~~~Note that I dont want to build a 350, I want something diffrent for my sake~~~

I have been looking into kits for last few days and I have found a few but none had the parts that I wanted. raceeng.com were the only ones with the kit that I liked. The only diffrent thing I wanted was a 3.75 stroke crank. They told me a custom piston had to be made and it would cost me 500 bucks? What do yall think? I know there isnt a big aftermarket for the 305 but does wiseco and JE really charge this much to build a piston? That would be anywhere from 800-1000 on just the pistons. If you knwo of any other stores or manufacturers let me know please,...
Daniel

 

If you want to spend more to go slower, they make it kind of hard on you, don't they.

If you think about it, there's a real good reason why those pistons aren't widely available. I'd strongly urge that you sniff out the clue hiding in there, before you use your own wheelbarrows full of $$$$ as the weapon to shoot yourself in the shorts with.

The only ones I know of are hypereutectics, from Sterling, and maybe Silv-O-Lite. I guess they'll take anybody's money for any thing, even things like that, that aren't a very good idea.

 

$500 seems cheap for a custom piston.

 

If you must be retarded, at least do it with some sense, and build your "305" using a 350 block and a 265 crank, that way it will be worth your time, and save you a little dough.

 

I have already done a 350 and 383 build. Like I said,...I wanted to try something diffrent. I know JE and Wiseco make pistons for the 305. the only question I was trying to get to was, is there a custom piston that has to be built when you stroke the 305.
Daniel

 

Brains must be scarce out there in tx, seems some got it some dont, what a shame.. too dense to listen to reason, moron....

 

And who is it that's attempting to build a 334???

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

RB, I could be wrong here, but you're implying im trying to build a 334 ?

 

I don't mean to jump in the middle of this flame war, but I have done a 334 stroker, and they are a PITA, a lot of money, even more hassle, a balance job that you wouldn't believe, and if i didn't mention, a PITA and lots of money. Do a search under my name in the archive and you will find a thread I had. I am not trying to talk you out of it, but just trying to warn you, if you have any questions I can help with let me know.

Jason

 

What is it about this forum lately that's turned it into a junior high playground?

If you want, go ahead a build a 334. It's your car, your engine, your money. But, at least get the rotating kit from Powerhouse and save a few of those bucks (does that answer your question about custom pistons?).

It'll have a unique powerband, unique feel, be faster than a 305 to which you do the same things to make it faster, and be slower than a similar 350 that would run you less money to build.

If you want our opinion about whether it would be a smart thing to do, just ask and we'll let you know what we think.

 

Sorry Z28r¡cer, I got the people mixed up with what they posted. You're not the one with the shortfall of common sense.

I don't mean to start a flame war either; but one seems hard to avoid when this topic comes up. Why something this counter-productive arouses such feelings of righteousness in people who want to do it, I'll never know; I guess if they carry it through they'll find out sometime AFTER they've been separated from a big wad of money, and are still getting beat. Nobody ever wants to hear that their idea isn't a good one, and references to facts or the truth or experience or reason don't seem to make it an easier pill to swallow.

 

five7kid- the kit from powerhouse didnt have the parts I wanted,.,....thanks for trying

liljayv10- if youve done it and its that hard,..... never mind

z28*****- I havent met a smart person yet in Florida,.....

Hmmm,.... I dont really know of another engine I would maybe want to build, thanks for the honest advice liljay.
Daniel

 

I've completed enough swaps, helped with enough, and worked on so many thirdgens it isnt even funny any more, and at least have the sense not to try to be "different" just to spend extra money on less cubes cause it will be "different" while at the same time counter productive, you hardly are the one to be judging who is "smart" or not.

