robertfrank

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well I've got my EBL Flash and I want to get started. What do I do first after I plug this thing in? What do I need to change to at least get the thing running? If I could atleast get it to run like stock for now and then start tweaking that would be ok. what do I do?

RBob

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First thing to do after plugging it in is to check the data connection. Key-on, engine-off, fire up the WUD. Move the go-pedal and see if TPS% gauge moves with it. All OK? Good, go to the Flash display and try reading a bank out of the EBL Flash system. Works? Cool.

Can now set up a BIN to start off with. In the EBL_Information.html doc there is a list of items that should be checked/set in the BIN. Such as the Initial SA, BPC, re-limiters, and so on. If the CD has a BINs folder you can start with BIN EBL_F_0016.BIN. This is the closest to your current vehicle.

Otherwise you can start with the EBL_F_TB.BIN file. The SA may be a little high for LO3 heads but it is a good start.

Flash the BIN you checked/set into the EBL Flash system. Start a datalog, and a VE Learn session, turn the key & start the engine. Drive it around a bit (no flooring it!), get the engine up to temperature, then after about 10 minutes of driving pull over and check the VE Learn.

If Learn is OK, then stop it, and flash that BIN into the EBL Flash. Start new learn & datalog and continue.

RBob.

robertfrank

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How will I know it's ok? will it give me a warning or something?

RBob

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Just look at the corrections table on the display. Was areas learned in and if the corrections look reasonable.

RBob.

robertfrank

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Sorry but I'm a complete noob when it comes to tuning. As in reasonable, what are the first things to look for? Also, I don't have an EGR valve or a Charcoal canister. How do I turn those two things off in the EBL?

Ronny

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I dont have my RonEBL.bin here at office but I beleive you set the enable temp for EGR to a verry high number like 250 deg F. Also I believe there might be a spark adv table for EGR that you may wish to zero out. also there are some flags for MALF that you uncheck so there is no error code. With ther EBL I believe RBob gives you a help manual that may suggest some of the changes one needs to do day one.

robertfrank

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I was looking at my BINs and I noticed that thereisn't anything for an 88 tbi camaro. So the EBL_F_0016.BIN should work ok? Also I think I might have made a mistake on how my laptop reads my BINs. I accidentally made it use the WORDPAD to be able to see them. How can I fix this and what program on my laptop should I use to read them?

Ronny

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The only .bin that work with EBL are EBL.bins. I believe when I did the EBL thing RBob only offerred one. That was specific for a 305 auto F Body. I needed to change it for 350 cid and manual trans. Now I see he offers more than one. I think the other is more aggressive spark table. Not sure if he offers several(Suburban, etc.)

robertfrank

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Ok I got everything plugged in and now its saying "Cannot read Configuration File D:\EBL_WhatsUp.cfg" When I try to get it to VE learn and save a new BIN to create it's telling me that I don't have permission to access the file. or it says that cannot open COM port. But I was able to start the car and it ran, albeit like ****. However it did let me flash the "0016" BIN but thats primarily it. It won't even let me datalog.what am I doing wrong?

RFmaster

Ronny
For a heavy vehicle, with 350, I just mimicked ASDU SA tables as a starting point. VE learns dialed in fueling and KS counts took care of areas were advance was too aggressive. As with any tuning going slow at the beginning is a norm. I still have couple areas were I get excessive KS counts, perhaps because it got too lean, but then again Cali gas is crappy to begin with.

//RF

robertfrank

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Ok I got everything up and running and I'm confused. I set up the datalog and the VE learn so I can create a new BIN. How do I save it? Where are the new BIN's supposed to go?

robertfrank

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One more question. Do I need tunerpro to tune with this? How do I use it in conjunction with the EBL?

RBob

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When you started the datalog and the VE Learn there was a dialog box that asked what filename & path (folder) to place the new log/bin files. That is where they will be found.

For saving the files, don't really need to do that. Just stopping the data logging or the VE Learn will finish out the file and close it. Even closing the WUD program or shutting down Windows will cause them to be saved. It's fairly fool proof. Short of a Windows crash the files will be closed out and saved.

The only thing required after a VE Learn is to flash it into an EBL Flash bank for use.

RBob.

RBob

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Tuner Pro works, others use WinBIN. Short of the VE Learn all changes to the calibration are made via an editor. To use Tuner Pro (TP) start the TP program, then go to XDF (top menu) and select the EBL XDF file.

Then File->Open Bin for the BIN you want to change.

Left side of screen has the constants, flags & tables listed with the same titles as found in the EBL_Calibration.html doc.

Double click on one to open the editing window, make the required changes, then save. Then FIle->Save Bin. Don't forget to save the bin, easy to do.

