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Someone's got his name and number....
I posted everything I could come up with from his profile...
I posted everything I could come up with from his profile...
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George Bowers
House numbers:
443-682-7916
443-449-5300
Cell Number:
443-255-2380
Address where money orders were shipped to:
Edward L Sr & George E Bowers
348 S Smallwood St
Baltimore, MD 21223-2942
(410) 362-0339
and that's one more number
House numbers:
443-682-7916
443-449-5300
Cell Number:
443-255-2380
Address where money orders were shipped to:
Edward L Sr & George E Bowers
348 S Smallwood St
Baltimore, MD 21223-2942
(410) 362-0339
and that's one more number
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Re: 2 holley stelth rams
Sadly, in the 8 years I've been here buying stuff, this is the first buy/sell experiance that I've had go wrong.
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Just one for 450 (400 for the HSR/TB and 50 for shipping) via overnight with a bank money order.
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Where are you from anyways?
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Where are you from anyways?
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Ahh ok, if the fu*ker is there I'll inquire about your encounters with him also. I have a few ideas of how this can work out.
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bring 5 of the meanest boxers you can find at the local boxing gym...see how fast he gets you all the money he scammed.
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Nahh no violence will be incurred, just a nifty way to get 20 poilice cars there (I might get fined for doing what I want, but screw it it will be worth it!)
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Just to update all of you -- i filed a complaint with the Internet Complaint Center, the US Postal Service Fraud Division and my local police department who said they would contact the Baltimore PD. Hopefully something will come of all of this. The police officer also told me to consider bringing a civil suit against him and suggested that for all of us who got scammed we go into together, which makes it more powerful. I'll keep you all informed and thanks to everyone who gave me the advice to do all this.
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nothing about voilence, I never said to physically hurt him...it's the threat of violence and intimidation that people are responsive to. We all know who he is and where he lives....whatever happens; happens.
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I hope the best for everyone. I feel pretty confident that I will get my money back since it was electronically and both paypal and my credit card have protection against merchandise that never gets shipped
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Sorry to hear about the p.o.s. scamming people, that is why I use paypal. I learned the hard way. It also makes it hard for honest people to sell things. I too have bought many things here and sold many. I bought a HSR last week from a mamber, he was very honest and did what he said, SUX others can't follow his example........GOOD LUCK GUYS..................
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Luckly, I did not buy anything from him Guys Keep an eye out for new members that register recently, it could be him again in a different user name.
If it was me I would just stake out that house until I see him come back and see what he drives, probably a ford or honda. Then I would wait until like 3:30am on a weekday and pour about 3 gallons of gasoline al over his car and let it run down the cowl panel and then quietly lite it with a paper ball on fire from a distance thrown at the car. That would just be a warning of what is to come. I would not hurt him physiacally, I would hurt the things that he cherishes.
But hey, thats me. Dont get in to trouble because this guy. He's not worth it. It seems he has been planning this for a while, well he'll get what coming to him. It must be cool to fill a super soaker with gasoline and shoot from a distance, I've heard all kinds of crazy as$ stories.
You know he is probably reading all this shitting himself that someone might actually hire a Private Investigator to locate him and to find his real name and address if the one you guys posted is fake.
YOU f*#@ING SCUMBAG, YOU WILL SOON LEARN THAT IT WAS NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOU STOLE FROM HARDWORKING PEOPLE TO ENDANGER YOUR LIFE WITH. I HOPE HE READS THIS.
If it was me I would just stake out that house until I see him come back and see what he drives, probably a ford or honda. Then I would wait until like 3:30am on a weekday and pour about 3 gallons of gasoline al over his car and let it run down the cowl panel and then quietly lite it with a paper ball on fire from a distance thrown at the car. That would just be a warning of what is to come. I would not hurt him physiacally, I would hurt the things that he cherishes.
But hey, thats me. Dont get in to trouble because this guy. He's not worth it. It seems he has been planning this for a while, well he'll get what coming to him. It must be cool to fill a super soaker with gasoline and shoot from a distance, I've heard all kinds of crazy as$ stories.
You know he is probably reading all this shitting himself that someone might actually hire a Private Investigator to locate him and to find his real name and address if the one you guys posted is fake.
YOU f*#@ING SCUMBAG, YOU WILL SOON LEARN THAT IT WAS NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOU STOLE FROM HARDWORKING PEOPLE TO ENDANGER YOUR LIFE WITH. I HOPE HE READS THIS.
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Re: 2 holley stelth rams
I might be wrong but isn't fraud involving the postal service a federal offence? Maybe I watch too many cop shows.
