va454ss

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Must be missing something obvious. Using pin C2 on the EBL and the recommended relay. Have tried to relays. WUD shows fan is being called for, but am getting nothing.

RBob

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The ECM output pin will go low when the fan is commanded on. This is with the stock cal where the "Option Word 3 - Bit 0 - FanHi" flag is un-set (off).

The relay coil is to be wired from +12 volts (switched) and then the other relay pin to pin C2 of the ECM. A simple test is to key-on, engine-off and ground the ECM pin. That should activate the relay and turn on the fan.

You can ground the quad-driver outputs without issue. Just do not tie one to +12 volts.

These relays also have an anti-kickback diode across the coil. So it is important that the coil pins are connected properly (in regards to +12V and the ECM driver).

It is also possible that the quad driver is bad. With the WUD showing the fan on measure the voltage at ECM pin C2. It should be lower then 0.7 volts.

RBob.

va454ss

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Got it figured out.

I had the option bit set.

The diagram shows no ground going to the relay. Would the ground go to "C"?

RBob

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No need for a ground. Terminal C on the relay is left open.

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Drawings.php

RBob.

va454ss

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OK. Just wanted to verify.

Pre-Tuner

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I'll be installing a set of dual fans from a 2K Camaro into my truck and I have a few quick questions.

Where do you get the actual terminals from for the ECM connector? There's just an empty slot there now, right?

Would I wire both fans to separate relays?

I don't know if these fans have a high and low speed yet since I won't have them for a few days. It sounds like the EBL will only control one speed, so should that be the low speed?

Thanks

RBob

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There may or may not be an emtpy slot at that position. It all depends upon the harness used for the install. For a pin/wire I just get one from a current connector. At yards on a vehicle where the engine was cut out the ECM harness connectors with about a foot of wire can be had cheaply.

The reason is that a cut out engine also means the harness was cut. So they are happy to get even a few bucks for the connectors and short wires.

For dual fans, there are several ways to go. Whether there is a need for two relays depends upon a couple of items. First is the current draw of the fans. If one relay can handle it, then can run both fans from the one relay.

Note that I don't recommend driving more then one relay from the ECM. So if two relays are required can have the ECM controlled relay kick on the other relay. This way both fans run together with just the one relay controlled from the ECM.

Another method is to run one fan from the ECM. Then run the other fan from a head temperature switch. Which switch to use will depend upon the thermostat used. Usually have the ECM kick on at a lower temperature. Then if the temp keeps rising have the head switch kick on the other fan.

Or, if these are two speed fans, run the low from the ECM, and have the head switch run the high speed.

RBob.

rsc350

So the fan use to NOT be controlled by the ECM?

Where does that green/white wire going to pin F on the relay come from now?

RBob

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I take it your '92 RS is a TBI setup? If so, from memory there are three items that will turn on the fan relay. Again, from memory: the A/C switch in the dash, The cylinder head temperature switch, and the A/C pressure switch.

Any one or more will enable the fan via the relay via grounding.

If you are an EBL user, you can add the EBL fan output control to the others. That will allow the fan to be turned on/off by the ECM at a lower coolant temperature. And allow it to be controlled by the other three items.

RBob.

rsc350

Yup, 92 TBI and yes EBL user, my fan has up untill now been controled by a manual switch mounted in the ash tray. So your telling me I can find a wire behind my heater/AC controls and splice it to C2 on the ECM? I would not have to use a diode or anything to block to reverse direction or anything?

RBob

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No need for a diode or such. The wire is GRN/WHT, and when grounded turns on the fan via the relay. Tied to pin C2 to add ECM control. I checked the '92 service manual and the three items I listed for control on a stock vehicle is correct.

RBob.

kataklysm01

Besides the part number, if I go to my local Napa in Fredericton NB. They're gonna want to know the year, model of car, probably the colors inside the trunk and other silly questions.

So what do I tell them to find this part? Off a Camaro something?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-10094701/

RBob

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For a fan relay ask for one for a '92 Camaro/Firebird with the 3.1l MPFI engine (VIN T). Can also use a '92 Camaro/Firebird with the 5.0/5.7l TPI engine (VIN 8 & F).

Those 3rd gens have an ECM controlled electric fan.

RBob.

kataklysm01

Freaking Napa doesn't have the connector and want 15$ freight on it... I found some on ebay.. will these work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airtex-1P103...item415e79feb0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-IA...sories&vxp=mtr

RBob

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That appears to be a power antenna relay. If so it won't hold up to a fan.

RBob.

kataklysm01

10-4, thanks