Then with the WUD flash the newly updated BIN into a EBL Flash bank.

Note that using the PromID within the BIN lets you easily keep track of your BINs. That value is also displayed on the main WUD screens.

RBob.

robertfrank

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Well I have tunerproRT now and I'm abit clueless. what are the first things I should do with this? What should I change to the BIN first? I know I sound like a Noob but,e hey that's what I am when it comes to this tuning thing.

Ronny

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Quote: ZZ4 cam AND Aluminum New "463" casting ZZ4 heads installing after I learn how to tune.

That is a good thing. I pur cart before horse and did the cam and heads b4 I learned to tune. It would appear your engine matchs up with EBL.bin so there may be little to change b4 first datalog. I would start with car in CL fully warmed and see what the VE Learn is doing at idle and then up the rpm range under no load(park). That learn will give you insight as to what future learns will provide. Then redo Learn while car in motion on level road on a easy cruise. You may see trend. Contine redo of Learns and try to capture all rpm/map cells as possible. You may need to lock in 1-2-3 gear to hit a learn at higher rpm w/o trans shifting. you have it easy with VELearn. Years back I needed to produce the .bin corrections with a datalog and manual correction/burn to .bin. Once BLM is in order then you can work on AE as that may need to be tweeked. Check out "free tune" thread in stickies.

robertfrank

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Now can I do this with tunerproRT? In the EGR SA column so I just type in 0and save? And the enable temp, do I do that in the CTS column? What would I have to do in the max tps and DC% step size areas?

Also I don't have a charcoal canister or a VSS. what will I have to do in these areas?

robertfrank

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Anybody?

Ronny

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In Tunerpro there is a table or constant that allows you to set EGR enable temp. I set mine to a high enable temp. I recall there is a spark advance table as well. Just look top to bottom in tables or constants for "EGR".

Max TPS? You found that for EGR? If so, nothing, as it was disabled with the coolant temp at 250. DC? Is that for EGR? if so I dont think you need to touch it as EGR disabled for high temp. Maybe same is true for EGR SA? Not sure. wont hurt to set to zero.

robertfrank

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Ok I did that. I went to option word 4 bit 7- EGR because I did a search and found that if I unchecked the box the EBL won't even look for the EGR, it was already unchecked. also I set the EGR-enable CTS threshold temp to 151.25 C. and set the EGR- SA to 0. Is that all I need to do with that? Also about the CCP and VSS. what would I have to do to make sure that those aren't causing an issue do to the fact I don't have them? Do I have to set the CCP CTS enable threshold to its maxium to delete it?

robertfrank

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Heeeelllloooooo! anybody?, I have searched and I have read the stickies and I haven't found an answer.

Ronny

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CPP. I would agree set enable temp high. I think there is a bit to uncheck as well? Also unplug the line to TBI. Not sure if the line itself should be plugged. My line is unplugged currently. this is for VELearn only. Otherwise I believe it should be kept functional. My car does not have VSS so I cannot comment. I will guess set at 200 mph?
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Did you locate the "helpfull tips" help section on RBobs CD?

robertfrank

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yes i did, and while it was helpful; I can't find alot of the answers I've been looking for.

brokenparts

btt, I'm running into some of the same issues as robertfrank. I'm also looking to turn off my EGR, VSS, and IAT because I do not have them. How do I go about doing this. I can not find the specific tables/menus/etc in turnerpro.

RBob

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There is a large thread on tuning with the EBL:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...uning-ebl.html

It may (will!!) take a while to read, however, it is a treasure trove of information.

For the items in Tuner Pro they are basically grouped together. The first part of the item name specifies what area it is for. The full name matches up with the names in the EBL_Calibration.html document.

For the VSS and IAT, just un-set the malfunction codes for each. With no IAT the ECM will create a default value. Can change that to something reasonable and continue to use the IAT/CTS blend. Or, change the IAT/CTS blend to all 100% for CTS only.

The EGR is either real easy, or tricky. Depends upon whether the actual hardware is still in place. If not there such as on a pre-EGR vehicle, just leave it un-selected (Option Word 4).

If the hardware is present and need to disable it for tuning the VE tables. Then select it and set the CTS enable threshold to 150 C. AND, need to properly set the NC/NO solenoid option. Both in Option Word 4.

If the solenoid passes vacuum with no power it is an NO device. If the solenoid blocks vacuum with no power it is an NC device. Get this reversed and the EGR will be on when it should be off and vice-versa.

RBob.

brokenparts

This is what gets lost in translation... I do not see or know how to find and locate the physical table or menu to do this action. How do un-set the mal code? Where do I find this?

Reasonable is also tough when I have no baseline to judge from?

