grafx

In the tech article it says that it requires the hard to find 1/4" rivet for attaching the unit to the inside of the door. Do the rivets require a special rivet gun or will any do and where can the hard to find 1/4" rivets be purchased?? My driver side is bad but I'm considering doing the passanger side also, so the eaiser I can make it the better

EFF26

dont waste your time or your money on a rivet gun. Just use bolts in place of the rivets much easier . I have done both of my windows and that was the easiest way I found . I also used a few 5/16 sheet metal screws to hold in a few extra spots.

grafx

Why the extra screws?? Did it not seem secure enough

2vmodular

Most bodyshops should have the 1/4" peel rivets in stock. Bolts and nuts can work themselves loose over time causing the regulator to detach from the door.

Doneggo

do youself and go by the rivet gun, they have many uses and do not cost that much. you can by them at almost any retail store. walmart, meijer, ect. they cost between 20 and no more than 40 bucks. good luck

tyty49

Here is a link: (for peel rivets right?)

HarborFreight
http://www.harborfreight.com
#41291-0VGA
"Large Capacity Hand Riveter"
I think it's like $16.99 + S&H

Hope that helps

grafx

for those of you who have actually replace the motor, does this tool look like it will work?? I'm wondering if it will fit into the door to rivet the regulator to the door.

Morley

Eastwood and a few other places sell a tool that will install a blind threaded nut into sheetmetal. You put the nut in the far side and then use a screw or bolt to hold it all together. Use locktite on the fastener and it won't come loose.

SlowMaro

hell i just drilled holes through the rivits and used the bolts, worked fine for me, took about a damn hour to do that.

ebmiller88

iTrader: (7)

Lowe's, Home Depot, most hardware stores will have the rivet gun if that's what you want to do.

Ed

grafx

I think I'll just go ahead and use the bolts with some locktite. I purchased some of the smaller rivets for the motor itself to attach it to the regulator, but the 1/4" rivets won't work in my gun, too big. Just one other question, what do these peel rivets look like?? I've never heard of these.

ebmiller88

iTrader: (7)

You should have a set of "nipples" that go with your gun that allow you to change the size of the rivet you use, they usually thread into a part of the gun handle. If you don't have these, that's why the 1/4" one won't fit.

Ed

Vader

Well, to all that said "Home depot", "Lowes", etc. I seriously doubt it. Most hand riveters will not set a ¼" rivet. That requires either a large two-handed rivet setter or a hydraulic one. The smaller hand rivet setters typically won't set anything larger than a 3/16" rivet, and only does those marginally at best.

Bolts can work if you observe two precautions:

1. Use 1/4-28 or 5/16-24 (both fine-threaded) fasteners;

2. Use LocTite 242 or 262 on the fasteners, and torque them to the maximum recommended for the size you're using. Bolts tend to work loose and allow the motor to rattle in the door, which will not only annoy you, but will start wallowing the holes in the door until they are unusable.


The chjeapest large rivet setter I've seen is at http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=41291 , and it is BARELY able to set ¼" rivets satisfactorily.

2vmodular

The $20 harborfreight 1/4" rivet gun works fine for occasional home use. But I wouldn't want to try to use it in a commercial enviroment such as a bodyshop.

grafx

I don't know what these "peel rivets" are that were mentioned earlier but I found the correct ones called "Split rivets" specifically for regulators. I also found a list of good comercial type rivet guns capable of handleing the 1/4" rivets. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll post a link.

Vader

The Harbor freight "large" hand rivet setter is capable of setting a ¼" rivet, but as 2V said, it's not a constant-use item. It probably would be fine for what you're doing, as long as you keep it well lubed. They're on sale now for $11.99 - cheaper than most small hand "pop" riveters. They come with a small supply of several size rivets, including the ¼", but go to your parts suppliers and get a few ¼" peel rivets instead.

As for "peel" rivets (from McMaster-Carr online):

"Peel-Type Blind Rivets - Similar to T-rivets, these dome style rivets peel into four petals during setting, so you get a strong grip without pulling through soft materials. Ideal for fastening soft, brittle, or ductile materials such as plastic, wood, fiberglass, and cloth to materials such as sheet metal. Also good for irregularly shaped or oversized holes. You do not need a special nosepiece to set these rivets. The rivet does not retain the mandrel. Rivet is made of 5056 aluminum with a plain steel mandrel. Shear strength (listed in chart) is the amount of force applied against the side of a rivet that will cause it to break. Tensile strength (listed in chart) is the amount of pull a rivet can withstand before breaking. The ¼" size has a shear strength of 575 lb and tensile (pullout) strength of 840 lb."

I've used ¼-28, grade 8, button head cap screws and hardened nuts with shakeproof washers and plenty of LocTite 262, and that's about the only thing that won't work loose other than a rivet. The down side is that even with the button heads, the heads don't finish as flush with the door as they should, so you might generate a few bumps in the upholstery and eventual wear points.

grafx

as far as size. What size rivet should I use? Length and diameter. With a peel rivet is a back up washer necessary?

Vader

The factory rivets (I just happen to have some) have a 7/16 long body, and a 5/16" grip range. A backup washer isn't necessary, but couldn't hurt as long as you have adequate grip range for the extra thickness.

grafx

I found the rivets they are actually specifically for this purpose. Manufactured by Marson called Klik-Split rivets and labeled as window regulator/door handle rivets. I'm going to purchase the riveter from Harbor Freight and see how it works out, just so happens that it's on sale this week. I'll let you all know how things worked out