JoBy

Ver 0.98b Beta is out now!

Buggfix when calculating TPS Volt and TPS %.

http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60113744/s...dl/winaldl.htm


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Jonas Bylund

JPrevost

This is amazing, where have you been for the past few years!!! You are the MAN.

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fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

Me love you long time... OJ

EDIT: I'll be getting my cable soon, by the weekend I hope, and will let you all know how I do with it.

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JPrevost

Same here. I had to order a bunch of pieces for all my other electronic projects so hopefully I'll have this done by the weekend.

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99Hawk120

My 84. I use Diacom right now, but the refresh rate is SOOOO slow, plus it isn't configurable worth a crap.

I figured it might be something worth playing with if it would be easy, but I don't have the tools to analyze the datastream coming from the ALDL port.

Edit: Dammit, I keep forgetting the signature. Anyhow the car is an 84 Camaro with a CC Qjet / ZZ4 small block.

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Ken73

It'd be the same rate, but you'd be able to "see" all the data coming in on the RAW screen. Diacom IS pretty slow.

Have you looked at Dan's ALDL page? I believe he has all the ALDL data you need.. what is your ECM number?

Ken

JoBy

New day - New version ...

http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60113744/s...dl/winaldl.htm

Ver 0.99a Beta

Added support for 1227808. (VN & VP Holden Commodore)
Removed 'Spark Counts' Tab when not used.

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fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

these versions all work??? If so, WOW!!!!!!

JohnnyIROC-Z

Does anyone know a common Device the N2NNNN Transistor is in? I can't find them at Radioshack. or what is a good Replacement? I think it'll work with the BC547 or the 2N3904 Since they're all General Purpose.



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99Hawk120

I'll have to go check the ECM #. It's a service replacement ECM, but the information here:

http://www.isthq.com/~dan/aldl_28.htm

looks mostly correct.

JoBy

I looked at that data, and I can add that.
It was a few different combinations in there, probably different ECM numbers that has a few bits changed.

one for 1985 - 1986.
one for 1984 - non truck
one for 1984 - truck

It would be nice to have the different ECM numbers for them.



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Ken73

Johnny, it's 2N2222 - I believe a 2N3904 will also work, as well as a BC547.

Ken

Kyle F

I cant wait to see it this weekend!

steve8586iroc

Great job!!! Thanks for all the hard work you's guys put in to this. I can see that a lot less stress need be wasted on tuning and trouble shooting with this program. Did I say great job. No? Great job.

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JoBy

A new version is out again.
1.00a Beta

www.winaldl.webhop.net

* Buggfix for average values in tables
* 1226026 and 1226430 was not correct, so I removed them for now.
* 1225610 and 1225570 was added. They use the same data as 1225550.
* Added support for 1984 - 1986 CLCC ECM's
* Changed the O2 table to show Voltage instead of raw data.
* Inceased number of rows on the raw data table.
* Added Max / Min selection for the sensor data tab.
* Changed extension on saved files to .TXT



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fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

What happened to LARS92RS's cable??? Did it work/is it working??????????????

JoBy

I used that when I added the CLCC support. I suspect that the fist byte is missing in that definition, because a lot of values had a one byte offset compared to the other ECM's. If it is wrong I can change it.



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99Hawk120

Cool! Now I need to get me a cable and try it out...

Chuck!

Hey, I had a lot of trouble downloading the program, the least I could do for you guys is mirror it on another server if you want.

Thanks a lot guys, hopefully I'll be able to figure out this cable thing

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Chuck Kulchar
1991 RS
Open Element w/K&N
3" cat and Force II cat-back

chooch-88formula

Great Job on the program....
I have tried it on my 88 formula 1228063. I think it's the same data stream as the 1227747. Since no one has ever cracked this useless computer we will probably never know for sure ... but it looks darn close.
thanks again.... good job

TEAM GHOSTRIDER

where can i get this and will it work for a 91rs 305tbi?

RS91

I don't know any of this stuff but would like to try it out. I already got the program running on my computer but don't know how the cable looks like or how to make them. Does anyone have picture of it? Thanks...

JoBy

Chuck!
I will talk to Ken about it. We can probably set up a mirror page, or at least for the zip files.

