Joey1986Z

No, I ain't planning on doing this.
Has anyone ever seen this done?

I think it would be interesting.

Tas

they used to come with the old iron duke 4cyl.

RB83L69

Seems like an awful lot of maze to run for very little cheese....

Why go to all that trouble when you could have a V8 in it for a fraction of the cost and trouble, and outrun it by several seconds in the ¼?

ATOMonkey

Just going off of my GM experience, I'd have to say that it would work. Quad 4 is the same as 2.4 that's in Saturns and pontiacs and such. F-bods did come w/ the 2.5 Iron Duke which was also the base engine of all the quad 4 cars. So it could be said that a T-5/2004R should probably bolt up w/o many probs, but you'd probably have to make your own motor/tranny mounts. Definately different and would help with the weight balance. I think turbo kits are plentiful, but could be wrong. Wouldn't be hard to fab in any case. It would need new front springs. That would make a better autox car.

Upon further investigation I found this.

http://www.mantapart.com/q4rwd.html

fossil_6977

are you insane????? a quad 4 from my experience is the poorest motor gm ever built and the costliest to repair. sure theey have plenty of power and zip but lets be practical...i think it would be better off put into a lambo kit car and not an f-body....personally if any motor swap into a f-body would be interesting i think it would be a mopar 383 or a ford 302....has anyone seen this happen yet?????

ATOMonkey

Welcome to the board. Let me start off by saying YOU are the insane one. I will not poison my GM with SLOWPAR crap. I also have no desire to Fix Or Repair my firebird Daily. Quad 4s are much better than they used to be. They have a bad name because of the first couple of years in the 80s when everything was fubared. It's the same thing as the 2.4 twin cam that is in everything on the face of the planet for the last 20 years. They also made very nice 2.3 quad 4s into the late 90s before that eco crap engine came out. A turbo quad 4 would make in the neighborhood of 240 Hp with a conservative tune. Most V8s can't boast that. It would also take about 150 lbs off the front of the car. Now it's in DSM class. Everyone takes those things seriously. I think that it would be put to better use in a Fiero instead of the terrible version of the Iron Duke that's in those things.

Also remember that some of these poor F-bods actually came from the factor with 4s. This would be a bolt up and not a bad upgrade.

84 Challenge

I actually have one of those L4 Camaros. Not proud of that little engine by any means. But the Quad 4, sounds like, would be a better swap than a V-8. Better as in easier, that is. But aren't those made for fwd? Would a Quad 4 have to be modified in some way to work in a Camaro?

Brandon

MorgRS

Quad 4's came be potent mills ($$$). If I recall back in the eighties they got one to put out well over 1000hp. I think A.J. drove it for a close course record (beating the 917/30). My memory may be wrong, back then I dove Europeon cars so American speed didn't mean much to me.
If I'm correct it does show you can make anything fast with forced induction, ala pusstangs.
"Just weld the heads on and force it till the bottom comes out..back off one notch..do again" any one can do that if they got the $$$!!!!!

PONTIMANIAC 90

Perfect demonstration of know-how, understanding of cars(american&european), speed, power. There's some power-adder tid-bits thrown in as well. All this secretelly disguised to discredit Ford. Am I wrong?

ATOMonkey

Once again I'm not sure, but that website I listed does have a rear mount conversion kit. Things you'd have to look at would be

1) Motor mounting locations on the block to the frame

2) Flexplate/flywheel mounting and number of splines

3) bell housing bolt patterns

4) accessory mounting, unless you don't have PS

5) Oil pan K-member clearance.

I'm not saying it would be impossible, but I don't think it's a backyard job either.

ATOMonkey

If someone wants to donate a rolling chassis I'll do it. I've got lots of spare time.

spud

When I took out my Iron duke, I took the fan shroud off and stood on the ground in the engine bay, I think there is enough room for a turbo or two.
Later

Ace_Murdock

i was thinking of something like this earlier today.

i think it would be pretty cool to turbocharge something like that.

possibly a v-6 as well.

also fossil_6977 putting a ford into a gm car is sacreligous. you can put gm into ford, because they are better, but not the otherway around

v8powr

wow..just a few months ago i coulda donated yall an engine...had a 91 quad 4 H.O 2.3. Think it was rated at 180 hp stock. But i drove it around with bad motormounts for so long i cracked the block....i really miss that car.

LottaBallsCamaro

Dont forget that the intake would be backwards...

tenny24

I would be more interested in seeing if the new 2.2 Ecotec engines would work, they are all aluminum and GM is releasing a lot of performance parts for them in the Cavaliers and Sunfires. GM has a couple concept cars with that engine in the 700HP range.

84 Challenge

Is the 2.2 in a 2002 S10 considered an "Ecotec" engine? This is getting a little to ***** for me.

Brandon

ATOMonkey

Rice Schmice! As long as it's done well, and it's not obnoxiously slow it's not rice. It's just a lighter *** kicking camaro with a solid mount turbo 4 banger. Or, if you use the rear drive 2.2 you could actually use real motor mounts. Might actually get these big tanks down to a decent fighting weight. Let us not forget the 2.3 turbo yacht that Ford made. Stupid T-bird weighs over 4000 lbs. What a boat. Still scoots down the 1/4 pretty good. Just think of that car as a stretch Mustang.

tenny24

No, the 2.2 Ecotech is in the Sunfire GT and Cavalier Z24, I believe that it may be in a Saturn as well. It is an all aluminum 16 valve engine making 140HP. Its basically Chevy's answer to the honda engines. The S-10 has the 2.2 engine that comes in the base Sunfire and Cavalier, its an OHV Valve engine making 115HP.

84 Challenge

Would custom engine mounts be needed for a 2.2 in a Camaro? I'm assume stuffing a 2.2 in there would be somewhat of a challenge.

Brandon

ATOMonkey

I'd bet lunch that it won't bolt up. Prolly need a custom tranny mount too.

johnsjj2

I'm going with fossil_6977. These engines in the 90's sucked. GM had a service bulletin that stated every 30k miles, the heads were prone to cracking. My sister had one of these in her Cutlass, and they were right, at 32k, the head cracked. THey had numerous problems. I do believe they have solved the problems now. I see them a lot in new Grand Am's. If they still knew they would have warranty issues, I don't think they would still use them.

igotslicksNchix

come and get it ATO monkey! the chassis is free but the body costs 150 bucks(hehhe they're connected, shhhh). naw when i'm done selling the parts off of it, it's free to a good home, or any home. no title, abandoned car, the cops said i could have it.

ATOMonkey

C'mon man, don't tempt me like that. I'm already over my car limit. LOL Stupid county says I can only have 7 cars in my drive. In another 5-6 months I'm going to have to find another place to live. I'm thinking 4 car garage with a studio apartment over the top. Hell, I'd probably be happy with a cot in the corner if I had a garage like that.