I'm not trying to be a brat... just looking for info.
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Again, I'm not sure what Option word 4 is or where to select or deselect it.

RBob

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When you open Tuner Pro there should be three windows on the left side. In these windows are listed the calibration parameters. If not, then click XDF (menu bar) and then Select XDF... Navigate to and select the EBL_V24.XDF file.

Then select the proper BIN file.

The left three windows from top to bottom is: individual values, flags, then tables of values.

If you are not sure which window it is in scroll through them. Then to open it for editing double click on that entry. Make the change and click save. Then File->Save Bin

Flags and such are either set or un-set. The values and tables can have new data typed in, or copy & pasted in.

RBob.

brokenparts

hot dang... I had the wrong xdf file open!!!! this changes so much! I dont feel so lost anymore. I guess I need to play with this some more too to generate some more stupid questions. Thanks for your patience and being responsive to this thread. You can also now ignore my email from zasuttner that I sent you this morning.

RBob

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Cool. No problem about the email. Just take your time and try stuff out in Tuner Pro. Get the hang of making changes, how to flash and read back the calibrations, switching between the banks, and so on.

One question was about the VE Learn: once set up the VE Learn creates a BIN ready to be flashed and used. No need to make further changes based on the learning.

RBob.

brokenparts

well, I ran my first series of learns tonight. I followed the instructions and blocked off the egr port and ccp port. Next, I went into the WUD and set the Maxium CTS to 150 in the preferences menu. Then I found the closest provided bin (8) and put it in tunerpro. I un-set the IAT's and that got rid of check engine light on the dash and the ses light in the wud. I did a couple 15min runs, a few shorter ones just idling around playing with rpm ranges. I tried to vary my driving to keep the green thing from turning yellow in the VE Learn table.

After tooling around I think I figured out how to create the bin and the flash it back into one of the banks. I could be full of sh*t but I honestly think it runs better. I did notice that the exhaust did pop on a hard decel in 2nd gear.

Anyway, things are starting to gel together... thanks.

I cant seem how to do the datalog though?

RFmaster

It is very easy

In WUD program, under FILE drop menu you should see Datalog - click on it - a Select File box should open. You can name a file for your next data log session. I use a simple file convention that contains time and date of the test run. For example for normal drives it may be named something like this:
d1310-20080704

For idle data capture use:
i1435-20080704

You can use whatever you like - key is to avoid spaces.
File saved as xxxx.dat on the hard drive. After a test drive you can playback any previously recorded xxxx.dat files in WUD display - sorry there are no emulated engine sounds.

You can also export captured engine data into excel - Display - Analysis - select file to be dumped (I use single header check box). File dump - select file to be dumped into excel importable format. After that sky is the limit.

//RF

brokenparts

Thanks, I didnt think it was that easy.

I've stumbled on the BPC vs.Vac section in the ebl calibration page. Do I need to 0 out that BPC table? I'm assuming that I my pretty much stock set up is not vacuum referenced? I believe the spring in the TB is what regulates the pressure? Or is there vacuum to control the pressure on the spring?


Again, sorry for the newb questions.

RFmaster

Leave it alone unless you have a vacuum referenced fuel pressure regulator. Basically BPC vs. vac section allows to compensate BPC for engine vacuum. As idle vacuum is high fuel pressure is low. At WOT manifold vacuum is low and you need all the fuel in world to feed that beast so as to prevent lean condition. Check documentation file - it should be there.

//RF

brokenparts

thanks, I figured as much but since I am new I like to re-assure myself and ask questions. I'm also getting a Malf code on the the FP relay and dont see anything in the BST colum. Anything I need to address there?

RFmaster

BST is used to indicate amount of positive boost in Turbo Applications. For FP relay malfunction take a look at the left most column, bottom of the display. There should be two voltages - one is should be just above the other ~ 13.8 Vdc at idle. If you have one missing you have bad harness connection on the switched side of the FP contact.

//RF

brokenparts

Lol, that would make sense why I have nothing for BST. Thanks for the info on the FP. You guys are awesome!

titchener

Hi Rbob-

I finally cleared some time to try some serious tuning with my EBL Flash today and after only around 35 miles of ve learning its already running better than the stock calibration.

A few questions for you, on this car ('91 Caprice L03 wagon) there are solenoids controlling the EGR and CCP, when doing VE learns is it good enough just to turn these off with the options flags without actually disconnecting and plugging them?

I'm assuming if the solenoids are working correctly they'll keep them completely closed (and I guess if the leak a little that's what the engine is going to see anyway), is this correct?

One other thing, with the EGR and CCP option flags off during the tuning as expected the EGR led in the WUD never came on, but the CCP led was going on and off, is this expected?