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Guys I know i am new here but i still want to contribute as much as I can. Here is his Myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=142279631
also found in his first post that his AIM name is "openbar4life81" Don't know if he still has it though.
His E-Mail: Georgebowers81@hotmail.com
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Guys I know i am new here but i still want to contribute as much as I can. Here is his Myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=142279631
also found in his first post that his AIM name is "openbar4life81" Don't know if he still has it though.
His E-Mail: Georgebowers81@hotmail.com
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what a pos this happened to me earlier this year, i sent a postal MO (big mistake) to the guy to get some wheels tires. Well it turned out after doing some research he worked at a jaguar dealership in SC. So i found an SC f body site told my story and proof, a member helped me. The guy lost his job and i got my money back....dumb *** shouldn't have sent it to his work....
so its not impossible good luck
so its not impossible good luck
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Good that I didnt send him the money right away, since i live in Poland, the problem would be much more complicated... if anybody will be doing some legal thigs I can send you my mail with him which will be more evidence against him etc... btw. I belive PayPal does not refund all of the money if an item is not from an auction..? Just something like up to 200$ or so? im not shure... kick his *** from me.
Now Im scare to buy HSR from ebay auctions too :-P
Now Im scare to buy HSR from ebay auctions too :-P
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Paypal is a POS that is why I hate using them. I have had it happen twice if not an Ebay auction they don't really help. I bought a cell from from someone on an electronics forum and never got it. start a dispute and win and then come to find out "the seller has no money in his paypal account and owes 3 other people so when he puts money in his account (himself or from selling things) it will go to the first person that filed then next." So then I asked what if he just doen't use the account anymore? Well contact us in 6 months and see if anyone else has been paid. So I lost out on $150 on this one and then the other one was for $592 for a set of rims. So yeah I don't care for Paypal much.
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Dam Im glad this guy backed out of a deal that I had with him to buy my transmission.Would have gotten payed with the money he stole from you guys.That phone number given at the top of this page is the same number that he called me with.
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That really sucks that these guy's money. I thought it was strange that his "shop" that he works at had 3 HSRs with injectors and 58mm tbs just sitting around. And then the insanely cheap price. Wouldnt the TB and injectors cost close to $400 by themselves new? I've never been ripped off yet and ive been buying and selling things on message forums since 1999. This just makes me more skeptical to buy anything. Lots of Low lives on the internet now.
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Sweet!!!, whatever you can find e-mail it to me at kat136913 at yahoo dot com. I wanna see this fugger in jail. I dont mind doing the drive back and forth to baltimore to represent everyone.
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alright everyone... I know you think he scammed you.. but in all reality he got scammed too... I talked to him and i really believe him... look at it this way... if you had a holley stealth ram wouldnt you put it on your car? you know you would and you wouldnt sell them... The car he has came from me and i can say that it is not the one in his picture... i sold it to him with a blown tranny and he is working on that... its an easy scam for someone else... get into some ones third gen account... sell stuff under their name and keep the money? its that simple... he hasnt gotten any of the money... you can believe me or not but its all true... you will find out in court... have a good one guys...
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Re: 2 holley stelth rams
alright everyone... I know you think he scammed you.. but in all reality he got scammed too... I talked to him and i really believe him... look at it this way... if you had a holley stealth ram wouldnt you put it on your car? you know you would and you wouldnt sell them... The car he has came from me and i can say that it is not the one in his picture... i sold it to him with a blown tranny and he is working on that... its an easy scam for someone else... get into some ones third gen account... sell stuff under their name and keep the money? its that simple... he hasnt gotten any of the money... you can believe me or not but its all true... you will find out in court... have a good one guys...
He has had enough chance to come on here and let these guys know whats going on.
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To much against him phone calls, he cancelled a check for payment on painting. Your buddy is guilty face it. He lied to you just like others on here & soon he will get to tell his sob story to a judge!
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They are probaly one and the same person. He is on here taunting you guys. It has happened before.
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This looks like the same pic that was used here. Think it's the same person, or he just used the pic from the auction? Look at the people's ebay handle that have bid on this item. Looks kind off suspicious doesn't it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holle...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holle...QQcmdZViewItem
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He's up to it again, and still online on AIM people, his last post was 20 hours ago. Google his AIM name (openbar4life81) he's on a few Maryland boards, and talked about a few meets, people have to know him there.
http://transamgta.com/MessageBoard/s...8254#post28254
That his last scam attempt I'm going to post a warning with a link to here
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http://transamgta.com/MessageBoard/s...8254#post28254
That his last scam attempt I'm going to post a warning with a link to here
-Jim
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Get the ball rolling, guys and gals.
