lakeffect2

I'm a rookie at this forum and I've tried using the search option to no avail so far.

When I open TunerPro RT I get a warning that says " mismatched ADS and XDF files" I have my XDF file as "super AUJP v4.xdf"

The only ADS files found on my laptop are "1227730 and 1227165-160

So what ADS file should I be looking for to match the "Super" xdf bin ?
Where can it be found ?




Dave Buchholz

slickfx3

I went thru the same thing recently , you have a 93, what ecm ID do you have,then you ,must find the right mask or calibration file first, the one you mentioned does not sound right,

then you need to find an .ads file that has the same numbers except it is a .ads file, now you able to get the autoprom to datalog.

lakeffect2

It's a TPI conversion, speed density, so I'm using the $8D mask for a 730 ECM.
Suggestions as to where I'll find an $8D .ads file will be appreciated

slickfx3

try this page


http://www.moates.net/fileman/index....%20Definitions

lakeffect2

Thanks. I went to the Moates site and grabbed the 1227730.ads file. There is stilla mismatch.

I'm obviously missing a step or several steps in the process to link the two sections of the software together and tie it all together.

This gets very frustrating in itself, not to mention the three years I've been trying to fire up a TPI swap unsuccessfully.

In Tunerpro I went to Tools> ALDL/ Data Logging> Setup. went to the top left had box where it says Definition File> Browse and added my acquired1227730.ads file and STILL get a mismatch.

The bin name I'm opening is titled: Superv4 scoop idle 04252008.bin
The XDF file opened is: 8D_saujp_V4_09032007.xdf



What am I clueless on here? I surely don't get it so far..

DENN_SHAH

iTrader: (1)

from the bin name, it sounds like someone uploaded just the bin to where you got it from.
like the XDF, the other ads files don't really work with V4.
go to Moates file manager and in Custom Modified Binaries, find S_AUJP_V4_1026.zip and download it.
it will have the correct XDF and ads files you need along with the V4 bin.
you may also want to get S_AUJP_V4 Inputs.zip
it has some other info for V4 that you may want to know about.

2 things about S_AUJP_V4,
There was a address error on the Extended VE table.
Be sure to fix it, info on how to do it is here,
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...4-1024-vs.html

a post from JP86SS about Data Tracing with V4.
Going from memory here...
There has been discussion on which MAP value to use when the data tracing is set up.
There is a 10Kpa offset when used with the VE tables within the code itself.
The MAP value that is used as data is not the same one used for the table.
You could be viewing one cell off so when you make edits they are in the incorrect cell. This is just how the code works.

lakeffect2

Many thanks and blessings for your kindness for responding.

Later today I'll dig for the suggested files.
Thanks for the heads up on the error as well. I'll view the thread soon.


Dave Buchholz
Lakeffect

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

Concerning the "mismatch" message,
Go to the " edit header" for the XDF and set the association for the ADS file. (Ctrl +F2 will open it also)
TP has the XDF and ADS linked for the data tracing feature.
When looking at doing simultaneous logging and editing the XDF items are "mapped" to the ADS item for feedback values.
If the ADS changes this warning pops up to inform you the datatracing may not work correctly if the items defined are different.
If you re-state which files are being used the message goes away.
This is in the "ALDL Association tab, select the ADS you are using and save.

lakeffect2

OK well by Jove, I think I've got it! No more mismatch warning comes up


I downloaded per your instructions for .xdf and . ads file from Moates custom binaries.


Hopefully a quick question. In the View > show lists area, The tables flags are not well organized in that they are not alphabetical. I was able to move things around, and I saved the bin and xdf when exiting. When reopening, the file list were all jumbled again. How do I get them to STAY alphabetical

When downloaded to my Prominator, does the process transfer both the bin and xdf file to the chip? Can't think of any other way it would allow it to work!


I also downloaded the 41026a bin from the zip file and noticed the lower and upper fuel tables do not match at 1600 rpm, and the upper table looks like someone sliced it with a knife at 35 kpa. Please edjumakate me as to what happened there!

lakeffect2

I came back to this thread to setup my TunerPRO RT on a laptop. As I re-read this section, I began to wonder if this is something of importance to note. How do I know what cell I'm really dealing with. I MIGHT be 10Kpa off, then again I might not be. How do I tell for sure? I'm using version "S_AUJP_V4.1026 "

As an example, if I'm watching the live "dashboard" feature and it says I'm idling at 35Kpa, or looking at a data log afterward, am I really there at 35Kpa or am I really at 25 or 45. Which way MIGHT it be off and how do I know. (or was it corrected in version that I'm using and no loger have to sweat it?)

I'm in speed density. 730 ECM, PROMinator $8D mask,heavily modified 400block with 230/236 cam 58mm body and SLP siamesed runners on ported plenum and edelbrock hi-flow manifold.

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

There were a couple of errors in the definitions provided with the package.
I've kept up to date mods needed in the original release thread located here:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...-released.html
You can see the progression of the issues and I've listed how to correct them by editing each item. Do a quick check on yours to be sure the changes have been made and you'll be good to go.
A full updated package is overdue IMO and I want to provide the full TP V5 Beta definitions with all my dashboards etc also.
Functional definitions have not changed beyond what is listed in the thread, just logging interface mainly for those that use TC and will need to add to their editing definition.

lakeffect2

Is this the reference you spoke of:

ADS edit:
MAP Kpa value needs the 10.354 offset to be added.
(X * 0.392156) + 10.354 should be the conversion

I've downloaded V4_1026 on 03/31/10 from the Moates site. Was this correction already made to the available file, or is hand correction still required?