One more question, after you have done a learn session and then stopped it and have re-flashed to an EBL bank, the VE learn display still has some values in it, is it necessary to clear those values before starting a new learn session?

Thanks,

Paul T.

RBob

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For the EGR and CCP, if the hardware is present then the option flags should be enabled. This puts the hardware under ECM control. Otherwise the EGR output is N2O and the CCP output can be the shift light. The shift light can also be set up for a different output.

Then with the option flags enabled, disbale the EGR & CCP activity via the CTS Enable thresholds. Just set them high (150C does the trick).

Most important to physically check the CCP solenoid. It will be either NO or NC. Can use a vacuum pump on the line that goes to the TB, or try to blow through it. If the solenoid allows air to pass when the key is off (key-off, engine-off), then set the option for NO.

If air can't pass, then set the option for NC. I've seen both types of CCP solenoids used on the various GM vehicles.

RBob.

duvall408w

NEED HELP????? I WILL PAY 100.00 BIG ONES FOR SOME ONE TO COME TO ROCKFORD,IL AND SHOW ME AND TUNE MY TRUCK WITH EBL.Truck runs but keep getting iac low idle, surges, running rich. I am total lost on trying to get this thing tuned. Flash,save, bins, confused. Just thought i would ask for help.Thanks Robert

Ronny

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Duval:

Did you read Intro to Tuning part 1 + 2? Tat gives you the basics to start up.

Let us know what you have done to car mechanically and what you have changed in "your" EBL.bin to date.

Have you done your first datalog? What are your BLM's looking like.

Read the stickies above they are helpful.

duvall408w

I havent loaded any bins all i did was plug in computor cant find how to load a ztRting point. My mods are 355,comp computor controlled cam, edlebrock airgap intake ee
dlebrock aluminum heads and a holley 670 tbi.I am not were to start. Cant fi.d a bin to load or even were to look?

duvall408w

I c ur from wisconsin. Were abouts?

Ronny

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Waukesha/Fox Lake....

Ronny

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EBL.bin (s) are on the CD that came with EBL. there are several. bin files...

use the one that is closest to your set up. My EBL came with only one 305 auto. so i had to work off that. Read RBobs Intro to tuning. I think initial start up is listed there.

You will need to down load TunerPro. Have you done that??

duvall408w

Yes ive got tuner pro.i only got 2 cds one was utility cd and the other was for ftlz devices i will look at it when i get off work. Should i have gotten another cd? Fox lake ai.t to far. i just moved here from kenosha. Will get back on bere after work. Got to love 2 nd shift

RBob

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The two CD's is correct. The one has the FTDI USB drivers for the adapter cable. Don't forget to lower the latency setting once they are installed. Instructions on the web site along with being on that CD.

The other CD is the installation for the EBL Flash. It will auto install with the Windows installer. There is a program group created that has entries for the documents (help), along with the utility and WUD. Along with shortcuts placed on the desktop.

Give yourself some time to learn the EBL. There is a lot there and will take some time to get the hang of it. Can read through the EBL tuning thread here, although it is a long thread. Can read sections of it at a time which will help in understanding what is going on.

RBob.

duvall408w

couple more questions. I found the bin files and flashed to my ecu.Question here is what bank should it be set to and what should be selected in the 2 boxes to the left ( update bank ,read bank, ect). When flash is completed i went for a ve learning drive.Question after the ve do i have to save it or does it automaticlly cahnge the ecu? If i have to save can u tell me the process? My truck has some upgrades ,head,cam injectors and so on. I was reading and it says to pick a bin that is close to my set up and read bin into calib editor? Were is that at i cant find it . One more question how do u turn of warn light on dash? I keep getting code 23? How on do i get this mali flag of? It blinks red in first box and the other 2 are red. I put new iac sensor on there and checked ground. Is there some way to turn of or change any thing. Sorry for all the questions. But thanks in advance..... Atleast i got to drive around for 15 min. today lol.

Ronny

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I dont have WU program her office up reasd the "intro to tuning" It explains well. I think all three boxes are checked but cant remember.

After the Learn it creates a new EBL.bin that you can massage a bit in TP, save and not use, or load right into another bank and flash.

What is a warn light? Is this in WU digital dash or your car CE light?

Check your datalog in WU to see what it shows for MALF.

duvall408w

Its the ce light in dash. Plusin malfi the iac is blinking red with to solid reds. So if i do more then one ve learing session it will save them in seperate banks so all i half to do is choose a bank and flash it?

RBob

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For the IAT malfunctions un-check these two option flags:

Malf Flags - 12 thru 24 - Bit 1 - IAT23
Malf Flags - 25 thru 42 - Bit 7 - IAT25

I am assuming that there isn't an IAT present in the vehicle. If there is then it should be checked.

RBob.