TEAM GHOSTRIDER
I don't know if it works for your ECM but it probably does.
You can download it from here:
www.winaldl.webhop.net

RS91
First you have to locate the ALDL connector on your car. It also sometimes called ALCL.

This is what it looks like on my Corvette:



Then you connect two wires from that ALDL connector.

A is ground.
E id data.


Q1 is a 2N2222 or similar switching transistor.

To connect it to the PC you need one of theese connectors:


The one on the left is the new standard. That is probably what you need. It is a 9 pin D-Sub, and you connect the wires to pin 2 and pin 5.

The older type is a 25 pin D-Sub. If you use that one you connect the wires to pin 3 and 7.

Does that help?

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New scematics ...

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RS91

I'm almost there... Just to make sure what is R1, R2 and 10K?
Getting exited already with this new toy...
Again thanks...

JoBy

Yes, R1 and R2 are both 10k Ohms

RS91

Thanks JoBy . I will try making this as soon as I get all my parts....
again thanks for all the help....

JoBy

I just made myself a new cable, and I wanted to test it before I posted the scematics here. The only differance is that I used 12V from the serial port.

On the 9-pin D-Sub Pin 4 ( DTR ) has 12V when the program reads the port.

I fitted the transistor and both the resistors in the D-Sub housing.




The cable worked great for me.

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JPrevost

Looks good. That's exactly what I had planned. I finally got over to RadioShack but would you believed I picked up a male 9 pin D-sub connector! DUH, now I gotta go back and get the right one. $3 in gas for a $2 part, lol. Oh well, it's $5 well spent considering the price of this software .
I hope to have it up and running later tonight. I'll post in both this thread and the TBI considering it IS for TBI .
If this isn't the hundreth time: Thank you!

edit: Here is a picture of the 8746 aldl port. Notice the serial is in the same spot as the pictures above so just copy his design.

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fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

That cable looks sweet, JOnas...

Mutiny32

Hey, the site is down. Host it on something like geocities or something as a backup. I'd like to try this program, but the link is down. If someone could email it to me, it would be greatly appreciated. cjones180@home.com

thanks.

JoBy

My homepage:

http://drive.to/joby

This is the direct link to the winaldl page:

http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60113744/s...dl/winaldl.htm

And this is the 'easy to remember' one:

www.winaldl.webhop.net

All of them work for me ...


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JPrevost

all the links are working for me, BTW, I just finished making the hardware:




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91 Red My website

Mutiny32

Why can't I see the page!? is @Home on crack?

Scott_92RS

Can you list other transistors that will be compatible with this device? I have some transistors laying around with the following markings:

3904
8856
C945 Q18XC
2907

Will any of these work? If so, I've got everything I need to make this cable. Thanks.

Ken73

Scott, try the 2N3904 - I think it's similar and should work.

Ken

Scott_92RS

Thanks. I'll try it out today! I cant wait to see this thing work!

nsimmons

the 2n3904 will work,im using it with good success

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1984 Z51 Auto, Ported and polished intake, K&N, MSD, Ram air/Cold air intake, no cat, no AIR, no egr, no swirls plates

Inwo

I dunno if this has been asked before but in my 84 Z28 with the CC Qjet and 305H.O.
First of all does it work with my ECM. And second, if it does, could someone hold my hand through construction? I can use a soldering iron but I have NO idea how to read a circuit drawing like the one listed here and the pictures aren't really that much help. What wire is used? Is it bought in the cable with the insulator like it looks like in the picture? What's the part number for the cable? Does someone have a "parts list" that I could just print out and take to radio shack and find the parts?

RS91

JoBy, On your diagram, it does not show your connection to 12V.... Is this correct?

JoBy

This is the original design from Peter Gargano:



It is possible to use the DTR pin on the serial port as 12 Volt source, and that is what I did. That is pin 4.





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Scott_92RS

You will need the following parts to complete this project:

The following stuff is from Radio Shack:

900-0242 - 10k Ohm Resistor ($0.07 each) - This is the individual part number, you cant find it in stores, but you can find a 10 pack in stores for like $1.49, just ask for a 10k ohm resistor.


900-5428 - 2N2222 transistor ($0.29 each) - Another thing supposedly not in stores, you may be able to find it there, though.