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/f...Complaint.aspx
http://www.ic3.gov/
http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/Internet_Fraud.shtml
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/f...Complaint.aspx
http://www.ic3.gov/
http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/Internet_Fraud.shtml
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He's up to it again, and still online on AIM people, his last post was 20 hours ago. Google his AIM name (openbar4life81) he's on a few Maryland boards, and talked about a few meets, people have to know him there.
http://transamgta.com/MessageBoard/s...8254#post28254
That his last scam attempt I'm going to post a warning with a link to here
-Jim
http://transamgta.com/MessageBoard/s...8254#post28254
That his last scam attempt I'm going to post a warning with a link to here
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http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=142279631
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Well here is another adress I found for him also..
3713 echodale avenue
baltimore, Md 21206
3713 echodale avenue
baltimore, Md 21206
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PM's from him.
And what you did is illegal also by taking people money and not returning them at all, no sending part, or anything at all.
Under "Federal" law you did is a felony and you can go to jail for grand theft, fraud, mail fraud, embelzzlement, and Im sure of a few other laws were broken. We came down yesterday just to get back the money that was ours, lied to our faces that no one their at that received the SIGNED deleivery and you didnt even have the audacity to show your face to make things right at all. I have a few friends that are very excellent lawyers and owe me a favor.
This is going to be fun for me. Oh yes it will.
i was out almost all of the but the funny part is my mom told me one of the guys said they saw me hummmm should have walked up to me if you saw me cause trust me i would have had no problem talking to you and ur 2 friends and another.
i'll be waiting for a court date since that is the law of Md and since i live here thats what we have to go by and please by all means come take the Car you saw trust me it wasnt mine lol you guys are pretty bad looking at pic's that is some guy that live on the corner i helped him put a motor in the car but mine looks 100% better then that one and mine was in the shop getting the tranny rebuilt wont have it back to thursday but this will all be over because yea it wasnt me who took the money i few a few sheets of papers from the police also and my bank and the mva to prove it wasnt but like i said next time u come to talk we can talk you wanna bring friends let me know how many just so i can have mine on hand incase u wanna do more then talk that is my offer to clear this up with you
Originally Posted by 1991 Formula
Originally Posted by Kat
Originally Posted by 1991 Formula
ok so here is the deal a police report has been filed by 1 of you ok now i dont care what stae you live in under Md state law one a report is made and ur told its a civil matter and u keep showing up at all these addresses its called harassment and under Md law u can go to jail so ur best bet would be Ill see you in court because no matter who is in the wrong everybody can get in trouble here so im just saying it now get everybody together i'll see them in court but if you dont believe me call and ask any cop you cant just shop up at every door u get an address to
Under "Federal" law you did is a felony and you can go to jail for grand theft, fraud, mail fraud, embelzzlement, and Im sure of a few other laws were broken. We came down yesterday just to get back the money that was ours, lied to our faces that no one their at that received the SIGNED deleivery and you didnt even have the audacity to show your face to make things right at all. I have a few friends that are very excellent lawyers and owe me a favor.
This is going to be fun for me. Oh yes it will.
i was out almost all of the but the funny part is my mom told me one of the guys said they saw me hummmm should have walked up to me if you saw me cause trust me i would have had no problem talking to you and ur 2 friends
i'll be waiting for a court date since that is the law of Md and since i live here thats what we have to go by and please by all means come take the Car you saw trust me it wasnt mine lol you guys are pretty bad looking at pic's that is some guy that live on the corner i helped him put a motor in the car but mine looks 100% better then that one and mine was in the shop getting the tranny rebuilt wont have it back to thursday but this will all be over because yea it wasnt me who took the money i few a few sheets of papers from the police also and my bank and the mva to prove it wasnt but like i said next time u come to talk we can talk you wanna bring friends let me know how many just so i can have mine on hand incase u wanna do more then talk that is my offer to clear this up with you
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Lol... Even after that hes still acting like a complete ******* a threatening us! I suggest 25 years at hard work in a mine or something... Good that is obvious he started to be afraid of himselfe and his mother after this... Good luck huys and If youll be needing any mails that Ive been talking to him with as a proof or something, just give me a PM and Ill mail you everything I got And keep us posted
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hey 1991 Forumula if it wasn't truely "you" who took the money, why don't you help us out in trying to find out who it actually was, you have had plenty of time to post on this thread and help us out, but instead all you want to do is remove your cardomain, change your profile on thirdgen, remove you AIM name. seems as if you are taking the defensive and just denying everything, and refusing to help... seems like something only a guilty person would do. any honest person who knows they are innocent would help the others out.
