Renegade_Brad

What is the cheapest way to achieve 500hp.

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

Nitrous.

StngKlr

Do you realize how broad of a question that is?

How about giving some more info. on things like:

Is the car street or strip or both?

What motor?

F.I. or Carb?

And so on. Thats a good start.

You are not going to get responses for general questions like that on this board. People want to see you put forth a little effort to show that you are not wasting their time. Trust me. I'm not being rude (I dont think, lol), I'm just stating the facts.

pasky

You get a lot of these from the junior members =/.

StngKlr

Yeah, maybe a Search would net some kind of info. There's also stickys at the top, some info. there.

Renegade_Brad

Ok maybe a better question would be what kinda engine would be the cheapest to get 500 hp out of.

pasky

Your still not on the same thinking plane....How do you want to get there? You want to throw nitrous on it, blower, or maybe all motor? You want a stroker? What kind of intake, carb or fuel injected? Your not gonna get many answers the way your asking. OBviously the cheapest way is to get a 350 and just throw a bunch of nitrous into it, but good luck getting that to last.

THEGENERAL

thats a good ol small block grenade as we call em when you get that much nitros in em ...LOL

Air_Adam

Easiest 500hp? 454 on juice.

Cronic3rd

A ford 302 with 200hp of spray. $300 for the complete motor and $500 for a nos kit. Granted it won't fit into a 3rd gen with out some shenagians and has a limited life expectancy but that is cheap. For that matter hot rod got a stock 350 to like 500 or so with spray. It blew up on the dyno but that was when they went to something like a 350hp shot.

Now do you want 500 reliable hp? I would prolly go with a heads and cam 454.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Okay, this is approaching silly.

1st, where did 500 HP come from? The air? Or did you read a magazine that had an article about a cool car that was estimated to produce 500 HP? Or, did you actually calculate what HP would be required to produce the performance goal you have set?

2nd, what are you going to do with this beast? Is it a weekend warrior, strip-dedicated, or dual purpose machine? Do you need it to get to work/school every day, or can you afford having it broken and unavailable?

3rd, making the power is the least of it. You need to be able to handle it. Start where you want: transmission, rear end, chassis - if you don't spend the money on all of these areas, all you're going to do is find the next weakest point and break it. Figure on spending at least as much money on the rest of the car to handle the power as it will cost to make the power.

Finally, I know some people who have engines that make a true 500 HP at the flywheel. None of them drive this car on the street, and certainly none drive them daily. And, none of them are "budget" packages. The fact that you asked which engine would be the cheapest to use to produce 500 HP is indicative of you not being ready to really do it.

wm_sorg

There is a good thread in this section that details the cost of an SBC 400. That will give you a good idea of what you are in for.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=220791

unknown_host

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Build a stout 350 with forged pistons and run a 150 shot.

Spectre

There was this EXACT threat posted by Kingtal0n.. I couldnt
find it in the search..

Id say a 406 with a centrifugal SC , no probs..

I wouldnt look for the cheapest way.. at that power level.. you want bulletproof hardware..all forged.. AFR heads.. vortec SC ..

THEGENERAL

yeah would have to agree the cheaper you go to get high horses the less reliabilaty your gonna have and your gonna be breakin stuff all the time with that much horse power no matter what youve done to your ride already

Renegade_Brad

I want to do this with just the motor. I don't want to use a charger, nitrous, or anything. I am looking to spend under $5000 on the thing. This will mainly be a weekend warrior/town driver.

Spectre

Then get a 454 and rebuild it ..

Lonestar

Take your $5,000, start trading whatever you can (labor included) to earn yourself a GM 502 crate motor, then spruce it a bit. Shoehorn it in your car and break the unibody in half.

pasky

scottland

That is what is called a pipe dream.

You need a bigger budget, or a smaller goal.

THEGENERAL

pasky

In all honestly, I think it can be done using a 383 SBC gen I or II, forged internals, ported heads, ported intake, big cam, 1.6/1.7 roller rockers, headers, and a cutout for 5 grand if you do the labor yourself. The only problem is you'll spend an extra 4 grand getting the damn thing to hook and a 12 bolt or ford 9".