Like I said, try to be "smart" and if you're dead set on building a "305" to be "different" grab yourself a 350 roller block, a L99 265 crank ( 3" stroke 1 piece seal) have it bored .020 and maybe at least beat some people with your actual 305 ci small block, and ask for someone to put their money where their mouth is after they look at the back of the block and it says 5.7, (ps: make sure its enough to warrant removing your engine, dissassembling it, and the expendables to reassemble it. )

 

Well, what is left out there that's "unique"?

How about a 3.75" stroker 307? I've only heard of one of them, built to meet a magazine contest displacement limit.

How about a 4.125" bore 350? Not too many of them around.

My engines are somewhat "unique" - everybody knows you don't try to get power out of a 305, and if you're going big block, it might as well be at least a 454.

But, I'm running what I had, not what would be "best" if I had the money to build what I "wanted" from scratch.

 

I was thinking about getting the stroker kit from powerhouse for my car as well...why is it that people bash stroker 5.0s so much? im not trying to argue or be ignorant saying you are wrong...but shouldnt you be able to with the right set up be able to run 12s N/A w/a 335? i mean basically if i had a 350 i would do the same mods. cam, heads, intake, UD pulleys, drivetrain, suspension, weight reduction and everything and sure it my be a lil faster. but having a 12 sec. daily driver is good enough for me. and being able at the same time to say that i can beat LS1s w/a 5.0 is just as nice. so i mean what are some things i can do to achieve that goal???or in EVERYBODYS minds is it completely hopeless n have set that everyone is meant to build up 350s?

 

Because it has a small bore, limiting head selection, killing off airflow, and costs more, just to say you beat someone with a "305", which if you get your "335 kit" you definetly dont have a 305 anymore, and you've spent a good bunch more than just getting a good used roller 350 to go slower. Like i said if you're dead set on building a "305" a simple set of .020 over 350 pistons, and a crank / rods from a L99 will net your 305 ci, and at least allow you to use whatever off the shelf heads you want, and make some fun power.

 

ghettosmurf

Like me, you don't have a 350 to build. Okay, look at that $900 Powerhouse kit would really cost compared to a 350 (you really should get the externally balance damper & flexplate while you're at it, and have it balanced while you're at it):

1) I haven't tried very hard, but if you can't find a builder 350 and buy the parts needed to rebuild it for $900, you're just too focused on that "neat" 305 stroker kit.

2) Assuming you have all the required machine work performed on either, they will cost you about the same. But, the stroker will require you to do additional clearancing, which if you do yourself is just a matter of time but if the machine shop does it, that's even more cost. And you may need to go with a reduced base circle cam - more $'s.

3) If you think a 334 stroker is going to outrun LS1's, you need a reality check.

4) For the extra money that the 334 stroker kit costs over a 383 stroker kit, you could get a bare 350 block and have an additional 49 cubes that are not hindered by cylinder shrouding. Maybe then you could go LS1 hunting (assuming you support that 383 shortblock with the proper bolt-ons).

 

The powerhouse kit is the kit that was used in the 334 that I helped with. As far as clearencing goes, we had to grind the rods so much to clear the cam, that one rod bolt pulled through because there wasn't anything left(I walked out of the garage at that point, I didn't want any part of it) We ended up retarding the cam 4 degrees because there was no way the rods were going to clear it. Maybe if you used cap screw rods it would be different.

As mentioned the small bore is going to limit you to a 1.94 intake valve and a 1.5 or 1.60 exhaust valve. As far as custom pistons I don't know, I can't remember what kind of pistons came with the powerhouse kit we got.

I am all for being different, that's why I built a 406 and not a 350. That's why I went with a roller cam and protopline heads, dual exhaust and a good converter. Yeah there are a lot of people out there with the same stuff, but it's not a 350 or even a 383. I love seeing the look on peoples faces when they ask what it has in it, and I say 406. There mouths open and are like, ooooohhh a 406.

Yeah I spent some money on the build up, but it runs 7.8's with no traction, with 3.23's gears, with overdrive and lockup, on 255/50/16 radials and can drive anywhere in the contentinal USA with appropriate(sp?) funding for gas.