so if the only thing you want to do is go to court over this whole matter and deny it was you go right ahead. i have matching ip addresses that show where all your posts come from. i have (and im sure others do to) voicemails from you talking about selling these parts to me, and lets just say you have a very unique voice.
and you claim that those pictures are of "some guy down the street"? i have checked your AOL profile and you just so happen to put up a picture of "some guy down the street" with the caption "Me Looking Pretty Stupid I Hate This Picture lmao." plus plenty others. come on now
so lets just do the right thing here and return our money, and this does not have to go any further.
so if the only thing you want to do is go to court over this whole matter and deny it was you go right ahead. i have matching ip addresses that show where all your posts come from. i have (and im sure others do to) voicemails from you talking about selling these parts to me, and lets just say you have a very unique voice.
and you claim that those pictures are of "some guy down the street"? i have checked your AOL profile and you just so happen to put up a picture of "some guy down the street" with the caption "Me Looking Pretty Stupid I Hate This Picture lmao." plus plenty others. come on now
so lets just do the right thing here and return our money, and this does not have to go any further.
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Maybe Im blind or something but I see nowhere any denial that he done it... He just say to meet him in court, nothing like wazznt me :-P
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god now u cant even read i didnt say the pic's of me are the guy down the street i said the car damn get it right u people claim to see my car how did you see it mine is in the shop and my car dont look beat up like the one you saw and i did remove any info from anything like i said **** the internet we go to court i'll show the papers and you people can find the same person im looking for and trust me just like paypal told me IP's mean **** in court because they can be copied and the funny part i wasnt even in this state when all this **** happened witch yes i have proff on but has for the paypal whoever sent it should get a full refund from what they told me so untill then i have nothing else to say
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god now u cant even read i didnt say the pic's of me are the guy down the street i said the car damn get it right u people claim to see my car how did you see it mine is in the shop and my car dont look beat up like the one you saw and i did remove any info from anything like i said **** the internet we go to court i'll show the papers and you people can find the same person im looking for and trust me just like paypal told me IP's mean **** in court because they can be copied and the funny part i wasnt even in this state when all this **** happened witch yes i have proff on but has for the paypal whoever sent it should get a full refund from what they told me so untill then i have nothing else to say
Kat, get with the computer crimes division of the local Police Dept....they will have a few things to say about IP's and their validity in court.
Spoofed IP's only show the origin when connecting to a site. If that IP was released to this asshat's modem from his Interent Service Provider within the time frame, his spoof theory is just as ugly as his little pecker is. You can't spoof a hardware ID.
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Re: 2 holley stelth rams
so just to confirm... we are now talking to the "real" George Bowers? not the guy that is scamming him and us? so why dont you help us out, and we will help you out? you seem to rather fight us, why if we are both innocent victims? why dont you private message me with your phone number, we can talk and i'll confirm with everyone else if you are a different person than we have talked to prior to this.
on another note... this "person" that scammed you and us seemed to know a lot of personal information about you, your family, your friends, everything that matched your cardomain and online profiles, he had access to both your email accounts, both your paypal accounts, thirdgen account, transamgta.com account, and godragracing.com account, photobucket account, and probably others, even if it was true, why would this guy be so hardcore in just screwing you over, what exactly did you do to this guy?
and about your ip address, kewl_blades is correct, you can't spoof a hardware ip. its all linked back to the origin. so is your next move to say that someone broke into your house and got on your computer and did all this stuff to you, and if so, why was he on your myspace everyday from the 17th till now, was he scamming people on your myspace too?
on another note... this "person" that scammed you and us seemed to know a lot of personal information about you, your family, your friends, everything that matched your cardomain and online profiles, he had access to both your email accounts, both your paypal accounts, thirdgen account, transamgta.com account, and godragracing.com account, photobucket account, and probably others, even if it was true, why would this guy be so hardcore in just screwing you over, what exactly did you do to this guy?
and about your ip address, kewl_blades is correct, you can't spoof a hardware ip. its all linked back to the origin. so is your next move to say that someone broke into your house and got on your computer and did all this stuff to you, and if so, why was he on your myspace everyday from the 17th till now, was he scamming people on your myspace too?
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Re: 2 holley stelth rams
god now u cant even read i didnt say the pic's of me are the guy down the street i said the car damn get it right u people claim to see my car how did you see it mine is in the shop and my car dont look beat up like the one you saw and i did remove any info from anything like i said **** the internet we go to court i'll show the papers and you people can find the same person im looking for and trust me just like paypal told me IP's mean **** in court because they can be copied and the funny part i wasnt even in this state when all this **** happened witch yes i have proff on but has for the paypal whoever sent it should get a full refund from what they told me so untill then i have nothing else to say