276-1513 - Position D-Sub Female connector(Serial cable connector) ($1.49) - In Stores


276-1538 - 9-Position D-Sub housing (Serial cable housing) ($1.49) - In stores

I used speaker wire (not sure of the gauge, its not very beefy). Its handy because both wires are attached already, just make sure you dont use anything too heavy. Tin the ends of the speaker wire so they can be stuck into the ALDL connector, and you'll be in business. You may also want to use some hot glue inside the housing after the circuit it done, or use some shrink wrapping inside the housing along with the supplied strain reliever so the wires dont get pulled out.




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JohnnyIROC-Z

I used the 2 Transistor interface with 2n4401's and it works beautifully. The 1 Transistor interface wouldn't sync up though. I'm not using this software but it should all be the same. get any transistor as long as on the back of the package it says for General purpose switching and amplifying circuits. Stay away from the ones that say saturated switching. Rshack won't have the 2n2222's unless you order them and forget about finding Max23*'s you have to order them as well. get a piece of they're protoboard as well so you can make a nice little circuit. I'm using RCA jacks so the part that connects to the ECM can stay in the car. With Maf you have to run a 10K resistor between the A and B terminals to allow a link up. Good luck. if you have any questions drizzt2k1@home.com is my email.
Peace out.

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JPrevost

BTW, if anybody was interested in the different modes for the ecm.
Normal mode (R>=20K ohm)
ALDL mode (R==10K ohm)
Backup mode (R==3.9 K ohm)
Field Service (R<=500 ohm)

Scott_92RS

I dont get it? What do all the different modes mean?

JPrevost

Don't worry about it. It's just information for eprom burners or programmers . You really don't need the info unless you want to design a switch that can put your car into one of those modes! Personally I hate all the modes except normal . ALDL is crap, it makes the car run ruff and plays with timing, I can't figure why it's even a mode! The backup is exactly what is says. yadda yadda

BTW, I can't get the software to run. I don't know what is wrong. I did everything possible, even had to download and install regsvr32.exe on my win95 laptop. Finally got the batch file to install the *.ocx into my system directory. Restarted laptop, still doesn't work. Are you sure those are the only files we need? I'm thinking we need some developing drivers like how VisualBasic has it's dlls. What gives? This is kind of disapointing that I can't get it to run on EITHER my win2000 machine or win95 and I went beyond to try and fix the win95 machine with the regsvr32.exe!!! HELP
I'll try a few other things but I think there is something else missing. I also think you need to make it clear to everybody running win95 that they might not have the file regsvr32.exe this is needed to 'load' the ocx file or that batch install won't work.
Please help me figure this out. Anybody else having problems getting it to run on their machines?

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91 Red My website

JPrevost

Was this program written in VB5 or VB6?

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91 Red My website

Scott_92RS

Looks to me like it was written in Visual C++. Look at the window icon, it says "MFC", which stands for Microsoft Foundation Classes. Any chance you could post the source to this thing? I know a little bit of C++, but I'm interested in the concept of getting the serial info into the PC and decoding it, any chance you could help me out?

akema

Hi to all and thanks to JoBy for great ALDL-program!!! I did try it with my -89 RS Camaro (has 122 8746 ECM) and it works fine. Everyone seems to take serial data out from "E" point in ALDL-connector but i´m taking serial out from "M" point, is this a modelyear thing or what?
Suggestions:
- it would be nice to have incoming data logged to file so it could be restored and putted to excel to make charts
- ...or maybe a new "page" in program that shows all raw or converted data in graphic chart, all switches too, so you could look into chart and tell in what speed TCC gets locked etc.

Still, thanks for great job and keep on developing :-)

Ake

akema

...reason for using "M" point for serial data is that i have engine electric shematics for 5.0 TBI engine with 122 8746 ECM and it says that "E" and "F" points relate to airbags and "M" is correct point for serial. I´m using more complicated MAX232CPE based converter for serial that i build in summer 2000 but never got it to work with any programs i downed from the net. JoBy´s program is first that worked with me (or my car i should say).

Ake

JoBy

JPrevost,

I have tested the program on windows 98, windows ME and Windows 2000.

All these had the regsvr32.exe file. Windows 95 might be different.

Can you see the program or does nothing happen at all?


Scott_92RS,

It is written in Visual C++ 6.0
(you have mail)

akema
Logging is planned for a future release.

/ Jonas

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