 

see that 5 liter is the way to build a 5oh...its a DZ motor with 3 more cubes ....now people can say "man that 305 is fast"

 

Yup, just easier to get parts for and a little less oil leakage

 

hey ill take that quart of oil leakage over 6 months for that 7,000 rpm redline baby!!!....my grandpa has a 68 DZ with the balanced and BP race motor from the trans am series..(he got the original motor crated and stored in a temp controlled room) and he doesnt shift till 8,200 or so ....absofrigginlutly bad ****

 

No he didn't. The "DZ" motor (just a 302) didn't come out untill 1969. 1967 and '68 Camaro 302s, as if theres any other kind lol, were designated "MO".

Just a little trivia for ya, didn't mean to bash what you said

 

i think i might get a ramjet 350...do some computer work and ill be good for low 12s

 

Just build a stroker 2.8 and be done with it. The magizine caption will read "small cubes, big stroke, no power!"

:lala:

 

now that is something that truely would fall in the the "something differant" box wouldn't it?

 

Another idea for a 305 - an L99 with the LT1 crank and rods. Of course no one makes a kit for this. Might be different none the less.
Larry.

 

Or better yet a LT1 with L99 crank and rods. That would be a 302, and a sweet one at that.

 

Just curious why you'd want to dump all that money into a 2 bolt main block? Unless you are going to splay 4 bolt main caps in?

Not trying to be a jerk, just curious.

Chris

 

Why not? Anything tame enough to be driven on the street doesn't need 4-bolt mains.

 

Why not a V6? Prolly spend the same amount of cash

 

If you're going to do that, then why not just find a 350 2 bolt or a 400 small block?

You'd be into either one of them for real short money, when I say short I mean $1000 or under for a nice tame streetable engine.

 

Isn't there a guy on here, Baddest305 or something, who was running in the 10's with his 305? I'm sure he couldn't wait to sway his engine out and put an L98 in.

 

dont talk to the ppl here that seem to think "racing" is I-4 and a fart pipe sticking offa stock 1-3/4" pipe. i call them lawn mower races they call tehm "racing papa".

im in FL and im smart... i have a 305 and coulda built it up but the 305 is teh sux0rs for building stuff up. the only reason you should say you have a built 305 is if its a destroker that can rev high, not if its a 305 block

 

But if he's running 10s on a 305, imagine what he could do with the extra 45 inches and better breathing

Plus, I think that car is sprayed too, which changes the 'rules' a little.

 

My pistons are made by Keith Black, I'd give them a call and see what they can do for you. They are hypereutectic and have 10:1 compression on a 58cc head.

 

"Keith Black" = Silv-O-Lite brand name

SOL just licensed the use of Keith's name for their product.

 

Interesting bit of info

 

Are they good pistons? I'm still looking for a set for the engine I'm building. I wanna go forged, but it seems way too expensive, and I know cast or hyper would probably be fine in what I'm building.

 

From what I've read they are pretty good. And they are definitely fine for a N/A motor. If I was spraying, I wouldn't go more than a 125 or 150 shot...but they should handle it with a good tune.

 

Apparently you have to have a custom piston made if you stroke the 305,.... I was wanting a forged piston so I could put some boost to it but O well,...... I have a 350 about to be finished and a 327 waiting for me to touch it so screw the 334 deal,......
Daniel

 

KB makes a 334 piston
It's a dished hypereutectic for a 3 3/4" stroke and a 5.7" rod

http://kb-silvolite.com/calc.php?action=comp

 

Well, I think you all have it wrong. Iron duke project engine try to get over 1.5 hp per ci :lala:

Edit: I mean NA too.

 

You can get a whole stroker kit with crank, 10-1 pistons, rings, etc for $599 from


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here check out this kit it will make your 305 into a 340


http://www.speedomotive.com/sbc_305_...oker_crank.htm
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