what I had, and it runs bunches better than the smogger 350 that was in there before.

That truly is what matters. And how I justify what I was doing to mine this evening.

Plexor4, the HP/torque #'s you're pulling out of the air don't really mean a lot. But, a well-built 305 could accomplish the HP # and come close to the torque, and a mildly built 350 could do both - and either engine could do it w/o power adder.