Cronic3rd

here is a quote I have heard quite often and it is very relevant-

You can have a fast car cheap but it won't be reliable
You can have a reliable car cheap but it won't be fast
You can have a fast reliable car but it won't be cheap

mindkiller

Like Chronic said:

Fast
Reliable
Cheap

Pick 2...

THEGENERAL

AMEN.....

Lonestar

I still stand by what I said...take your $5g, earn some more and buy a 502 crate motor from GM. You shall get the power you desire with a dependable engine, what more could you ask for?

THEGENERAL

youd have to earn another couple grand for the suspension and rearend work your gonna have to have done to

Daz

iTrader: (1)

do you get off spewing bull**** all day?

Why would you need a rearend and suspension work?I have stock IROC springs in the front(cut) and a stock 9 bolt everything is great.My car still handles the same as with the small block.
$5K/500HP is entirely possible if youre patient

used 454,large chamber oval ports, healthy cam and springs.

I use the car daily

Daz

Riley's35089rs+

guess it all depends on how you drive it..... My 406 is in that HP zone but by no means is it streetable. The motor was built by Racing Heads Services (comp cams) For around $7000 10yrs ago.

ljnowell

Thegeneral isnt spewing BS, if you are gonna have 500hp in a thirdgen, and you leave all suspension stock, you wont be getting very much traction. Also, I believe there is the matter of a tranny. You cant put 500hp to a stock tranny. forget it. Now, why dont you stop spewing BS.

THEGENERAL

not spewing bull **** at all do some readin before you blow up .....all i told him his that he is gonna need to upgrade some suspension and his rearend , traction and thats gonna cost a couple grand for quality parts and labor if hes not gonna do it himself and not every one can get a used 454 at the drop of a hat so just settle down i wasnt even replyin to you any way and i had a 355 that was putting out 503 hp that i had in a 73 camaro so i do know a thing or two about cars i built it myself and it ran great and we had over 5k in the motor alone and it was street driven also but it wasnt a daily driver and why start a flame war over a reply i put that just stated fact dude!!!

Daz

iTrader: (1)

the question is 500hp for $5k nothing else.Grasp that.Now you and your co-horts can whine how the car will not have traction bull**** but at the end the topic is about 500HP as cheap as possible.You can build a 500HP motor but you cant understand a one sentence question..Do us all a favor and BS elsewhere

Daz

THEGENERAL

im so sorry i didnt realize you are the *** of the 500 hp engines my bad..lmao...hey im just tellin him that if he puts 500hp in his ride hes gonna need alot of other stuff too so settle down and relax

Daz

iTrader: (1)

Is this the tranny board?Or are you just trying to protect your lesbo lover?If he has $5K to spend on motor then he can afford another $5K for the rest of the car..The topic is in the title in plain english.

Daz

THEGENERAL

oh yeah i forgot you know everyone on here pesonally dont ya and you know how much he has to spend othen than the money on the engine my bad ...lol

Daz

iTrader: (1)

you also forgot to stay with the topic..lol

Daz

THEGENERAL

is callin someone a lesbo lover stayin with the topic also??? anyway i was just tellin him that if and when he builds his budget 500 hp engine for 5k hes gonna need to do some work onhis suspension too just givin him a heads up ....why are you takin this so personal ?? your not the know all of the car world man.....

ljnowell

hey daz, you got a problem with the world? Thats a kind of a load of crap, I dont know what you got agains me, but I sure as hell haven't started anything with you. Why dont you get over it?

Riley's35089rs+

and ye, he will I have to upgrade a lot if he wants his car to keep from twisting in half.
There is a guy here in town that runs a stock ls-1 with a 200 shot. He runs high 10's Rules the streets here. But tell me how long that stock motor and 4rth gen car is gonna take it. He is 500hp to the wheels and thinks he is king ****. I think he is king R1cer.
Point is our cars werent made for a big block. period. To be safe and lasting..you have to make upgrades.

Daz

iTrader: (1)

generaBSl/ljnowhereI have nothing against either of you lovers except that you did not answer or help in anywaye..so shut yer bitchmouths ..lol..

Riley,
FYI Your car will not twist in half...lol..FYI2 Big Blocks are only 150lbs heavier than an SBC..so the difference in power and weight are very small.