Let me rephrase that for clarity, In Tunerpro, I've hit control+f2 and it went to "XDF Header Editor" to the "general" page, it reads:
JP AUJP $8D 06/10/2007 and XDF version S_V4.1022

I never found an ADS edit box.

the only place I see to make an entry is at the BASE OFFSET box. Somehow, I don't think this is it!

Thanks for all your help JP, Regards, Dave

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

Yes that is one of the references to corrections that are needed.

The corrections listed in the posted thread are all needed.
The 1026 release must be updated.

For "bin" editing related items you edit the XDF file.
As for the goofy extended table fix

For "Logging" related items you edit the ADS file.
As for the MAP reading coming from the ECM.

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

No that is the XDF header information you were editing.
You want to go to the "Item" edit.

Easiest way I can describe this is...
Press "F7", this will open the "Item Summary List" screen.
You can sort the items by clicking the grey bars at the top.
Makes finding the addresses easier when they are sequential.

Locate the item by either Address number or by name and highlight it.
Then hit "F2" or "Edit" from the menu bar.
Tweak as needed and then save with a new name so you know its the corrected file.

ADS "logging definition" editing is under the aquistion menu IIRC.
(Not sure because I don't have TP V4 on this computer, run the new beta exclusively at this point.)

lakeffect2

OK, I'm actually getting closer to the end this issue, but not quite there yet. I was able to open "Item Summary List" with F7 and found hundreds of entries. (first time I've ever seen it)

Can't say that I find a direct obvious listing for what I'm expecting to see under any item listed by "MAP" or by "Kpa". Perhaps it uses a name other than the obvious that I'm not recognizing.

By the way , at the top of the page, where it shows TunerPRO RT is open it also says "XDF File-8d_SAUJP-V4a.xdf" Let's make sure is not supposed to say "1024" or "1026" after it, as well, that I have the correct XDF file open to start with.


Using the value that I was looking for of either ((X * 0.392156) + 10.354)) which would be 10.7461 or just the original 0.392156 I can't say I found anything that matches up that should be either the converted or unconverted line that I'm still looking for. I also saw two entries with calc'd values of 0.39 which were both about %TPS movement, seemingly unrelated to what I'm after. But I feel closer at least.

For you, likely knowing this stuff so well, having written so much of it, it's as if your are looking for your kid's face in a picture of a crowd. You know that one out of thousands to look for. For me. I don't know what your kid looks like, And if someone described the color of their clothes, well I'm stuck looking at a black and white photo. Damned if I know! (Where's the WTF sign around here when you need it!)

Thanks again, Dave

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

Are you try to edit an item in the XDF?

If you go to that item, and either right click on it to open it's editor, or single click to highlight and hit F2, you can edit each item directly.

lakeffect2

Thanks for the reply Sixshooter. I'm looking for exactly WHERE I can find the item to create this recommended change so that the data seen is not incorrect. I'm looking for exactly where to find the following.


ADS edit:
MAP Kpa value needs the 10.354 offset to be added.
(X * 0.392156) + 10.354 should be the conversion

Where ever this item is found,under whatever heading or section it's found at, I haven't found it yet.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

Anything that uses MAP as a reference.

But I'm a bit confused here, in earlier posts you mentions XDF, but the above edit is for the ADS.

You can edit it directly in each variable as well, I just don't have TP RT on this computer to do a step by step. IIRC, you can find "Edit ADS" under the ALDL/Emulation tab in the preferences window in TP RT V4. You have to load the ADS first, then you can edit it. It has been a while since I played with V4 though, so I might be forgetting something. lol

lakeffect2

In post #11, John (JP86SS) mentioned:

"There were a couple of errors in the definitions provided with the package.I've kept up to date mods needed in the original release thread located here:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/di...-released.html"

Denn_Shah also responded in with:

"There has been discussion on which MAP value to use when the data tracing is set up.There is a 10Kpa offset when used with the VE tables within the code itself.The MAP value that is used as data is not the same one used for the table.You could be viewing one cell off so when you make edits they are in the incorrect cell. "

Ever since, I've trying trying to find the exact place in TunerPro Rt where I can make that 10 Kpa offset correction that is referred to as:

ADS edit:
MAP Kpa value needs the 10.354 offset to be added.
(X * 0.392156) + 10.354 should be the conversion

So yes, I am apparently looking to find a ADS related item about Map Kpa's, but don't have the knowledge or conceptual s kill to find it. Where ever this item is found, under whatever heading or section or item it's found at, however it needs to be found, I haven't found it yet.

lakeffect2

Iwent to: tools>preferences> default XDF tab... and found nothing but blank entry areas. If I go to the ALDL/Emulation tab, Nothing appears to be editable, just checkoff boxes.

No doubt someone has been there before to do this correction, but I'm not one of them.

JP86SS

iTrader: (1)

Your not catching the difference between the "Logging" feedback items and the "Bin" settings definitions.

They are two different things (Files)


OK, For Editing the MAP value issue (in the ADS) Since this is a logging value that is being displayed improperly.

TP V4 got to "Tools" menu.
ALDL/Data Logging
Setup...

Box opens,
Click the "bar" below the file name dialog box that says
"Edit ALDL Datastream Definition"

Expand "ALDL Sensor Data"
Find "Manifold Air Pressure (MAP) kPa" (Byte 26 as reference)
Needs to read: Factor box = 0.392156
Needs to read: Offset box = 10.354

Click "Save Changes and Close"
Done.

If running V5 Beta version,
Aquisition menu,
Edit definition,
"Values" list
Find the MAP kPa item
Edit in conversion tab to be: X * 0.392156 + 10.354000000
Save.

lakeffect2

JP. Thanks! That did it! I just found your kids face in the crowd.


My sincere heartfelt thanks to everyone who took the time out of their day to help me understand this (and so many times in the past on other issues) One more brick laid been laid in the foundation of my learning curve. I'm most appreciative.

Best regards, Dave