Daz

Riley's35089rs+

If you didnt have to modify your car for the BB to fit, you are the first...if you are running without sub-frame connectors you are twisting your frame....you are being just down right silly by posting the things you are saying. Get your info right. There are really some humble people on this sight that are asking for help, and right now you arent being very helpful.

THEGENERAL

hey pal no reason to call names about something you obviosly have no knowledge about ...there as stated by myself and Riley's35089rs+ and a couple others on here that you will need to upgrade your rearend and use of subframe connectors and the factory torque arm .....

Daz

iTrader: (1)

define modify?..

I have Spohn SFC's but that doesnt matter does it?The people that are silly here are the ones who are answering how he cant have 500HP for $5K which is in fact whatm the original poster has been asking.The post is about $5K and 500HP not what you need to do to a car after having 500HP.Stick to the topic.The help he needed what he was asking for..

To make this not a waste of post..

Large oval port headed BBC's capable of 650HP were available until 1986 on passenger trucks and Suburbans (watch out for the tall decks).peanut port heads were offered with SS454's until 1990(less desirable)So these BBC's are plenitful.Im constantly finding rebuildable long blocks for $1000 or less.Dont be afraid to do it as cheap as possible.Just dont forget the basics

Daz

Daz

iTrader: (1)

Either Riley or you havent contributed to the actual question..I guess you are very knowledgable on things that YOU cant do..lol.The ole change the topic trick doesnt work either..lol

Daz

THEGENERAL

the ol change the topic trick isnt what is bieng pulled here pal all that is being said is that once he gets to 500 hp that its going to need some upgrading ....and i CAN and HAVE done the things that are being brought up here so back off and settle down .....

now with that said i believe that you oughtta go with a good stout 383 stroker to achieve this power and have a easier install in the end and less problems on the longterm...Renegade_Brad ...and like everyone on here including DAZ that is my opinion to your question....

Daz

iTrader: (1)

THANK YOU!!! a sensible specific response to simple question..

boutdamntimethough...

BTW starting with more cubes (400 block) might be easier,cheaper and more streetable/reliable IMHO..lol

Daz

THEGENERAL

wow and finally not a smart azz response from you.....lol...
ive seen many a 383 stroker put out some outragous numbers with 5 k stuck in em ..and a larger displacement could net a couple more horse and ft lb of torque id still say start with a 350 there more easily accesable around my area that is ...thats what i would go with imo...ive built quit a few engines in the last 14 1/2 years ...lol..since i turned 16 and started workin with my uncle ...weve always had awsome luck with the 383 stroker and many a people do to i believe you can get to 500 hp and 500 + ft. lb. of torque easily with a nice set up 383

scottland

General, It's not that simple in his case.

I'm assuming by the simplicity of the question, that he hasn't done much to his car yet.

So he doesn't already have headers, he doesn't already have a good flowing exhaust system, If he plans to keep fuel injection, he is going to need to ditch TPI, and a replacement that is going to support that kind of power is pricey.

So yes you could build the engine itself for $5000, and it would make 500hp on the engine stand with a carb. but to get it to make 500hp with fuel injection and in the car, is a more costly challenge.

as I said before,

A. Get a bigger budget,
or
B. Get a smaller goal.

THEGENERAL

id have to agree and thats also some of the things that are involved with it most definately just dont let Daz see you posted that he will flame the heck outta ya for it ..lol..because according to him as long as the engine makes 500 hp then it doesnt matter at all..lol....
but yeah i beleive he will need a larger budget no matter what when he goes to make the 500 hp just because of the other mods that need done to the car afterwards...

five7kid

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Well, this has gone beyond silly and beyond tech. The posts these last two days have hardly contributed to the original question.

Daz, cool it already. As I said a long time ago, "making the power is the least of it." Since there are more than a few people who come around thinking all you need to do is spend the money to make the power, a dose of reality is in order. I had hoped this thread had died of natural causes, then you revive it again and start slingin' slop.

Since the originator hasn't responded in awhile, can we assume that his original question has been sufficiently addressed? The rest of this is just grade school playground nonsense.

I will leave this open for the originator to respond only. If he doesn't have any further questions, the rest of you keep your opinions about each other to yourselves.